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SumOfAllFears · 09-22-2010 10:43 AM

This letter was published by a Spaniard, in 2004. Comment below 2009.

Sebastián Vivar Rodríguez Wrote:All European Life Died In Auschwitz

Sebastián Vivar Rodríguez - November 21, 2004 |

I walked down the street in Barcelona, and suddenly discovered a terrible truth - Europe died in Auschwitz.

We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims. In Auschwitz we burned a culture, thought, creativity, talent. We destroyed the chosen people, truly chosen, because they produced great and wonderful people who changed the world.

The contribution of this people is felt in all areas of life: science, art, international trade, and above all, as the conscience of the world. These are the people we burned.

And under the pretense of tolerance, and because we wanted to prove to ourselves that we were cured of the disease of racism, we opened our gates to 20 million Muslims, who brought us stupidity and ignorance, religious extremism and lack of tolerance, crime and poverty due to an unwillingness to work and support their families with pride.

They have turned our beautiful Spanish cities into the third world, drowning in filth and crime.

Shut up in the apartments they receive free from the government, they plan the murder and destruction of their naive hosts.

And thus, in our misery, we have exchanged culture for fanatical hatred, creative skill for destructive skill, intelligence for backwardness and superstition.

We have exchanged the pursuit of peace of the Jews of Europe and their talent for hoping for a better future for their children, their determined clinging to life because life is holy, for those who pursue death, for people consumed by the desire for death for themselves and others, for our children and theirs.

What a terrible mistake was made by miserable Europe.

Barry Artiste Wrote:August 29, 2009 at 04:42 am

The Spanish news seem to hit the nail on the head when comparing the eradication of Jews in Europe to what is going on in the Middle East by Muslim Extremists, Taliban etc. Though the World unfairly lumped all Germans in the complicity of killing 6 million jews, one should not be quick to judge all Muslims as Extremists in eradicating the West and Israel! Though a peaceful and workable solution in all this needs to be found, a final solution by the Taliban is certainly not the answer as History repeats itself once more it seems.

Article Here

If you got the guts read on.

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A lot of Americans have become so insulated from reality that they imagine America can suffer defeat without any inconvenience to themselves.

Absolutely No Profiling! Pause a moment, reflect back, and take the following multiple choice test.

These events are actual events from history. They really happened! Do you remember?

HERE'S THE TEST

1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by:

   a. Superman

   b. Jay Leno

   c. Harry Potter

   d. A Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40

2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by:

   a. Olga Corbett

   b. Sitting Bull

   c. Arnold Schwarzenegger

   d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:

a. Lost Norwegians

b. Elvis

c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:

   a. John Dillinger

   b. The King of Sweden

   c. The Boy Scouts

   d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:

   a. A pizza delivery boy

   b. Pee Wee Herman

   c. Geraldo Rivera

   d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:

   a. The Smurfs

   b. Davey Jones

   c. The Little Mermaid

   d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:

   a. Captain Kidd

   b. Charles Lindberg

   c. Mother Teresa

   d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

8. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:

   a. Scooby Doo

   b. The Tooth Fairy

   c. The Sundance Kid

   d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:

   a. Richard Simmons

   b. Grandma Moses

   c. Michael Jordan

   d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:

   a. Mr. Rogers

   b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems

   c. The World Wrestling Federation

   d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by:

   a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd

   b. The Supreme Court of Florida

   c. Mr Bean

   d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

12. In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:

   a. Enron

   b. The Lutheran Church

   c. The NFL

   d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:

   a. Bonnie and Clyde

   b. Captain Kangaroo

   c. Billy Graham

   d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

14. And now we can add: In 2009, 31 people wounded and 13 American Soldiers murdered on base at Fort Hood by a Major that was known as...

   a: You guessed it - A Muslim male extremist between the age of 17 and 40.

No, I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling,do you ? So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile certain people. They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, secret agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winner and former Governor Joe Foss, but leave Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40 alone lest they be guilty of profiling.

