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RE: Girl Outs Mother's Citizenship Status During First Lady's School Visit
(05-19-2010 06:12 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: Are you sure that's right torch? I believe you're allowed to ask if someone is legally authorized to work in this country...
You may be able to ask that, if you phrase it just so.
I've been at 3 companies in the past 4 years, and before conducting interviews I've been warned not to ask about citizenship...even when it was required b/c of security issues.
Nevertheless, CASA Maryland and some aggressive L.A. immigration rights organizations do target such "civil rights offenses"
Quote:Funny how SOME liberals (not saying anyone in this thread) want companies to enforce laws they don't want the police to enforce.... especially in industries where illegal workers mught be prevalent like Ag (profiling). IOW, prfiling is ok
Excellent point.
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Machiavelli
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RE: Girl Outs Mother's Citizenship Status During First Lady's School Visit
At Krogers. 2 for 4 dollars. Smithfield bacon.
Did you guy's know that our whole country is mainly fed by 13 meat processing plants. In the 80's it was over 200.
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RE: Girl Outs Mother's Citizenship Status During First Lady's School Visit
(05-20-2010 07:10 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: but if you want your bacon at two dollars a pound........................... There's a nasty trade off here that America has to come to grips with and by evidence of the spin room. We can't agree on much.
Get rid of minimum wage and welfare laws.
That "nasty trade off" is an artificial construct as well.
I've posted before that No. VA didn't need minimum wage laws (or the recent increase) b/c they couldn't find employees at those prices. Yet there were plenty of people not working in Anacostia.
Many of these problems are consequences of bad policies thru the years.
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RE: Girl Outs Mother's Citizenship Status During First Lady's School Visit
(05-20-2010 07:18 AM)Rebel Wrote: (05-19-2010 06:12 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: Are you sure that's right torch? I believe you're allowed to ask if someone is legally authorized to work in this country... but I don't know what you do if they say yes and aren't. If the company is sending payments to the government for the SSN she gave them, then they're probably not doing anything wrong.
Funny how SOME liberals (not saying anyone in this thread) want companies to enforce laws they don't want the police to enforce.... especially in industries where illegal workers mught be prevalent like Ag (profiling). IOW, prfiling is ok
What happened to the "wonderful" e-Verify system that was supposed to be put in place by the government? Is it working?
No, it doesn't, at least in cases of identity theft. Had a client use e-Verify and sure enough "Lupe Gonzales" with a certain SSN and Date of Birth was legit to work.
Problem was that the guy's real name was "Pedro Morales". Apparently info for a valid SSN and DOB is worth its weight in gold. You just print up the documents to match the name.
They didn't discover the fraud until "Lupe/Pedro" filed a Worker's Comp claim IN HIS REAL NAME.
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RE: Girl Outs Mother's Citizenship Status During First Lady's School Visit
(05-20-2010 07:23 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: At Krogers. 2 for 4 dollars. Smithfield bacon.
Did you guy's know that our whole country is mainly fed by 13 meat processing plants. In the 80's it was over 200.
2 for 4 dollars? Ok, how much do those packages weigh? If they weigh a pound a piece, that's 2 dollars a pound.
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RE: Girl Outs Mother's Citizenship Status During First Lady's School Visit
uh yeah.. that's what I originally typed.
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RE: Girl Outs Mother's Citizenship Status During First Lady's School Visit
(05-20-2010 07:39 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: uh yeah.. that's what I originally typed.
I misread.
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RE: Girl Outs Mother's Citizenship Status During First Lady's School Visit
(05-19-2010 07:50 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: and Torch... these people wouldn't be here if they weren't being exploited for cheap labor. Another ancillary benefit of NAFTA. We flood Mexico with cheap corn. These farmers now need jobs.
This statement pisses me off. Subsidized farming is antithetical to free trade. It predates NAFTA and has roots in big-government liberalism going back several decades. That one single problem does more to undermine NAFTA than anything else - without it NAFTA would probably be recognized as a successful venture. As it stands, most objective analysis about NAFTA says that it has been both beneficial and detrimental to both countries and has been an overall push. But, to conflate the effects of subsidized farming with NAFTA is flatout wrong, if not disingenuous.
edit: I do not dispute that undermining central American agriculture is a serious problem and contributor to the flow of illegal immigrants. In fact, I frequently rail on farm subsidies in this country for that very reason. They are antiquated (not to imply that they were ever a good idea), harmful, and wasteful. John Cougar Mellencamp and Willie Nelson can go **** themselves with regards to this issue as far as I'm concerned.
