(09-22-2010 09:29 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I don't think you are interested in having an intelligent dialogue. You and RobertN deserve each other. My point about conservatives blew right over your head. I really don't care for this. Whenever you say. He is a liberal and all liberals do _________. It's the lowest form of political discourse.

No, you were proven wrong and you can't admit it. Care to show me, anyone, how expansive government is NOT part of the liberal AND Democratic platform? It's in the platform of every damn Dem candidate that runs so why are you being so obtuse? Are you that daft?

BTW, intelligent dialogue?

Have you read your damn responses as of late? No worries, I'm sure you'll be along later telling us we all need to stop name-calling and that you always try to remain above it. Yeah, my ass. You're run in a cycle. A cycle that everyone on this board sees.

isn't big government basically one of the answers to the question, "what does the liberal ideology represent fiscally?"

(09-21-2010 04:56 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 04:14 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  All conservatives are racist homophobics............ Can people see how stupid it sounds when it's reversed? It's the lowest form of political discourse.

now you're just being ridiculous. Of course nothing is absolute. This is actually a lot like an argument i had with my grandpa. When someone "All asians do this," or "all italians do this," they don't literally mean all, that's impossible. We just mean most. When reb says all liberals want increased government, it's generally a true statement, but naturally there will be some outliers. Comparing what he said to your asinine statement above just doesn't make any sense. If the large majority of conservatives were racist homophobes i'd have no problem with your statement. However, that's not even close to a majority of conservatives.

So, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell aren't racist homophobes? And George Bush didn't bash the gay community(who love this country just as much, or MORE, than anyone else) for political gain? I just want my rights, I want to be free to hold my partner's hand in public without someone taking a shot at me or him. It's not a "liberal" doing it. It's CONSERVATIVES. They want to bring back the sodomy laws, that would see me in jail for upwards of 30 years in someplaces for being who GOD created me to be. So, please. Don't even THINK the majority of neo-con Americans aren't racist and homophobic. They are. The National GOP platform says it. It's Conservatives and the Republicans calling the President and his family insensitive and racist names. I actually heard a young white girl in Savannah call Sasha and Malia Obama pick-a-ninnies. These are KIDS. Leave them out of your political debates. And it's Republicans like John McCain trashing the gay community because we want to openly serve in the military, or, well, live like any breeder couple. It's a fact.

(Now, I also think the Gov't should be protecting the gay community more... I mean, we are rare and hard to find! )

(09-22-2010 10:03 AM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:  
So, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell aren't racist homophobes?

How are they racists? As for homophobia, I doubt they're "scared" of gays.

Quote:And George Bush didn't bash the gay community(who love this country just as much, or MORE, than anyone else) for political gain?

Link? I certainly don't remember GW bashing gays. It would have been on the front page of every anti-Bush medium out there.

Quote:I just want my rights, I want to be free to hold my partner's hand in public without someone taking a shot at me or him.

Where is the right to be free from ridicule in the Constitution? Everyone is ridiculed over something. Maybe you should grow a pair. Well, unless you're the female in the relationship. Don't know how that works.

Quote:It's not a "liberal" doing it. It's CONSERVATIVES.

Oh, you mean like the conservatives that voted against gay marriage in California? Oh, that's right, they're not the majority. Hmm, guess there were one or two or a million "liberals" voting against it as well. Oh well, life sucks.

Quote:They want to bring back the sodomy laws, that would see me in jail for upwards of 30 years in someplaces for being who GOD created me to be.

Who is "they"? Besides, it would never pass as it's unconstitutional.

Quote:So, please. Don't even THINK the majority of neo-con Americans aren't racist and homophobic. They are.

Oh really? How so? Do you know what a "neo-con" is? They don't exactly care too much about social issues.

Quote:The National GOP platform says it.

Says what?

Quote:It's Conservatives and the Republicans calling the President and his family insensitive and racist names.

