(05-13-2010 06:15 AM)I45owl Wrote:  Horowitz is an incendiary figure. I would not expect the press to report on some college student saying something stupid at a lecture on campus ... they don't have the time. Even Horowitz tacitly admits that her response is nothing out of the ordinary. Lectures by Horowitz, Daniel Pipes, Israeli ambassadors are often canceled just before their speeches due to pressure from terrorist sympathizers like MSA and hippie peace organizations/anarchists.

Nobody has done more to expose the Muslim Student Associations around the country than Horowitz. You may call it incendiary but that tactic works - it gets them to show and tell how crazy they really are. He is an anti-jihad combatant who works to expose the MSAs, their ideological roots and funding and also to educate Americans to what may well be a fifth column in our midst. While the P.C. crowds love to salute the diversity and multi-culturalism on campus, these student groups are being shown to be anything but benign.

(05-13-2010 12:27 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 12:10 PM)RobertN Wrote:   Yes. ALL Muslins want the Jewish people dead and they are all terrorists.

Once again Robert shows his affinity towards Islam. He'll rail on Christianity all day long, but he'll praise and defend the same religious people who'd just as soon cut his f'n head off.

There you go again. Spin, spin, spin. I care for religous fundamentalists from any religion.

(05-13-2010 01:08 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 12:57 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 12:03 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 07:22 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 12:36 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Self-preservation instinct. This country is on the brink. Everybody else can go f*ck themselves until we get our house in order.

Many countries/lands were conquered that way by the Romans. Everyone had a, "f--k you, you're own your own" stance to other countries and lands. ..and by the time their time came, no one was left to help them. Nice logic, ....if you DON'T want to stay free.

I like this analogy -- but in it -- we are the Romans. We are massively overextended. We're trying to simultaneously run a welfare state and a warfare state and a nanny state. We expect government help from cradle to grave. Cheap manufacturing is evaporating to overseas under our corporate tax burdens. We're in deep deep DEEP deficit to the point of being at, near, or beyond the event horizon of bankruptcy or hyperinflation. We have a tsunami of entitlement spending for baby boomers barreling towards our shore. It all ultimately points to economic apocalypse. The great empires of the world were never defeated militarily. They always self-destructed financially. It would appear we have ignored histories countless warnings of this, including the Romans.

Nice try GTS but most big corporations pay little to no taxes(at least federal) because of all the loopholes. Many get tax breaks locally to build there. Could you please explain to me how high their taxes are? It may be a bit different for small businesses but I would imagine many of the same loopholes are used.

How are local tax incentives going to offset a federal 33% tax rate on all profit?

Besides, who do you think pays for those corporate taxes? YOU DO. In lower salaries, and in fewer jobs, and in higher prices.

If a company actually pays 33% they need better tax advice.

http://www.forbes.com/2010/04/01/ge-exxo...taxes.html

(05-13-2010 02:15 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 12:57 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 12:03 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 07:22 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 12:36 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Self-preservation instinct. This country is on the brink. Everybody else can go f*ck themselves until we get our house in order.

Many countries/lands were conquered that way by the Romans. Everyone had a, "f--k you, you're own your own" stance to other countries and lands. ..and by the time their time came, no one was left to help them. Nice logic, ....if you DON'T want to stay free.

I like this analogy -- but in it -- we are the Romans. We are massively overextended. We're trying to simultaneously run a welfare state and a warfare state and a nanny state. We expect government help from cradle to grave. Cheap manufacturing is evaporating to overseas under our corporate tax burdens. We're in deep deep DEEP deficit to the point of being at, near, or beyond the event horizon of bankruptcy or hyperinflation. We have a tsunami of entitlement spending for baby boomers barreling towards our shore. It all ultimately points to economic apocalypse. The great empires of the world were never defeated militarily. They always self-destructed financially. It would appear we have ignored histories countless warnings of this, including the Romans.

Nice try GTS but most big corporations pay little to no taxes(at least federal) because of all the loopholes. Many get tax breaks locally to build there. Could you please explain to me how high their taxes are? It may be a bit different for small businesses but I would imagine many of the same loopholes are used.

