TB, I am not generalizing at all about Troy fans. What I stated was fact. Troy fans have been by far the main ones critizing USA Football. A generalization would be if I tried to create a reason why this is the case. I have my opinions, but I haven't done that in this thread.

(05-12-2010 01:52 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  TB, I am not generalizing at all about Troy fans. What I stated was fact. Troy fans have been by far the main ones critizing USA Football. A generalization would be if I tried to create a reason why this is the case. I have my opinions, but I haven't done that in this thread.

When you say, "Troy fans," that is a generalization because I'm a fan of TROY and I see no reason to criticize USA football. That's like making fun of last kid picked in kickball...it ain't right. I want the league that the team I support to be success and that means, to me, to support the league. I'll go so far as to root for l'il Middle when we're not thrashin' them on the field. So, having a competitive team, in the state, to go back and forth with, a la Jax State and UAB is a welcome competition, in my book. Just remember, it may be a few or some...not all Troy fans.

(05-12-2010 10:36 AM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  

(05-12-2010 09:00 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(05-12-2010 08:00 AM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  i fixed the Troy STATE problem in the post. we are TROY now America, get with the program.

Good. Now, maybe you can appreciate and understand our quest to be called Louisiana.

Totally different...Troy is officially and legally Troy. Louisiana at Lafayette is officially and legally Louisiana at Lafayette.

We are. And, Texas is officially and legally Texas at Austin, Nebraska is officially Nebraska Lincoln, Nevada is officially Nevada Reno, Wisconsin is officially Wisconsin at Madison, Cal is officially California Berkeley, etc. etc. It is not about our official name. It is only about what we want to be called athletically only, which is Louisiana and UL. Everyone accepts Louisiana Monroe as ULM as they requested. Why so much difficulty in accepting our request?

(05-12-2010 02:02 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(05-12-2010 01:52 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  TB, I am not generalizing at all about Troy fans. What I stated was fact. Troy fans have been by far the main ones critizing USA Football. A generalization would be if I tried to create a reason why this is the case. I have my opinions, but I haven't done that in this thread.

When you say, "Troy fans," that is a generalization because I'm a fan of TROY and I see no reason to criticize USA football. That's like making fun of last kid picked in kickball...it ain't right. I want the league that the team I support to be success and that means, to me, to support the league. I'll go so far as to root for l'il Middle when we're not thrashin' them on the field. So, having a competitive team, in the state, to go back and forth with, a la Jax State and UAB is a welcome competition, in my book. Just remember, it may be a few or some...not all Troy fans.

That is not a generalization if it is true, which it is. I did not say all/part/some Troy fans because the amount Troy fans listed isn't a neccesary qualifier in my statement.

Let's say I own a website and I get 10 negative comments about an article I post. Let's pretend that 7 of those comments are from people in New York. I can fairly say that people from New York have been the main ones that have criticized me. That doesn't mean that I am making a generalization about the people of New York. I would be foolish to think this based on the small sample size and the large population of New York.

The statements I made about Troy fans are not generalizing them at all, because likewise there is a small sample size (and message board at that). But do not get me wrong, the majority of criticism that I have seen come from other schools has by far been Troy.

(05-12-2010 02:40 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(05-12-2010 02:02 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(05-12-2010 01:52 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  TB, I am not generalizing at all about Troy fans. What I stated was fact. Troy fans have been by far the main ones critizing USA Football. A generalization would be if I tried to create a reason why this is the case. I have my opinions, but I haven't done that in this thread.

When you say, "Troy fans," that is a generalization because I'm a fan of TROY and I see no reason to criticize USA football. That's like making fun of last kid picked in kickball...it ain't right. I want the league that the team I support to be success and that means, to me, to support the league. I'll go so far as to root for l'il Middle when we're not thrashin' them on the field. So, having a competitive team, in the state, to go back and forth with, a la Jax State and UAB is a welcome competition, in my book. Just remember, it may be a few or some...not all Troy fans.

That is not a generalization if it is true, which it is. I did not say all/part/some Troy fans because the amount Troy fans listed isn't a neccesary qualifier in my statement.

