(09-10-2010 11:30 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(09-10-2010 07:47 PM)KnightChris Wrote:  As an aside... doesn't Rutgers kind of (partially) lay claim to the Philly market? I think the recent Comcast deal confirms that. I can't imagine Rutgers would be terribly happy to have a BCS team actually located in the market.

Our administration apparently voted for it, but I know us fans are very pissed. And one of the reasons we're pissed is yet another school to recruit against in the Eastern PA/MD/NJ/DE/SE NY recruiting markets. Another reason is yes we do lay claim in part to the Philly market thanks to the South Jersey region. Nova is a bad fit. ECU is a much better fit.

er, Nova has been a "fit" in the Big East for 29 years, a lot longer than has ECU, not to mention Rutgers.

(09-11-2010 06:48 AM)frogman Wrote:  Nova is in the smack center of Philly

No, they're smack in the center of the suburbs.

(09-11-2010 03:42 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(09-11-2010 06:48 AM)frogman Wrote:  Nova is in the smack center of Philly

No, they're smack in the center of the suburbs.

For tv purposes it doesn't matter. They are smack in the middle of the Philadelphia tv market-not broken up by suburbs, city proper, but the entire metro area of which they are part.

Well if the BE is going in this direction to go after Nova, GT, and BC then I would rather UC, USF, UL leave with an auto bid and join with TCU, Houston, ECU, UCF, Memphis and maybe BYU.

(09-11-2010 04:57 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Well if the BE is going in this direction to go after Nova, GT, and BC then I would rather UC, USF, UL leave with an auto bid and join with TCU, Houston, ECU, UCF, Memphis and maybe BYU.

Bye. Doubt the intelligent administrators at those Big East programs feel the same way though--the commissioner didn't decide to add Villanova on his own after all.

(09-11-2010 04:57 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Well if the BE is going in this direction to go after Nova, GT, and BC then I would rather UC, USF, UL leave with an auto bid and join with TCU, Houston, ECU, UCF, Memphis and maybe BYU.

LOL, which auto bid do you think you guys will leave with?

(09-11-2010 04:57 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Well if the BE is going in this direction to go after Nova, GT, and BC then I would rather UC, USF, UL leave with an auto bid and join with TCU, Houston, ECU, UCF, Memphis and maybe BYU.

LOL...if your worried about football quality, I promise you Nova has had more football talent them memphis the last three years even with the reduced scholis.

WVU played Nova a couple years back and I thought they easily had more talent then Syracsue and UL that year. Yeah, there are concerns about where there going to play and the fan base etc, but they will find players. I am confident of that.

Jackson

I'm concerned about attendance numbers and the continued disrespect by the media compared to other conferences.

(09-11-2010 08:00 PM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  

(09-11-2010 04:57 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Well if the BE is going in this direction to go after Nova, GT, and BC then I would rather UC, USF, UL leave with an auto bid and join with TCU, Houston, ECU, UCF, Memphis and maybe BYU.

LOL...if your worried about football quality, I promise you Nova has had more football talent them memphis the last three years even with the reduced scholis.

WVU played Nova a couple years back and I thought they easily had more talent then Syracsue and UL that year. Yeah, there are concerns about where there going to play and the fan base etc, but they will find players. I am confident of that.

Jackson

What makes you say this? WV beat Nova at Milan Puskar 48-21 that year. WV beat SU 17-6 that year at Milan Puskar. SU had a chance to win that game with about 3 minutes left were it not for Devines 80 yard run in the final minutes. I dont see how one can say that Nova easily had more talent that year than SU. Louisville also played WV closer than Nova that year, although the game was at Louisville.

(09-10-2010 06:30 PM)frogman Wrote:  

(09-10-2010 05:03 PM)TempleSquirrel Wrote:  

(09-10-2010 04:33 PM)chrisRU Wrote:  

(09-10-2010 10:33 AM)Sir Galahad Wrote:  They had 4,000 people at their 1-aa playoff game, can they really generate the minimum necessary to even be Div 1?

I don't think Villanova delivers Philly. Neither will Temple. Only Penn State will.

Humm really because in Philly Temple got better ratings in its bowl last year playing on a Thursday against a middle of the road PAC10 team than Penn State
LINK

I like this quote from your link:

"A winning Temple football team can deliver the fourth-largest market to any football conference in the country, and there is a "softcore" group of fans just waiting to jump on the bandwagon and follow a Temple team that proves to be a consistent winner."

I believe it to be true. Nova's problem is trying to hold down a bigger more influential university in the same city. The BE made Nova important and BE BB is the school's whole identity. But Temple is better equipped for BE membership. It's a no brainer. If Golden can improve the team this year the Nova/temple/Philly/BE battle could get interesting.

Temple is Philly's largest university by far. Nova has been the problem FU#### up the deal from the jump.

LULZ!

The BEAST would be better off inviting PENN than temple! Temple had its chance in football, blew it, and no way Nova will let them in for hoops.

Temple cannot deliver pizza, let alone Philly.

(09-11-2010 06:48 AM)frogman Wrote:  

(09-10-2010 10:53 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  

(09-10-2010 02:50 PM)frogman Wrote:  Also. Adding Nova as a FB school already tips the balance of FB/BB power in the BE. Now we are 8 and 8 for FB and BB. Nadd Nova to the FB side and we're 7 and 9. IMHO Nova can't support the additional FB scholarships in this economy. Along with other expenses. Temple is already making it work and would only make it work better by joining the BE.