That post is completely ignorant! Local tax breaks DO NOT offset Federal Taxes. Please tell us all about the "Loopholes" that let corporations out of taxes.

Many small businesses are taxed through personal income taxes (see sole proprietorships, partnerships, LLC's, S Corporations, etc.) instead of Corporate income taxes. Guess what....they still pay taxes.

Once again....Please inform us all about these loopholes! I would love to get the company I work for out of paying the 35% corporate income tax that sucks away from our profit.

Sounds like you need better tax advice if you are paying 35%.

(05-14-2010 02:02 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 01:08 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 12:57 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 12:03 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 07:22 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 12:36 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Self-preservation instinct. This country is on the brink. Everybody else can go f*ck themselves until we get our house in order.

Many countries/lands were conquered that way by the Romans. Everyone had a, "f--k you, you're own your own" stance to other countries and lands. ..and by the time their time came, no one was left to help them. Nice logic, ....if you DON'T want to stay free.

I like this analogy -- but in it -- we are the Romans. We are massively overextended. We're trying to simultaneously run a welfare state and a warfare state and a nanny state. We expect government help from cradle to grave. Cheap manufacturing is evaporating to overseas under our corporate tax burdens. We're in deep deep DEEP deficit to the point of being at, near, or beyond the event horizon of bankruptcy or hyperinflation. We have a tsunami of entitlement spending for baby boomers barreling towards our shore. It all ultimately points to economic apocalypse. The great empires of the world were never defeated militarily. They always self-destructed financially. It would appear we have ignored histories countless warnings of this, including the Romans.

Nice try GTS but most big corporations pay little to no taxes(at least federal) because of all the loopholes. Many get tax breaks locally to build there. Could you please explain to me how high their taxes are? It may be a bit different for small businesses but I would imagine many of the same loopholes are used.

How are local tax incentives going to offset a federal 33% tax rate on all profit?
Besides, who do you think pays for those corporate taxes? YOU DO. In lower salaries, and in fewer jobs, and in higher prices.

If a company actually pays 33% they need better tax advice.
http://www.forbes.com/2010/04/01/ge-exxo...taxes.html

No, they need to hire better lobbyists and move their most profitable activities offshore.
If you believe that more lobbyists and moving jobs offshore are good things, then you should like our current tax system.
If you believe they are bad things, then you should support efforts to implement a more competitive tax system here.
Robert, it's interesting that you cite an article which goes to great lengths to point out just how uncompetitive the US tax system is.
The fair tax, or something like the Eastern European 15-15-15 fair tax/flat tax hybrid that I have proposed, would have numerous effects, including: bringing jobs back to the US, reducing the influence of lobbyists, increasing economic growth, improving our balance of trade by decreasing imports and increasing exports, and reducing the number and complexity of non-competitive tax avoidance practices (which are perfectly legal).
Those results are all very clear from the article that Robert cites.
I find it odd that he, of all people, would be citing that article.
But when you're not into facts, I guess you're not into logic either.

(05-13-2010 12:57 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 12:03 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 07:22 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 12:36 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Self-preservation instinct. This country is on the brink. Everybody else can go f*ck themselves until we get our house in order.

Many countries/lands were conquered that way by the Romans. Everyone had a, "f--k you, you're own your own" stance to other countries and lands. ..and by the time their time came, no one was left to help them. Nice logic, ....if you DON'T want to stay free.

I like this analogy -- but in it -- we are the Romans. We are massively overextended. We're trying to simultaneously run a welfare state and a warfare state and a nanny state. We expect government help from cradle to grave. Cheap manufacturing is evaporating to overseas under our corporate tax burdens. We're in deep deep DEEP deficit to the point of being at, near, or beyond the event horizon of bankruptcy or hyperinflation. We have a tsunami of entitlement spending for baby boomers barreling towards our shore. It all ultimately points to economic apocalypse. The great empires of the world were never defeated militarily. They always self-destructed financially. It would appear we have ignored histories countless warnings of this, including the Romans.