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RE: Girl Outs Mother's Citizenship Status During First Lady's School Visit
(05-20-2010 07:21 AM)DrTorch Wrote: (05-19-2010 06:12 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: Are you sure that's right torch? I believe you're allowed to ask if someone is legally authorized to work in this country...
You may be able to ask that, if you phrase it just so.
I've been at 3 companies in the past 4 years, and before conducting interviews I've been warned not to ask about citizenship...even when it was required b/c of security issues.
Nevertheless, CASA Maryland and some aggressive L.A. immigration rights organizations do target such "civil rights offenses"
On most employee verification forms it says something like... "Are you authorized to work in the US for any employer"... Some say, can you provide proof if asked... Not a question of citizenship... because citizenship is not a requirement for employment.
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RE: Girl Outs Mother's Citizenship Status During First Lady's School Visit
Fine companies $500,000 for every illegal they hire, they will stop hiring illegals really fast. They will figure out way to verify work status then. Make the language read that even day laborors need to have an I-9 filled out, even if they are just "subcontractors". There are ways to do this. The Arizona legislation is one of them. I think upon a traffic stop or any other arrest, everyone should be asked of immigration or citizen status. As long as while I'm walking my dog no one asks me for my papers, I'm cool. If I was to be pulled over for speeding though, it's fair game.
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RE: Girl Outs Mother's Citizenship Status During First Lady's School Visit
I don't think it's a right or left issue I-45. It's a Hawkeye Cauci issue. You can't piss off the corn farmers. I don't know if your singling me out as being disingenous but I wholeheartedly believe big agri exploits the Mexican Farmer. Subsidizing corn has far greater effects in other areas too. When a 50 cent bag of Fritos is easier to get than an apple. It has consequences. We spent 30% of our GDP in the 60's on food and 10% on Health Care. Today those numbers are reversed.
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RE: Girl Outs Mother's Citizenship Status During First Lady's School Visit
Fine companies $500,000 for every illegal they hire, they will stop hiring illegals really fast.
and this illegal immigration problem we have would be over in about two weeks after that.
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RE: Girl Outs Mother's Citizenship Status During First Lady's School Visit
(05-20-2010 12:30 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: Fine companies $500,000 for every illegal they hire, they will stop hiring illegals really fast.
and this illegal immigration problem we have would be over in about two weeks after that.
I wonder if the fine wouldn't even have to be that steep. Either way, that amount of money wouldn't leave much wiggle room haha.
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RE: Girl Outs Mother's Citizenship Status During First Lady's School Visit
(05-20-2010 07:18 AM)Rebel Wrote: (05-19-2010 06:12 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: Are you sure that's right torch? I believe you're allowed to ask if someone is legally authorized to work in this country... but I don't know what you do if they say yes and aren't. If the company is sending payments to the government for the SSN she gave them, then they're probably not doing anything wrong.
Funny how SOME liberals (not saying anyone in this thread) want companies to enforce laws they don't want the police to enforce.... especially in industries where illegal workers mught be prevalent like Ag (profiling). IOW, prfiling is ok
What happened to the "wonderful" e-Verify system that was supposed to be put in place by the government? Is it working?
Anyplace where there is Homeland Security, like the Port of Houston, every worker, contractor or otherwise, employers must use e-verify, elsewhere it's optional.
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RE: Girl Outs Mother's Citizenship Status During First Lady's School Visit
(05-20-2010 12:24 PM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote: Fine companies $500,000 for every illegal they hire, they will stop hiring illegals really fast. They will figure out way to verify work status then. Make the language read that even day laborors need to have an I-9 filled out, even if they are just "subcontractors". There are ways to do this. The Arizona legislation is one of them. I think upon a traffic stop or any other arrest, everyone should be asked of immigration or citizen status. As long as while I'm walking my dog no one asks me for my papers, I'm cool. If I was to be pulled over for speeding though, it's fair game.
While I generally agree with this... I find it amusing that so many, especially a few on here, probably don't mind companies "profiling"... or making people just trying to find work have to carry around proof or not get hired... I mean, if you don't have proof on you at the time, they won't hire you...
Will the law apply to the guy who wants to hire some "joe" to help with cleaning out his garage? I mean, we can hire a 13yr old to mow our grass without ID, right??
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