When? Where? What racist names? Again, grow a pair and stop being a pu55y. Bush was called every name in the book but a son of God. ...but just now you idiots on the left want civility in politics and when you don't see it, it's racist? Puhf'nleeze.

Quote:I actually heard a young white girl in Savannah call Sasha and Malia Obama pick-a-ninnies. These are KIDS. Leave them out of your political debates.

Sure you did, Nancy. Sure you did.

Quote:And it's Republicans like John McCain trashing the gay community because we want to openly serve in the military, or, well, live like any breeder couple. It's a fact.

How is opposing open service due to logistics and moral "trashing" the gay community? It would create a logistical nightmare and would drastically decrease moral. Those are the facts....presently. Not saying I'm opposed, those are just the present facts.

BTW, "breeder". Nice. Label the people living the natural order with a derogatory term.

Quote:(Now, I also think the Gov't should be protecting the gay community more... I mean, we are rare and hard to find! )

Protecting you from what? I'm friends with several gay people. They had a gay pride parade in Augusta, Ga. That's in the middle of the Bible Belt. Were we supposed to see a bunch of violence? Beer bottles over heads? Or is this a figment of your feminized imagination? Dude, stop being a little whiny *****.

BTW, if most gays are as whiny as you, I don't know if I want them serving in the military. The ones I know would laugh at how weak you are. ...and one is a US Navy and Desert Storm vet, another a USAF vet (Those two have been together for 20+ years) and another is a retired USAF Master Sergeant.

(09-22-2010 10:03 AM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 04:56 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 04:14 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  All conservatives are racist homophobics............ Can people see how stupid it sounds when it's reversed? It's the lowest form of political discourse.

now you're just being ridiculous. Of course nothing is absolute. This is actually a lot like an argument i had with my grandpa. When someone "All asians do this," or "all italians do this," they don't literally mean all, that's impossible. We just mean most. When reb says all liberals want increased government, it's generally a true statement, but naturally there will be some outliers. Comparing what he said to your asinine statement above just doesn't make any sense. If the large majority of conservatives were racist homophobes i'd have no problem with your statement. However, that's not even close to a majority of conservatives.

So, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell aren't racist homophobes? And George Bush didn't bash the gay community(who love this country just as much, or MORE, than anyone else) for political gain? I just want my rights, I want to be free to hold my partner's hand in public without someone taking a shot at me or him. It's not a "liberal" doing it. It's CONSERVATIVES. They want to bring back the sodomy laws, that would see me in jail for upwards of 30 years in someplaces for being who GOD created me to be. So, please. Don't even THINK the majority of neo-con Americans aren't racist and homophobic. They are. The National GOP platform says it. It's Conservatives and the Republicans calling the President and his family insensitive and racist names. I actually heard a young white girl in Savannah call Sasha and Malia Obama pick-a-ninnies. These are KIDS. Leave them out of your political debates. And it's Republicans like John McCain trashing the gay community because we want to openly serve in the military, or, well, live like any breeder couple. It's a fact.

(Now, I also think the Gov't should be protecting the gay community more... I mean, we are rare and hard to find! )

This is just an ignorant diatribe. How can you expect to be taken seriously, really?

(09-22-2010 10:03 AM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 04:56 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 04:14 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  All conservatives are racist homophobics............ Can people see how stupid it sounds when it's reversed? It's the lowest form of political discourse.

now you're just being ridiculous. Of course nothing is absolute. This is actually a lot like an argument i had with my grandpa. When someone "All asians do this," or "all italians do this," they don't literally mean all, that's impossible. We just mean most. When reb says all liberals want increased government, it's generally a true statement, but naturally there will be some outliers. Comparing what he said to your asinine statement above just doesn't make any sense. If the large majority of conservatives were racist homophobes i'd have no problem with your statement. However, that's not even close to a majority of conservatives.

So, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell aren't racist homophobes?

No. But regardless, it would be nice to see people actually stay rational for a few posts.