Nice try GTS but most big corporations pay little to no taxes(at least federal) because of all the loopholes. Many get tax breaks locally to build there. Could you please explain to me how high their taxes are? It may be a bit different for small businesses but I would imagine many of the same loopholes are used.

Businesses do not pay taxes. Tax burden is a part of a businesses overhead and is passed on to the consumer in the price of goods and services. The government only really steals from individuals. That is why taxes on businesses are so damn stupid.

(05-13-2010 01:29 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 11:30 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Living with so much hatred must be a wonderful way of life. I hope those at her school ostracize her and make her loathsome existence ever more awful.

Great, give her another reason to blow some sh*t up.

By the way, I think about killing someone every day. Wanna lock me up.

Be careful...When they run out of things to call crimes(which..I doubt)...thought crime will be next.

(05-14-2010 02:06 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 02:15 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 12:57 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 12:03 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 07:22 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 12:36 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Self-preservation instinct. This country is on the brink. Everybody else can go f*ck themselves until we get our house in order.

Many countries/lands were conquered that way by the Romans. Everyone had a, "f--k you, you're own your own" stance to other countries and lands. ..and by the time their time came, no one was left to help them. Nice logic, ....if you DON'T want to stay free.

I like this analogy -- but in it -- we are the Romans. We are massively overextended. We're trying to simultaneously run a welfare state and a warfare state and a nanny state. We expect government help from cradle to grave. Cheap manufacturing is evaporating to overseas under our corporate tax burdens. We're in deep deep DEEP deficit to the point of being at, near, or beyond the event horizon of bankruptcy or hyperinflation. We have a tsunami of entitlement spending for baby boomers barreling towards our shore. It all ultimately points to economic apocalypse. The great empires of the world were never defeated militarily. They always self-destructed financially. It would appear we have ignored histories countless warnings of this, including the Romans.

Nice try GTS but most big corporations pay little to no taxes(at least federal) because of all the loopholes. Many get tax breaks locally to build there. Could you please explain to me how high their taxes are? It may be a bit different for small businesses but I would imagine many of the same loopholes are used.

That post is completely ignorant! Local tax breaks DO NOT offset Federal Taxes. Please tell us all about the "Loopholes" that let corporations out of taxes.

Many small businesses are taxed through personal income taxes (see sole proprietorships, partnerships, LLC's, S Corporations, etc.) instead of Corporate income taxes. Guess what....they still pay taxes.

Once again....Please inform us all about these loopholes! I would love to get the company I work for out of paying the 35% corporate income tax that sucks away from our profit.

Sounds like you need better tax advice if you are paying 35%.

You didn't answer the question...show me the loopholes.

Plus, the company I work for (actually group of 6) don't have any losses to offset any profits and I hope to keep it that way.

(05-14-2010 06:27 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-14-2010 02:02 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 01:08 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 12:57 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 12:03 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 07:22 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 12:36 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Self-preservation instinct. This country is on the brink. Everybody else can go f*ck themselves until we get our house in order.

Many countries/lands were conquered that way by the Romans. Everyone had a, "f--k you, you're own your own" stance to other countries and lands. ..and by the time their time came, no one was left to help them. Nice logic, ....if you DON'T want to stay free.

I like this analogy -- but in it -- we are the Romans. We are massively overextended. We're trying to simultaneously run a welfare state and a warfare state and a nanny state. We expect government help from cradle to grave. Cheap manufacturing is evaporating to overseas under our corporate tax burdens. We're in deep deep DEEP deficit to the point of being at, near, or beyond the event horizon of bankruptcy or hyperinflation. We have a tsunami of entitlement spending for baby boomers barreling towards our shore. It all ultimately points to economic apocalypse. The great empires of the world were never defeated militarily. They always self-destructed financially. It would appear we have ignored histories countless warnings of this, including the Romans.

Nice try GTS but most big corporations pay little to no taxes(at least federal) because of all the loopholes. Many get tax breaks locally to build there. Could you please explain to me how high their taxes are? It may be a bit different for small businesses but I would imagine many of the same loopholes are used.

How are local tax incentives going to offset a federal 33% tax rate on all profit?
Besides, who do you think pays for those corporate taxes? YOU DO. In lower salaries, and in fewer jobs, and in higher prices.