Let's send this to as many people as we can so that the Nancy Pelosis, Gloria Aldreds and other dunder-headed attorneys along with Federal Justices that want to thwart common sense, feel ashamed of themselves - if they have any such sense.

We can not allow the socialist transformation being brought on by the current administration to continue. Look at what it has done to Europe. We all must stand together before it's too late and everything America stands for is lost.

The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000; that is ONE BILLION TWO HUNDRED MILLION or 20% of the world's population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:

1988 - Najib Mahfooz

Peace:

1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat

1990 - Elias James Corey

1994 - Yaser Arafat:

1999 - Ahmed Zewai

Economics:

(zero)

Physics:

(zero)

Medicine:

1960 - Peter Brian Medawar

1998 - Ferid Mourad

TOTAL: 7 SEVEN

The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000; that is FOURTEEN MILLION or about 0.02% of the world's population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:

1910 - Paul Heyse

1927 - Henri Bergson

1958 - Boris Pasternak

1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon

1966 - Nelly Sachs

1976 - Saul Bellow

1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer

1981 - Elias Canetti

1987 - Joseph Brodsky

1991 - Nadine Gordimer World

Peace:

1911 - Alfred Fried

1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser

1968 - Rene Cassin

1973 - Henry Kissinger

1978 - Menachem Begin

1986 - Elie Wiesel

1994 - Shimon Peres

1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

Physics:

1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer

1906 - Henri Moissan

1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson

1908 - Gabriel Lippmann

1910 - Otto Wallach

1915 - Richard Willstaetter

1918 - Fritz Haber

1921 - Albert Einstein

1922 - Niels Bohr

1925 - James Franck

1925 - Gustav Hertz

1943 - Gustav Stern

1943 - George Charles de Hevesy

1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi

1952 - Felix Bloch

1954 - Max Born

1958 - Igor Tamm

1959 - Emilio Segre

1960 - Donald A. Glaser

1961 - Robert Hofstadter

1961 - Melvin Calvin

1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau

1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz

1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman

1965 - Julian Schwinger

1969 - Murray Gell-Mann

1971 - Dennis Gabor

1972 - William Howard Stein

1973 - Brian David Josephson

1975 - Benjamin Mottleson

1976 - Burton Richter

1977 - Ilya Prigogine

1978 - Arno Allan Penzias

1978 - Peter L Kapitza

1979 - Stephen Weinberg

1979 - Sheldon Glashow

1979 - Herbert Charles Brown

1980 - Paul Berg

1980 - Walter Gilbert

1981 - Roald Hoffmann

1982 - Aaron Klug

1985 - Albert A. Hauptman

1985 - Jerome Karle

1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach

1988 - Robert Huber

1988 - Leon Lederman

1988 - Melvin Schwartz

1988 - Jack Steinberger

1989 - Sidney Altman

1990 - Jerome Friedman

1992 - Rudolph Marcus

1995 - Martin Perl

2000 - Alan J. Heeger

Economics:

1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson

1971 - Simon Kuznets

1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow

1975 - Leonid Kantorovich

1976 - Milton Friedman

1978 - Herbert A. Simon

1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein

1985 - Franco Modigliani

1987 - Robert M. Solow

1990 - Harry Markowitz

1990 - Merton Miller

1992 - Gary Becker

1993 - Robert Fogel

Medicine:

1908 - Elie Metchnikoff

1908 - Paul Erlich

1914 - Robert Barany

1922 - Otto Meyerhof

1930 - Karl Landsteiner

1931 - Otto Warburg

1936 - Otto Loewi

1944 - Joseph Erlanger

1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser

1945 - Ernst Boris Chain

1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller

1950 - Tadeus Reichstein

1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman

1953 - Hans Krebs

1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann

1958 - Joshua Lederberg

1959 - Arthur Kornberg

1964 - Konrad Bloch

1965 - Francois Jacob

1965 - Andre Lwoff

1967 - George Wald

1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg

1969 - Salvador Luria

1970 - Julius Axelrod

1970 - Sir Bernard Katz

1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman

1975 - Howard Martin Temin

1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg

1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow

1978 - Daniel Nathans

1980 - Baruj Benacerraf

1984 - Cesar Milstein

1985 - Michael Stuart Brown

1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein

1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]

