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Why does the federal government need to recognize gay marriage? Why do they need to recognize ANY marriage? What business is it of theirs?
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(09-23-2010 10:03 AM)Rebel Wrote:  Why does the federal government need to recognize gay marriage? Why do they need to recognize ANY marriage? What business is it of theirs?

Absolutely. Marriage is a religious rite, and the government defining marriage in any way, shape, or form violates the first amendment.
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(09-23-2010 10:03 AM)Rebel Wrote:  Why does the federal government need to recognize gay marriage? Why do they need to recognize ANY marriage? What business is it of theirs?

To not defraud homosexual couples of things like retirement benefits which often can only be transferred to the SPOUSE. The government shouldn't be in the marriage business what-so-ever, but homosexual couples need to count in the definition of "spouse".
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(09-23-2010 10:06 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(09-23-2010 10:03 AM)Rebel Wrote:  Why does the federal government need to recognize gay marriage? Why do they need to recognize ANY marriage? What business is it of theirs?

To not defraud homosexual couples of things like retirement benefits which often can only be transferred to the SPOUSE. The government shouldn't be in the marriage business what-so-ever, but homosexual couples need to count in the definition of "spouse".

I can put anyone I want as my beneficiary. I can name anyone I want in my will. What retirement benefits are you referring to? SSI? If so, let me just tell you, gay people have it better being single. When they both retire, each draws 100%. Not so with a married couple.
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(09-23-2010 10:09 AM)Rebel Wrote:  I can put anyone I want as my beneficiary. I can name anyone I want in my will. What retirement benefits are you referring to? SSI? If so, let me just tell you, gay people have it better being single. When they both retire, each draws 100%. Not so with a married couple.

That's you. Being able to name a beneficiary is not always the case. Many simply define the beneficiary as "spouse". Period. Full stop. You can't change it. This is the case, for example, with the California police retirement program.
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(09-23-2010 10:12 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  That's you. Being able to name a beneficiary is not always the case. Many simply define the beneficiary as "spouse". Period. Full stop. You can't change it. This is the case, for example, with the California police retirement program.

Not everyone is married so I doubt "spouse" is the only option. As for the government retirement program, I'll give you that and I have no problem making government recognize a person's right to choose his or her own benefactor. ...but they don't have to do it by naming a "spouse". I'm the one that worked for it; I should be able to pass it on to whomever I choose.
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(09-23-2010 10:17 AM)Rebel Wrote:  Not everyone is married so I doubt "spouse" is the only option. As for the government retirement program, I'll give you that and I have no problem making government recognize a person's right to choose his or her own benefactor. ...but they don't have to do it by naming a "spouse". I'm the one that worked for it; I should be able to pass it on to whomever I choose.

I'd be fine with mandating instead that you get to choose the benefactor on your retirement. Just realize it will require a change in federal policy to stop defrauding people
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(09-23-2010 10:21 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(09-23-2010 10:17 AM)Rebel Wrote:  Not everyone is married so I doubt "spouse" is the only option. As for the government retirement program, I'll give you that and I have no problem making government recognize a person's right to choose his or her own benefactor. ...but they don't have to do it by naming a "spouse". I'm the one that worked for it; I should be able to pass it on to whomever I choose.

I'd be fine with mandating instead that you get to choose the benefactor on your retirement. Just realize it will require a change in federal policy to stop defrauding people

Sweet. Where do I sign up? Peep my "root for". I want the government out. Of almost everything. I also want to be treated as an individual citizen. Not a subject. I'm sure everyone else, including homosexuals, feels the same way.
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(09-23-2010 09:48 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(09-23-2010 09:45 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Well, you had me until you went full GoogleRonPaul.

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Where did I hit that in the list?

For me it was at: Elimination of Federal Reserve.
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(09-23-2010 02:17 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  
(09-23-2010 09:48 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(09-23-2010 09:45 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Well, you had me until you went full GoogleRonPaul.