If a company actually pays 33% they need better tax advice.
http://www.forbes.com/2010/04/01/ge-exxo...taxes.html

No, they need to hire better lobbyists and move their most profitable activities offshore.
If you believe that more lobbyists and moving jobs offshore are good things, then you should like our current tax system.
If you believe they are bad things, then you should support efforts to implement a more competitive tax system here.
Robert, it's interesting that you cite an article which goes to great lengths to point out just how uncompetitive the US tax system is.
The fair tax, or something like the Eastern European 15-15-15 fair tax/flat tax hybrid that I have proposed, would have numerous effects, including: bringing jobs back to the US, reducing the influence of lobbyists, increasing economic growth, improving our balance of trade by decreasing imports and increasing exports, and reducing the number and complexity of non-competitive tax avoidance practices (which are perfectly legal).
Those results are all very clear from the article that Robert cites.
I find it odd that he, of all people, would be citing that article.
But when you're not into facts, I guess you're not into logic either.

Yes. It is unfair to citizens but seems like it is GREAT for corporations. The average citizen pays their fair share PLUS the corporations share. THat is unfair to the average citizen.

(05-14-2010 11:44 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(05-14-2010 06:27 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-14-2010 02:02 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 01:08 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 12:57 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 12:03 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 07:22 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 12:36 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Self-preservation instinct. This country is on the brink. Everybody else can go f*ck themselves until we get our house in order.

Many countries/lands were conquered that way by the Romans. Everyone had a, "f--k you, you're own your own" stance to other countries and lands. ..and by the time their time came, no one was left to help them. Nice logic, ....if you DON'T want to stay free.

I like this analogy -- but in it -- we are the Romans. We are massively overextended. We're trying to simultaneously run a welfare state and a warfare state and a nanny state. We expect government help from cradle to grave. Cheap manufacturing is evaporating to overseas under our corporate tax burdens. We're in deep deep DEEP deficit to the point of being at, near, or beyond the event horizon of bankruptcy or hyperinflation. We have a tsunami of entitlement spending for baby boomers barreling towards our shore. It all ultimately points to economic apocalypse. The great empires of the world were never defeated militarily. They always self-destructed financially. It would appear we have ignored histories countless warnings of this, including the Romans.

Nice try GTS but most big corporations pay little to no taxes(at least federal) because of all the loopholes. Many get tax breaks locally to build there. Could you please explain to me how high their taxes are? It may be a bit different for small businesses but I would imagine many of the same loopholes are used.

How are local tax incentives going to offset a federal 33% tax rate on all profit?
Besides, who do you think pays for those corporate taxes? YOU DO. In lower salaries, and in fewer jobs, and in higher prices.

If a company actually pays 33% they need better tax advice.
http://www.forbes.com/2010/04/01/ge-exxo...taxes.html

No, they need to hire better lobbyists and move their most profitable activities offshore.
If you believe that more lobbyists and moving jobs offshore are good things, then you should like our current tax system.
If you believe they are bad things, then you should support efforts to implement a more competitive tax system here.
Robert, it's interesting that you cite an article which goes to great lengths to point out just how uncompetitive the US tax system is.
The fair tax, or something like the Eastern European 15-15-15 fair tax/flat tax hybrid that I have proposed, would have numerous effects, including: bringing jobs back to the US, reducing the influence of lobbyists, increasing economic growth, improving our balance of trade by decreasing imports and increasing exports, and reducing the number and complexity of non-competitive tax avoidance practices (which are perfectly legal).
Those results are all very clear from the article that Robert cites.
I find it odd that he, of all people, would be citing that article.
But when you're not into facts, I guess you're not into logic either.

Yes. It is unfair to citizens but seems like it is GREAT for corporations. The average citizen pays their fair share PLUS the corporations share. THat is unfair to the average citizen.

What is your solution?

(05-14-2010 11:44 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Yes. It is unfair to citizens but seems like it is GREAT for corporations. The average citizen pays their fair share PLUS the corporations share. THat is unfair to the average citizen.