Let's say I own a website and I get 10 negative comments about an article I post. Let's pretend that 7 of those comments are from people in New York. I can fairly say that people from New York have been the main ones that have criticized me. That doesn't mean that I am making a generalization about the people of New York. I would be foolish to think this based on the small sample size and the large population of New York.

The statements I made about Troy fans are not generalizing them at all, because likewise there is a small sample size (and message board at that). But do not get me wrong, the majority of criticism that I have seen come from other schools has by far been Troy.

Ok...I'm done...the next thing you know, you'll be talking about continuous probabilities, means, z-distributions...geez

(05-12-2010 02:49 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  Ok...I'm done...the next thing you know, you'll be talking about continuous probabilities, means, z-distributions...geez

Thank you. This is not an argument I was thrilled about... I know what I said and meant.

Being a fan of USA and reading the posts concerning South football, I also have noticed a stench of antimosity from Raider and Trojan (TU)posters, but only certain ones. It is sad that some seem threatened, if you will, by the new kid on the block, football-wise that is. I feel like Joe does concerning the future of Jaguar football. It will happen and the program is destined for success. It will NOT happen overnight, but it will happen. The only way the naysayers can stop it is if their teams NEVER lose to us. Well, if you think that will happen, then who is delusional here? South Alabama has the resources to becoming a force to be reckoned with in the Sun Belt, or whatever FBS conference we will land in. Nobody stopped Troy, MTSU, UNT, Louisiana, etc. My mother went to Troy State Teachers College when it was a wide spot in the road, but look where they are today and I know most USA fans applaud the success they're having. Most of the SBC schools are struggling to stay afloat sportswise, but Troy and a couple of others are enjoying success. South will also someday reap the benefits of starting a program the right way. Step-by-step. Hang on Jags for a wild ride and if it inflames those doubters in the conference, then so be it.

(05-12-2010 09:52 AM)Arrowhead Wrote:  So why add Tech who has looked down there noses and ridiculed the SBC and leave out ULM who has been a loyal member. I know this is just a far fetched scenario, but I just think this should be mentioned.

(05-12-2010 06:56 AM)Rocketdamus Wrote:  

(05-12-2010 02:48 AM)Tuffguy21 Wrote:  

(05-11-2010 07:39 PM)Rocketdamus Wrote:  I am an avid MAC(Toledo) fan who thinks there is a better solution for upcoming realignment in conferences. I think this makes sense. I am curious on the take by Sun Belters. And should the mix from the Sun Belt be different?

Conference America-14 team Mac/Sun Belt/WAC

In the upcoming shake up in college football, I propose a new conference which takes the best of the Mac and the Sun Belt and 1 misplaced WAC and creates something better. The Mac and the Sun Belt have always been dragged down by the bottom. This creates a stronger conference than the WAC, MAC, or the Sun Belt alone. While having higher travel costs, it still keeps them in control by having tightly grouped divisions. This conference also represent schools that are trying to elevate and are committed to spending on Div 1.


North
Toledo
Akron
Ohio
Northern Illinois
Buffalo
Central Michigan
Temple

South
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennesse State
Troy State
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Louisinia Tech
Louisinia Lafayette

Radical, maybe. Better YES!

I think that this is a very intriguing scenario actually, but I do believe that leaving out UNT is a fault in this unless they are scooped up by CUSA, which wouldn't happen over WKU, and MT. With that said, I think I'd make a few changes to you're proposal. First, instead of Buffalo, I'd rather see Miami of Ohio there, if for nothing else, to help the conference academically, while having a few decent programs (I still remember when they went 13-1 with Ben Roethlesberger). With that out of the way, I'd say that you'd have to add UNT and ASU. UNT would bring a strong market, and ASU brings some tradition, plus I just happen to feel that next to UL, they have the highest ceiling in the sunbelt for what their potential could be if they could ever get their athletics in order. which would mean 16 teams, and I know what you're thinking. yes, that would have 8 SBC teams plus la tech. In this scenario, I'd say that you'd toss WKU in the northern portion of the plan and have MT in the south. These 2 teams would be the only 2 guaranteed to meet every single year for their "crossover" games with the other division. The bloated divisions would mean much less crossover for the spring sports. With that said, I think this would be the way it'd work out.