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Where did I hit that in the list?

For me it was at: Elimination of Federal Reserve.

It needs to be eliminated.
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(09-23-2010 02:17 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  For me it was at: Elimination of Federal Reserve.

If you eliminate the Fed, you eliminate Congress' ability to inflation-finance.... to say nothing of the Fed's buddy-buddy interactions with big banks. Geithner was literally bargaining with his own Fed co-workers when they deliberated TARP. Conflict of interest much??

Federal Reserve Inspector General: I don't know what we're doing with $2 trillion.



A complete history of centralized banking and why it's wrong (4 parts after this one ... gets too conspiracy-ish for me in parts, but the explanation of how the Fed operates is sound)



How's the Fed doing?



Commodity Uberinvester Jim Rogers: The US Dollar is going the way of the Pound Sterling. The US Central Bank will collapse within 20 years.
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The Fed has got to go. But putting the politicians in charge of the money supply is not an answer either. It is a huge problem, I'd like to hear your thoughts.
I don't know what you mean by inflation financed. Currently the FED sells "Treasury Inflation Protected Securities or TIPS".
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(09-23-2010 09:28 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(09-23-2010 08:35 AM)Rebel Wrote:  ...and you guys solution would be?



Small practical measures:
- You're required to repeal two laws before passing one.
- Cut the number of overseas bases in half.
- If you receive more than $1,000,000 in a year from federal, state, and local government combined ... you are required to sign a contract forbidding you from lobbying.
- Pass an executive order immediately repealing all prior executive orders which overstepped existing law.
- Nobody in Congress gets paid until entitlements are either eliminated or fully funded immediately.
- Congress is REQUIRED to have the same medical care its citizens get under ObamaCare.
- Constitutional Amendment to move up the in-office date to January 1. Also amend the replacement of lame duck Congressman such that they have two weeks after certification of election results.
- Restoration of habeas corpus
- All Patriot Act gag orders are immediately lifted
- Allow anybody to cash out and opt out of Social Security, but require that money be put into some sort of savings account.
- Allow anybody to opt out of Medicare, and Medicaid.



Serious reform goals:
- Elimination of ObamaCare
- Elimination of the employer-linked health care system.
- Allow people to buy insurance across state lines.
- Allow people to band together like companies to buy insurance.
- Tort reform
- Elimination of ATF.
- Elimination of Federal Reserve.
- Return to Gold and Silver backed currency.
- Elimination of the Bureau of Engraving and Printing.
- Elimination of the Bureau of Land Management.
- Elimination of all parts of the USDA not dealing with food quality and food safety.
- Elimination of the Dept of Education.
- Elimination of the Dept of HUD.
- Elimination of the Dept of Energy.
- Elimination of the Dept of Homeland Security. Funding that would have gone to DHS for a period of 2 years will still be allocated, but used in partnership with the EFF, ACLU, and other watchdogs to sue and/or investigate and/or immediately terminate employment of all entities within all levels of government which abused Patriot Act provisions to gain undue power over US citizens for non-terrorist related activity.
- Drinking age lowered to 18. If you can take a bullet in a far away country for Uncle Sam, you can drink a ******* beer.
- Legalization of marijuana
- Mandatory parole of drug offender if insufficient space in prison for violent crime offender
- Repeal of the Patriot Act
- Elimination of the Dept of Labor.
- Repeal of the 16th Amendment. Fair Tax instated. Elimination of the Internal Revenue Service.
- Withdrawl from the UN, 3 year ultimatum to leave the country.
- Withdrawl from IMF and WTO. Declaration that so-called "international laws" have no jurisdiction here beyond a few basics (Geneva Conventions, International Waters, Sovereign Water Zones, etc)
- No American bases anywhere a carrier taskforce can be deployed.
- Balanced budget constitutional amendment. Unbalanced budgets can only be passed when Congress is under a Declaration of War AS PASSED BY THE US CONGRESS, not simply imposed by the President
- Constitutional amendment making executive orders which exercise federal power where no law authorizes it, or that are unconstitutional, an impeachable offense with mandatory trial.
- Repeal of the 17th Amendment
- Federal recognition of gay marriage
- Repeal of all tariffs
- Repeal of all import quotas
- Repeal of NAFTA, CAFTA, and all other "free trade" agreements
- Increase legal immigration quotas
- End of Cuban embargo
- Reinstatement of Jeffersonian foreign policy with one exception: states which harbor terrorists are subject to the full force of the US military, without warning, without restriction, on terrorist threats in their nation.