According to the Princeton review:

Nova enrollment 7,201
Temple enrollment 26,821

http://www.princetonreview.com/templeUniversity.aspx

http://www.princetonreview.com/villanovaUniversity.aspx

look at the enrollment of wf, duke and syracuse, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,

The difference is Wake and Duke are in southern cities that favor college football. Syr owns the city of Syracuse and probably Ithica, Rochester and the rest of central New York State. Nova is in the smack center of Philly a pro sports northeastern city. They're not the only game in town, not the most popular game and town and not the biggest college in the city. Duke, UNC and Wake are the top sports attractions in North Carolina. SYR is the top sports attraction in central NY. Nova is just small college with 7000 students in a city loaded with pro sports and larger colleges.

wroooooong bc is a private school and boston is a rabbid spro sports town and their fb is sucsssful.............:domokun:

(09-11-2010 10:41 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-11-2010 10:26 AM)Garmuck Wrote:  

(09-11-2010 09:53 AM)Gibson Tiger Wrote:  

(09-10-2010 01:46 PM)Garmuck Wrote:  

(09-10-2010 12:19 PM)Sir Galahad Wrote:  I could be wrong but I don't think it has anything to do with the size of the stadium but the minimum average attendance. If they could only draw 4,000 to a semi final 1-aa game, can they generate enough interest to get to the 15,000 average mark, if in fact that is the number. I know that teams play with attendance numbers all the time and the NCAA does look away some times in these cases but in reality I just can't see where they are going to get the fan support.

This sounds eerily similar to all non-AQ fans. "If we go to a BCS conference we'll most certainly get better attendance/expand BHNS/renovate LB/etc." It doesn't work both ways because you aren't Villanova fans?

You make an excellent point Garmuck.I believe every program that's made a move up has gained increased fan support as a result.I don't see Villanova as being any different & having 4 years to prepare for the move should help recruiting into an already successful program.The fan increase should follow along with this.

I don't prefer Villanova over ECU, UCF, or Memphis for football. I do think slamming on them about attendance when the usual suspects tout the BCS tag as a no-brainer attendance booster is hypocritical.

There is NO WAY that we can compare Nova upgrading in FB to Big East and adding a CUSA team.
#1 Nova is ALREADY a Big East member, meaning there will not be a need to expand the league for other sports like basketball.
#2 Nova has an excellent basketball program that the other FB members would want to keep if a split happened.
#3 This addition would give the FB members a majority in the league. Big if it ever came down to splitting

I completely understand the merits of inviting Villanova. I really like this move but I hope there is a big picture to all of it because I'm worried about the strength of our league, football-wise, with just these 9 teams.

Obviously this is all premature as they need to accept the invite first.

Quote:WVU played Nova a couple years back and I thought they easily had more talent then Syracsue and UL that year. Yeah, there are concerns about where there going to play and the fan base etc, but they will find players. I am confident of that.

Jackson

Quote:What makes you say this? WV beat Nova at Milan Puskar 48-21 that year. WV beat SU 17-6 that year at Milan Puskar. SU had a chance to win that game with about 3 minutes left were it not for Devines 80 yard run in the final minutes. I dont see how one can say that Nova easily had more talent that year than SU. Louisville also played WV closer than Nova that year, although the game was at Louisville.

That's a fair critique. I guess what came to mind was that the Nova game was one of the few games that year that the wvu squad was healthy. In the Syracuse gamy that you mentioned Pat White was hurt and Jarret Brown was playing on one leg because he was being used as the short yardage back in the previos weeks. Poor Jarret. There just wasn't anyone else at that point.

How about we'll call it that I thought Nova had enough talent to beat several D1 schools.

Jackson

I prefer the way you said it the first time around, Jackson. It was accurate...

(09-12-2010 09:23 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I prefer the way you said it the first time around, Jackson. It was accurate...

Wrong. But thats no surprise coming from you.






The injuries excuse is just that, an excuse, its not like WV was the only one with key injuries. WV had its highest scoring game of the season against Nova that year, by far. The SU score was about the norm for WV that year as there were everal games that WV failed to get above 20 points. WV also lost to ECU that year and a horrible Colorado team.

That Colorado loss was hard to swallow too...

both wake and duke actually are smaller schools than villanova, it's a no brainer they belong on the fb side along with gtown. gtown sits in a hotbed of recruits, their fb would get better fast........

(09-12-2010 10:21 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  both wake and duke actually are smaller schools than villanova, it's a no brainer they belong on the fb side along with gtown. gtown sits in a hotbed of recruits, their fb would get better fast........

I've never seen the slightest indication GU has ever wanted to have a 1-A football program. I'm sure the conference would welcome them as well if they ever looked to move up--believe there is a "standing" invitation for schools w/out 1-A football to do so.

(09-10-2010 03:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-10-2010 09:25 AM)brista21 Wrote:  We've got ECU packing 50k in their stadium every week to play CUSA schools

ECU averaged 40,000 last year so i'm not sure how the math could allow packing in 50,000.

Vadis, ECU expanded their staduim after last season to add 7,000 more seats. Their first game they had 50,010 and this past weekend 48,000 + so they have been bring in more than last years average.

WVU and Cuse fans, stay on topic!