North
Toledo
Akron
Ohio
Northern Illinois
Miami of Ohio
Central Michigan
Temple
Western Kentucky


South
North Texas
Arkansas State
Middle Tennesse State
Troy State
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Louisinia Tech
Louisinia Lafayette

I think your proposal is an improvement. I really didn't have a great feel for which schools are committed to improving their athletics. The bigger league actually goes a long way in keeping travel lower as your division is your core schedule. I think this dog hunts.

All jokes aside, that should be simple to grasp. 1.) Your President has seen the light and is bailing out of Dodge City ASAP. 2.) Your new basketball coach Salary is less then $150,000 and he has a total of $80,000 for assistants. 3.) Your new football Coach makes $175,000. You have very little external funding, not exactly a bright future. Now you can get pissed all day long, but Louisiana-Monroe has serious questions in regards to maintaining FBS status as a program.

(05-12-2010 10:36 AM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  

(05-12-2010 09:00 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(05-12-2010 08:00 AM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  i fixed the Troy STATE problem in the post. we are TROY now America, get with the program.

Good. Now, maybe you can appreciate and understand our quest to be called Louisiana.

Totally different...Troy is officially and legally Troy. Louisiana at Lafayette is officially and legally Louisiana at Lafayette.

And Louisiana is not illegal!

(05-12-2010 03:43 PM)CajunT Wrote:  And Louisiana is not illegal!

Has it ever occurred to any Cajun fans that every time someone says ULL or Louisiana Lafayette gives some people particular glee to yank that chain? Or that some people throw in ULL or Louisiana Lafayette out of habit and rather than having the desired effect of changing behavior angers them and causes them to not use the preferred terms?

(05-12-2010 04:43 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-12-2010 03:43 PM)CajunT Wrote:  And Louisiana is not illegal!

Has it ever occurred to any Cajun fans that every time someone says ULL or Louisiana Lafayette gives some people particular glee to yank that chain? Or that some people throw in ULL or Louisiana Lafayette out of habit and rather than having the desired effect of changing behavior angers them and causes them to not use the preferred terms?

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is what is called, "a very good point..."

(05-12-2010 04:43 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-12-2010 03:43 PM)CajunT Wrote:  And Louisiana is not illegal!

Has it ever occurred to any Cajun fans that every time someone says ULL or Louisiana Lafayette gives some people particular glee to yank that chain? Or that some people throw in ULL or Louisiana Lafayette out of habit and rather than having the desired effect of changing behavior angers them and causes them to not use the preferred terms?

Sure it has, but for certain people to continue to come here and post that the use of Louisiana is illegal,it is an outright lie! Now, I'm not going to beg others to call us Louisiana or UL. But we find it extremely hypocritical that some SBC programs have changed their names and no one from the Cajun fans base goes out of their way to disrespect them on this site. Exception, Louisiana-Monroe. Did it ever occur to some people that these schools are still known to fans that don't post on this board as NTS,TSU or MTSU? I see no difference.

North Texas- North Texas State
Troy- Troy State
MT- Middle Tennessee State

Did I leave any out besides the UL’s?

Back to the subject of the thread.

(05-12-2010 05:09 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(05-12-2010 04:43 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-12-2010 03:43 PM)CajunT Wrote:  And Louisiana is not illegal!

Has it ever occurred to any Cajun fans that every time someone says ULL or Louisiana Lafayette gives some people particular glee to yank that chain? Or that some people throw in ULL or Louisiana Lafayette out of habit and rather than having the desired effect of changing behavior angers them and causes them to not use the preferred terms?

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is what is called, "a very good point..."

Bingo.

(05-12-2010 04:43 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-12-2010 03:43 PM)CajunT Wrote:  And Louisiana is not illegal!

Has it ever occurred to any Cajun fans that every time someone says ULL or Louisiana Lafayette gives some people particular glee to yank that chain? Or that some people throw in ULL or Louisiana Lafayette out of habit and rather than having the desired effect of changing behavior angers them and causes them to not use the preferred terms?

We've seen it enough to know who's legitimately ill informed of our preference versus those who are just down right obtuse.

Look, if it means anything to anyone, if you're the latter group rather than the former (and can't or won't bring yourself to honor our request) just use "CAJUNS" rather than get into an uneccessary pissing match.

I think we can all agree on that.