I think that's a good start.

No problem with anything on that list. 04-cheers
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Oh. My. God. For once I agree with most things that Boehner has to say... Where's the Listerine. I need to clean my up, it feels dirty. 03-wink
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(09-23-2010 08:35 AM)Rebel Wrote:  ...and you guys solution would be?

I like GTS's list, but I'd simplify:

Balance the budget (preferably with a constitutional amendment)
-Stop subsidizing the defense of the rest of the world. Close
almost all our overseas bases and bring our troops home. South Korea, Japan, and Europe should pay for their own defense.

-Cut Social Entitlements with phased out reductions.

-Get rid of redundant federal departments and let the states run more things (for example the dept of education....not needed since state's all have their own)

-Secure the Border

-Reform the tax code with a flat tax. Get rid of the IRS tax code and have a flat national sales tax at like 18%.

-Get rid of "free trade" agreements and make real free trade agreements on a country by country basis. Their policies should mirror our own.
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(09-23-2010 09:28 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  - Withdrawl from the UN, 3 year ultimatum to leave the country.

http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/...madinejad/

I wholeheartedly FUKEN agree!!!!!!!!!
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(09-23-2010 04:23 PM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:  Oh. My. God. For once I agree with most things that Boehner has to say... Where's the Listerine. I need to clean my up, it feels dirty. 03-wink

You probably agree with conservatives more than you do liberals. Seems like you and I are on the same page. Militarily and fiscally conservative, socially moderate to liberal.
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(09-23-2010 06:12 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(09-23-2010 04:23 PM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:  Oh. My. God. For once I agree with most things that Boehner has to say... Where's the Listerine. I need to clean my up, it feels dirty. 03-wink

You probably agree with conservatives more than you do liberals. Seems like you and I are on the same page. Militarily and fiscally conservative, socially moderate to liberal.

Oh, did I mention. Eliminate the DoD. Create a REAL DoD. and fun it at an appropriate level. ($50 million for a gay bomb? $2 billion for each Virginia class SSN.... Hey, I can think of a lot of stuff we can do with that kinda money, and that includes securing and DEFENDING our borders. 03-razz )

I told you, I'm a bit wacky with some of my ideas. Stop blowing money like it's water. The DoD gets a nearly blank check, because if you oppose it... your anti-American. 03-wink

Or just call the DoD what it is. the DoW.


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Damn, that's a little out there. ...but I don't disagree with renaming it back to the Department of War. ..and WTF is a gay bomb? Are we supposed to be using that word? Trojan Paul said, in my best whinyassed voice, "That's offensive".
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(09-23-2010 06:23 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Damn, that's a little out there. ...but I don't disagree with renaming it back to the Department of War. ..and WTF is a gay bomb? Are we supposed to be using that word? Trojan Paul said, in my best whinyassed voice, "That's offensive".

Yes. in 1995 the DoD was authorized to research, and if possible, to create a "gay bomb." They were allocated $50 million to start, with increases in funding for success.

The idea was a pheromone bomb, that would make enemy soldiers enfatuated with eachother to the point they couldn't resist and would be making out while our brave non-gay American soldiers captured them in the full throws of bromance bondage.

(I'm not kidding at ALL about it either.)
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