1988 - Gertrude Elion

1989 - Harold Varmus

1991 - Erwin Neher

1991 - Bert Sakmann

1993 - Richard J. Roberts

1993 - Phillip Sharp

1994 - Alfred Gilman

1995 - Edward B. Lewis

1996- Lu RoseIacovino

TOTAL: 129!

The Jews are NOT promoting brain washing children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non Muslims. The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics, or blow themselves up in German restaurants. There is NOT one single Jew who has destroyed a church. There is NOT a single Jew who protests by killing people.

The Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels.

Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.

Muslims must ask 'what can they do for humankind' before they demand that humankind respects them.

Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more culpability on Israel's part, the following two

sentences really say it all:

'If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel." Benjamin Netanyahu

General Eisenhower Warned Us It is a matter of history that when the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, General Dwight Eisenhower, found the victims of the death camps he ordered all possible photographs to be taken, and for the German people from surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps and even made to bury the dead.

He did this because he said in words to this effect:

'Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses - because somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened'

Recently, the UK debated whether to remove The Holocaust from its school curriculum because it 'offends' the Muslim population which claims it never occurred. It is not removed as yet. However, this is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is giving into it.

It is now more than 60 years after the Second World War in Europe ended. This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the, 6 million Jews, 20 million Russians, 10 million Christians, and 1,900 Catholic priests who were 'murdered, raped, burned, starved, beaten, experimented on and humiliated' while the German people looked the other way.

Now, more than ever, with Iran, among others, claiming the Holocaust to be 'a myth,' it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets.

This e-mail is intended to reach 400 million people. Be a link in the memorial chain and help distribute this around the world.

How many years will it be before the attack on the World Trade Center 'NEVER HAPPENED' because it offends some Muslim in the United States ?

DrTorch · 09-22-2010 11:14 AM

Quote:1999 - Ahmed Zewai

Economics:
(zero)

Physics:
(zero)

I'm sorry, but Ahmed Zewail won the 1999 Nobel Prize for Chemistry.

I'm a bit skeptical that all modern history started w/ WWII. Of course the Holocaust was terrible, but that wasn't the start of problems.

France lost their good men in WWI. They haven't done jack since. And their Nobel Laureates, like Camus and Sarte, are jokes. Derrida has taken the joke to what I'd hope is the end point.

Even so, that wasn't the start of problems. Freud's influence has been profound, and if there was ever theories that have been empirically demonstrated to be flawed, his would be it. Yet he still gets lavish attention and praise. His ideas persist, not so much in psychology, but in the popular arts where their influence has been profoundly destructive. BTW, Freud was Jewish.

But the problems didn't start there either. I can keep going back. Popes, emporers, etc. There are plenty of places for blame.

So I think this is one more European simpleton, who subtlely, perhaps inadvertently, is trying to make a case for his deeply rooted Utopianism, by citing that one flaw that would have allowed us to get there.

SumOfAllFears · 09-22-2010 11:43 AM

(09-22-2010 11:14 AM)DrTorch Wrote:
Quote:1999 - Ahmed Zewai

Economics:
(zero)

Physics:
(zero)

I'm sorry, but Ahmed Zewail won the 1999 Nobel Prize for Chemistry.

I'm a bit skeptical that all modern history started w/ WWII. Of course the Holocaust was terrible, but that wasn't the start of problems.

France lost their good men in WWI. They haven't done jack since. And their Nobel Laureates, like Camus and Sarte, are jokes. Derrida has taken the joke to what I'd hope is the end point.