(05-12-2010 05:21 PM)CajunT Wrote:  

(05-12-2010 04:43 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-12-2010 03:43 PM)CajunT Wrote:  And Louisiana is not illegal!

Has it ever occurred to any Cajun fans that every time someone says ULL or Louisiana Lafayette gives some people particular glee to yank that chain? Or that some people throw in ULL or Louisiana Lafayette out of habit and rather than having the desired effect of changing behavior angers them and causes them to not use the preferred terms?

Sure it has, but for certain people to continue to come here and post that the use of Louisiana is illegal,it is an outright lie! Now, I'm not going to beg others to call us Louisiana or UL. But we find it extremely hypocritical that some SBC programs have changed their names and no one from the Cajun fans base goes out of their way to disrespect them on this site. Exception, Louisiana-Monroe. Did it ever occur to some people that these schools are still known to fans that don't post on this board as NTS,TSU or MTSU? I see no difference.

North Texas- North Texas State
Troy- Troy State
MT- Middle Tennessee State

Did I leave any out besides the UL’s?

Back to the subject of the thread.

You can call UNT North Texas State if you want. Just shows a lack of knowledge as the name was LEGALLY changed over two decades ago. Troy's name was also LEGALLY changed within the past few years. Call us what ya want, it reflects on you and not us.

I'm an old fart.

I still stay North Texas State, Troy State, and Memphis State without ill intent to anyone. For some reason ULM has stuck with me and I use it, probably because NLU never rolled easily off the tongue. Sometimes I drop in a ULL just because I got in the habit of it and it has the same flow as USL which still wants to pop in my head. Oddly enough I use MT because when I think of Middle I think of the MT logo with the blur above it.

(05-12-2010 05:33 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I'm an old fart.

I still stay North Texas State, Troy State, and Memphis State without ill intent to anyone. For some reason ULM has stuck with me and I use it, probably because NLU never rolled easily off the tongue. Sometimes I drop in a ULL just because I got in the habit of it and it has the same flow as USL which still wants to pop in my head. Oddly enough I use MT because when I think of Middle I think of the MT logo with the blur above it.

I still use State occasionally myself. It was North Texas State when I was there so I really don't take offense. I know that certain folks do it intentional , but it's really a weak slam.:odie:

I used "Cajuns" for a while, but "ULL" leads to much more fun.

hey South fans, I just wanted to tell you all something. Stop whining. You will eventually be a rival of ours in football and will be subjected to much worse than what you've seen so far. not all of you, but some of you need to thicken that skin up a bit.


Middle fans can talk smack too. the Trojans and the Raiders are the big boys on this particular block, get used to hearing smack from us. its all in good natured fun. i know it may suck hearing it because you can't talk any back yet, but it will really make you appreciate your first wins in-Conference.

(05-12-2010 05:29 PM)MeanGreen61 Wrote:  

(05-12-2010 05:21 PM)CajunT Wrote:  

(05-12-2010 04:43 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-12-2010 03:43 PM)CajunT Wrote:  And Louisiana is not illegal!

Has it ever occurred to any Cajun fans that every time someone says ULL or Louisiana Lafayette gives some people particular glee to yank that chain? Or that some people throw in ULL or Louisiana Lafayette out of habit and rather than having the desired effect of changing behavior angers them and causes them to not use the preferred terms?

Sure it has, but for certain people to continue to come here and post that the use of Louisiana is illegal,it is an outright lie! Now, I'm not going to beg others to call us Louisiana or UL. But we find it extremely hypocritical that some SBC programs have changed their names and no one from the Cajun fans base goes out of their way to disrespect them on this site. Exception, Louisiana-Monroe. Did it ever occur to some people that these schools are still known to fans that don't post on this board as NTS,TSU or MTSU? I see no difference.

North Texas- North Texas State
Troy- Troy State
MT- Middle Tennessee State

Did I leave any out besides the UL’s?

Back to the subject of the thread.

You can call UNT North Texas State if you want. Just shows a lack of knowledge as the name was LEGALLY changed over two decades ago. Troy's name was also LEGALLY changed within the past few years. Call us what ya want, it reflects on you and not us.

And the Cajuns have legally branded their athletics "Louisiana's Ragin' Cajuns." Checkmate! So call us what you want, but it certainly reflects on you as well.