Quote:And George Bush didn't bash the gay community(who love this country just as much, or MORE, than anyone else) for political gain?

Nah, no emotional rhetoric here.

(09-22-2010 10:23 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(09-22-2010 10:03 AM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 04:56 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 04:14 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  All conservatives are racist homophobics............ Can people see how stupid it sounds when it's reversed? It's the lowest form of political discourse.

now you're just being ridiculous. Of course nothing is absolute. This is actually a lot like an argument i had with my grandpa. When someone "All asians do this," or "all italians do this," they don't literally mean all, that's impossible. We just mean most. When reb says all liberals want increased government, it's generally a true statement, but naturally there will be some outliers. Comparing what he said to your asinine statement above just doesn't make any sense. If the large majority of conservatives were racist homophobes i'd have no problem with your statement. However, that's not even close to a majority of conservatives.

So, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell aren't racist homophobes? And George Bush didn't bash the gay community(who love this country just as much, or MORE, than anyone else) for political gain? I just want my rights, I want to be free to hold my partner's hand in public without someone taking a shot at me or him. It's not a "liberal" doing it. It's CONSERVATIVES. They want to bring back the sodomy laws, that would see me in jail for upwards of 30 years in someplaces for being who GOD created me to be. So, please. Don't even THINK the majority of neo-con Americans aren't racist and homophobic. They are. The National GOP platform says it. It's Conservatives and the Republicans calling the President and his family insensitive and racist names. I actually heard a young white girl in Savannah call Sasha and Malia Obama pick-a-ninnies. These are KIDS. Leave them out of your political debates. And it's Republicans like John McCain trashing the gay community because we want to openly serve in the military, or, well, live like any breeder couple. It's a fact.

(Now, I also think the Gov't should be protecting the gay community more... I mean, we are rare and hard to find! )

This is just an ignorant diatribe. How can you expect to be taken seriously, really?

why do you even bother wasting your time responding to this drivel?

You're run in a cycle.


Yes, I have from time to time, wrestled in the mud. It isn't a place I enjoy. I'm glad you've seen my attempts to elevate the discussion. I may run in cycles.

You, however, run in a straight line. The gutter. You are an equavilent of RobertN on the right.

You don't elevate a damn thing. You start getting your ass kicked in a debate and then start whining about keeping it civil.

because we have to get beyond screaming at each other and realize we have complex problems that do not lend themselves to simple concrete answers. You are a black and white guy in a shaded world of grey. Nothing wrong with that, I just think in more evolved societies they wouldn't trust you with scissors much less having you influence the vote. You were the reason I mentioned the IQ test to vote. Anyone who thinks dinosaurs are what we fill our gas tanks up with................................... Well............................. that's all that needs to be said.

(09-22-2010 11:27 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Anyone who thinks dinosaurs are what we fill our gas tanks up with................................... Well............................. that's all that needs to be said.

Oh, so oil isn't partly made from decomposed animals?

I agree, an IQ test would work wonders at reducing the number of liberals voting.

BTW, you don't give a damn about insults being thrown around. Only when someone gets the better of you do you decide to ***** up and whine. Otherwise, you're right in the middle of it.

Wha Wha Wha. Go find your pacifier, you little girl.

lol...............

(09-22-2010 11:27 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  because we have to get beyond screaming at each other and realize we have complex problems that do not lend themselves to simple concrete answers.

Actually, I think we have problems where people don't even agree what the answers look like, let alone how to get there.

Quote: You are a black and white guy in a shaded world of grey. Nothing wrong with that, I just think in more evolved societies

Mach, you embarass yourself when you pretend to be part of the intellgentsia.

Riiigggghhhhhtttttttt.................

error. sorry.

I think we have problems where people don't even agree what the answers look like


You've graduated to answers........... we can't even agree if there is a problem.

(09-22-2010 11:57 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I think we have problems where people don't even agree what the answers look like


You've graduated to answers........... we can't even agree if there is a problem.

True enough.