Even so, that wasn't the start of problems. Freud's influence has been profound, and if there was ever theories that have been empirically demonstrated to be flawed, his would be it. Yet he still gets lavish attention and praise. His ideas persist, not so much in psychology, but in the popular arts where their influence has been profoundly destructive. BTW, Freud was Jewish.

But the problems didn't start there either. I can keep going back. Popes, emporers, etc. There are plenty of places for blame.

So I think this is one more European simpleton, who subtlely, perhaps inadvertently, is trying to make a case for his deeply rooted Utopianism, by citing that one flaw that would have allowed us to get there.

In the bigger, larger sense, the total numbers, 14 million to 1.6 billion is key. As for Zewail, I did not check each one, and the original source is unknown. Yes the one flaw. And here we are.

Lord Stanley · 09-22-2010 12:49 PM

Interesting. Really.

Maybe the answer to the "missing Jewish influence" in encouraging a Jewish diaspora out of Israel, so that the historically positive influence of Judaism can again contribute to the world.

I45owl · 09-22-2010 02:44 PM

(09-22-2010 12:49 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote: Interesting. Really.

Maybe the answer to the "missing Jewish influence" in encouraging a Jewish diaspora out of Israel, so that the historically positive influence of Judaism can again contribute to the world.

It's not at all clear what you mean, but it seems that you imply that Israeli Jews are not contributing to the world.

Lord Stanley · 09-22-2010 03:19 PM

(09-22-2010 02:44 PM)I45owl Wrote:
(09-22-2010 12:49 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote: Interesting. Really.

Maybe the answer to the "missing Jewish influence" in encouraging a Jewish diaspora out of Israel, so that the historically positive influence of Judaism can again contribute to the world.

It's not at all clear what you mean, but it seems that you imply that Israeli Jews are not contributing to the world.

You and I go round and round on this, don't we - I write something about how the Jewish people would be better off outside of the Middle East so that they escape their daily terror and confined borders, and you read my post to say something negative about Jewry.....

Let me be clear, I have been, am now, and always will be a supporter of the Jewish state and the Jewish people. My suggestions are always along the line of what other ideas are out there that could support the further flourishing of the Jewish people. The Israeli state right now is quite successful, obviously. How much more successful could it be without the current status quo?

So, my post suggests that in reference to the authors claim that Europe is less well off because of the Holocaust, because Europe lost generations of business, science and artistic leaders, that perhaps, (and just as a throwaway idea on an obscure message board,) that a Jewish diaspora across the world would further Jewry specifically, and the world in general.

I understand well enough that for the last 70 years the Jewish state his literally collected Jews via airplane to bring them back to Israel, so that seeding the world with Jews, especially with such global hatred or ambivelance towards Jewry, is a bit hair-brained.

But again, what better things could come of the combined might of the Jewish faith and intelligencia if they were not building safe rooms, but building labs, companies and museums? My thoughts have been for a long time, to support a voluntary resettlement (loaded word, I know) of Jews into friendly countries across the globe. Much like the Mormons have bloomed in the deserts of Utah and the near West, what would say the Alaskan Panhandle look like if it was a landing place for Jews who left Israel?

Seriously, don't misunderstand me on this. I support Jewry and I am just throwing out ideas.

09-22-2010 03:20 PM

My wife likes Jewry. She loves David Yurman's stuff.

SumOfAllFears · 09-22-2010 03:28 PM

I'm not sure I understand. When you talk of "The Diaspora", it is the forced expulsion of Israelites from what is now the states of Israel, Jordan, and Lebanon.

Lord Stanley · 09-22-2010 03:36 PM

(09-22-2010 03:28 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote: I'm not sure I understand. When you talk of "The Diaspora", it is the forced expulsion of Israelites from what is now the states of Israel, Jordan, and Lebanon.