The corporation's share is zero. Corporations don't pay taxes, they just pass them along to customers through higher prices. So the average citizen always pays the corporation's "share." So long as all corporations in an industry face the same tax burden, that is inevitable; work out the math. It's only when one corporation gets different tax treatment from its competitors that any corporation actually has to absorb taxes. That's why lobbyists exist.

(05-14-2010 11:44 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Yes. It is unfair to citizens but seems like it is GREAT for corporations. The average citizen pays their fair share PLUS the corporations share. THat is unfair to the average citizen.

No s--t Sherlock. ...which is why we are stunned when you open your piehole talking about increasing taxes on businesses. We need the FairTax. The corporate tax rate is nothing more than pissing down our legs and telling us it's raining. It sounds good to the rich-hating Progressive Democrats, but that's because most are too damn stupid to realize that it is they who will be paying those taxes, no matter WHAT the corporate tax rate will be.

The free market establishes the selling price in a given industry. (or at least it should.)
Not the corporation.
Of course, the market does not always allow the firm to pass on any given expense.
When expenses cannot be passed on, internal adjustments are made within the firm; typically head count. The politicians rarely consider the economic implications of their policies.
Most have never made a payroll, so how could they understand?

Is the Spin REALLY debating corporate taxes with, of all posters, RobertN?

REALLY?

Ya'll got what ya'll deserved on that one.....

(05-13-2010 12:12 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(05-12-2010 05:57 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  It's amazing how that kind of thinking is tolerated in this country.

It is amazing how YOUR kind of thinking(or lack of thinking) is tolerated in this country.

Ya know Rob, I'd bet that just before that girl slices your throat you'd be wondering what this country did to her to make her hate us so much. why don't you move next door to her and hang a Star of David on your front door.

(05-14-2010 03:44 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Is the Spin REALLY debating corporate taxes with, of all posters, RobertN?

REALLY?

Ya'll got what ya'll deserved on that one.....

Only in this place can a debate about Muslim terrorists intermingle with taxes - two, if I dare say, of the more evil things we have to deal with on a daily basis. Death and taxes proves its self again.

(05-14-2010 12:17 PM)Rebel Wrote:  We need the FairTax.

End. Of. Thread.

Turn out the lights. Lock up behind you.

(05-15-2010 04:12 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-14-2010 12:17 PM)Rebel Wrote:  We need the FairTax.

End. Of. Thread.

Turn out the lights. Lock up behind you.

yeah, except the thread has nothing at all to do with this. But, nice try.

(05-14-2010 11:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-14-2010 11:44 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Yes. It is unfair to citizens but seems like it is GREAT for corporations. The average citizen pays their fair share PLUS the corporations share. THat is unfair to the average citizen.

The corporation's share is zero. Corporations don't pay taxes, they just pass them along to customers through higher prices. So the average citizen always pays the corporation's "share." So long as all corporations in an industry face the same tax burden, that is inevitable; work out the math. It's only when one corporation gets different tax treatment from its competitors that any corporation actually has to absorb taxes. That's why lobbyists exist.

Yes...It amazes me just how ignorant most people are about taxation. The light seems to never go off that THEY pay ALL the taxes. Only individuals are stolen from.

My first act as ruler...end ALL corporate taxation. It would be the first step to making America the place to DO business...then I legalize weed.

(05-15-2010 07:36 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(05-14-2010 11:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-14-2010 11:44 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Yes. It is unfair to citizens but seems like it is GREAT for corporations. The average citizen pays their fair share PLUS the corporations share. THat is unfair to the average citizen.

The corporation's share is zero. Corporations don't pay taxes, they just pass them along to customers through higher prices. So the average citizen always pays the corporation's "share." So long as all corporations in an industry face the same tax burden, that is inevitable; work out the math. It's only when one corporation gets different tax treatment from its competitors that any corporation actually has to absorb taxes. That's why lobbyists exist.

Yes...It amazes me just how ignorant most people are about taxation. The light seems to never go off that THEY pay ALL the taxes. Only individuals are stolen from.

My first act as ruler...end ALL corporate taxation. It would be the first step to making America the place to DO business...then I legalize weed.

Economics from a stoner.