I'm using it in the lower case "d" way

Quote:A diaspora (in Greek, διασπορά – "a scattering [of seeds]") is the movement or migration of a group of people, such as those sharing a national and/or ethnic identity, away from an established or ancestral homeland. When capitalized, the Diaspora refers to the exile of the Jewish people and Jews living outside ancient or modern day Israel.

SumOfAllFears · 09-22-2010 05:08 PM

(09-22-2010 03:36 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:
(09-22-2010 03:28 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote: I'm not sure I understand. When you talk of "The Diaspora", it is the forced expulsion of Israelites from what is now the states of Israel, Jordan, and Lebanon.

I'm using it in the lower case "d" way

Quote:A diaspora (in Greek, διασπορά – "a scattering [of seeds]") is the movement or migration of a group of people, such as those sharing a national and/or ethnic identity, away from an established or ancestral homeland. When capitalized, the Diaspora refers to the exile of the Jewish people and Jews living outside ancient or modern day Israel.

I did not know there was a difference.

CountryRedHawk · 09-22-2010 05:38 PM

(09-22-2010 05:08 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:
(09-22-2010 03:36 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:
(09-22-2010 03:28 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote: I'm not sure I understand. When you talk of "The Diaspora", it is the forced expulsion of Israelites from what is now the states of Israel, Jordan, and Lebanon.

I'm using it in the lower case "d" way

Quote:A diaspora (in Greek, διασπορά – "a scattering [of seeds]") is the movement or migration of a group of people, such as those sharing a national and/or ethnic identity, away from an established or ancestral homeland. When capitalized, the Diaspora refers to the exile of the Jewish people and Jews living outside ancient or modern day Israel.

I did not know there was a difference.

Me either. Learn something new everyday. :)

I'd also venture to say that while Islam brought us many good things, it has it's drawbacks... and it's not everyone. It only takes one bad apple to spoil the batch. And that sucks.

09-22-2010 07:55 PM

(09-22-2010 05:38 PM)CountryRedHawk Wrote: I'd also venture to say that while Islam brought us many good things, it has it's drawbacks... and it's not everyone. It only takes one bad apple to spoil the batch. And that sucks.

Like what? Keep in mind, Islam has only been around since about 600AD. ...so, no "Algebra" defense for you to use.

CountryRedHawk · 09-22-2010 08:01 PM

(09-22-2010 07:55 PM)Rebel Wrote:
(09-22-2010 05:38 PM)CountryRedHawk Wrote: I'd also venture to say that while Islam brought us many good things, it has it's drawbacks... and it's not everyone. It only takes one bad apple to spoil the batch. And that sucks.

Like what? Keep in mind, Islam has only been around since about 600AD. ...so, no "Algebra" defense for you to use.

Darn, there goes a good one. How does modern medicine, and universities sound? They certainly help with that. 03-wink

I'm not claiming that Islamists haven't done bad things I promise.

I'm simply saying that Judaism and Christianity aren't the only religions to do good... but as you said, Islam is about 600-700 years behind Christianity in maturity. Wouldn't that put them at near the Crusades in maturity level, year wise comparison with Christianity? 05-stirthepot

Is now

for that comment....

I45owl · 09-22-2010 09:34 PM

(09-22-2010 03:19 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:
(09-22-2010 02:44 PM)I45owl Wrote:
(09-22-2010 12:49 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote: Interesting. Really.

Maybe the answer to the "missing Jewish influence" in encouraging a Jewish diaspora out of Israel, so that the historically positive influence of Judaism can again contribute to the world.

It's not at all clear what you mean, but it seems that you imply that Israeli Jews are not contributing to the world.

You and I go round and round on this, don't we - I write something about how the Jewish people would be better off outside of the Middle East so that they escape their daily terror and confined borders, and you read my post to say something negative about Jewry.....

The statement I responded to here has pretty broad implications and you almost explicitly say that it is only if Jews move out of Israel that they can make a positive contribution to Western society, which I think both drastically understates their contribution from Israel and disregards the fact that there are as many Jews in New York as there are in Israel. If being in diaspora is a prerequisite, then the fact that only (approximately) 1/3 of the world's Jews are in Israel should satisfy that concern. I think in this case, my objection to your post is more than just trivial - I think your original post is badly misstated or just out of place.

All of this conversation disregards the point of the cut-and-pasted article, which is essentially an anti-Muslim screed that proposes the false dichotomy of an "exchange" of Jews for Muslims. Historically, those migrations coincide, but there is only a very weak case that they are related.

09-23-2010 07:16 AM

(09-22-2010 08:01 PM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:
(09-22-2010 07:55 PM)Rebel Wrote:
(09-22-2010 05:38 PM)CountryRedHawk Wrote: I'd also venture to say that while Islam brought us many good things, it has it's drawbacks... and it's not everyone. It only takes one bad apple to spoil the batch. And that sucks.

Like what? Keep in mind, Islam has only been around since about 600AD. ...so, no "Algebra" defense for you to use.

Darn, there goes a good one. How does modern medicine, and universities sound? They certainly help with that. I'm not claiming that Islamists haven't done bad things I promise.

I'm simply saying that Judaism and Christianity aren't the only religions to do good... but as you said, Islam is about 600-700 years behind Christianity in maturity. Wouldn't that put them at near the Crusades in maturity level, year wise comparison with Christianity?

Do you honestly buy the notion that the Crusades were evil Christians attacking peaceful Muslims?

Please make that claim. Please.

DrTorch · 09-23-2010 08:38 AM

(09-22-2010 08:01 PM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:
(09-22-2010 07:55 PM)Rebel Wrote:
(09-22-2010 05:38 PM)CountryRedHawk Wrote: I'd also venture to say that while Islam brought us many good things, it has it's drawbacks... and it's not everyone. It only takes one bad apple to spoil the batch. And that sucks.

Like what? Keep in mind, Islam has only been around since about 600AD. ...so, no "Algebra" defense for you to use.

Darn, there goes a good one. How does modern medicine, and universities sound? They certainly help with that. I'm not claiming that Islamists haven't done bad things I promise.

I'm simply saying that Judaism and Christianity aren't the only religions to do good... but as you said, Islam is about 600-700 years behind Christianity in maturity. Wouldn't that put them at near the Crusades in maturity level, year wise comparison with Christianity?

So what was wrong w/ the Crusades?

CountryRedHawk · 09-23-2010 10:16 AM

(09-23-2010 08:38 AM)DrTorch Wrote:
(09-22-2010 08:01 PM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:
(09-22-2010 07:55 PM)Rebel Wrote:
(09-22-2010 05:38 PM)CountryRedHawk Wrote: I'd also venture to say that while Islam brought us many good things, it has it's drawbacks... and it's not everyone. It only takes one bad apple to spoil the batch. And that sucks.

Like what? Keep in mind, Islam has only been around since about 600AD. ...so, no "Algebra" defense for you to use.

Darn, there goes a good one. How does modern medicine, and universities sound? They certainly help with that. I'm not claiming that Islamists haven't done bad things I promise.

I'm simply saying that Judaism and Christianity aren't the only religions to do good... but as you said, Islam is about 600-700 years behind Christianity in maturity. Wouldn't that put them at near the Crusades in maturity level, year wise comparison with Christianity?

So what was wrong w/ the Crusades?

I never said there was.... just saying at age of Islam now, in comparison to Christianity, is just a violent in nature.... Plus at that time Christians were going after Jews as well. I.E. the Inquisition.

Hell, Christianity got Tyre and Lebanon out of it right? Wait, crap... we let that one slip.... only Christian majority country in the Middle East... yea, WTF Lebanon?

09-23-2010 10:57 AM

The Crusades were specifically DUE to the spreading of Islam and the violence perpetrated on Christian pilgrims BY them. Christians and Jews had been in that area for 900 and 3900 years respectively. The Christians didn't go down there to take over Muslim land.

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