(05-07-2010 03:38 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  1) Would you support a government ban on gay marriage?
2) Would you support a government ban on transgendered marriage?
3) Would you support a government ban on marijuana?
4) Would you support a government tax on alcohol, tobacco, or any other illicit "sin tax" to finance health care, schools, or some other government cause?
5) Would you support government mandated teaching of intelligent design in school?
6) Would you support government mandated prayer time in school?
7) Would you support government mandated affirmative action programs?
8) Would you support government bans on stem cell research?
9) Would you support making Christianity the official religion of the United States?
10) Would you support censoring or outright banning books like "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins from all K-12 education libraries?
11) Would you support the government keeping prostitution illegal?

I'm looking forward to your answers on issues where your desire to project government force to support your beliefs will be a little more obvious.

Once again, GTS dives into the middle w/o any scholastic integrity to his post.

Correct me if I'm wrong GTS, but I get the sense that you'll be the judge to how much we like "freedom" or "liberty" based on these answers. Is that right.

Well I can think of at least three fallacies w/ this approach. Then I'll point to just how poor some of your questions are.

1. Who are you to judge "freedom" or "liberty"? Why do you get to define those terms? GGniner pointed out repeatedly that your definitions don't match those of the founding fathers...yet you keep coming back to this spot.

You bring in your own terms, basically self-centered rants about how you should be able to do whatever you want. And if not, then the man is repressin' you. (Monty Python reference). You know when this idea got traction? In the 1960s. This is exactly how all those "counter-cultural" hippies thought life should be.

How about that? Your ideas about social liberalism matches exactly those of the generation that is the most fiscally liberal/irresponsible in US history.

2. As I alluded to earlier, your definitions don't match those used in the early eras of our country. They were not what propelled this country to the success it has seen. On what basis do you claim they are what the country should adopt in order to remain successful?

3. Finally, you have to accept that you are not fully free. There are all sorts of restraints on your freedoms, physical, biological restraints. You accept these. In fact to deny them leads to harm or death. Some restraints are relatively well understood, others may be a puzzle. Nevertheless, they are empirically verified to exist.

So, if these restraints exist for an individual, why is it so hard to believe that restraints exist for a society? Whether you understand them fully or not, history is rife with examples of moral restraints benefitting a socity, while ignoring them leads to harm or death.

Moving on:


5) Would you support government mandated teaching of intelligent design in school?
In school? YOu mean a taxpayer funded school? Why are we being forced to pay for schools? Haha, you aren't even a good libertarian.

6) Would you support government mandated prayer time in school?
See above.

8) Would you support government bans on stem cell research?
What exactly does this mean? Pretty vague here. Not well thought out.

10) Would you support censoring or outright banning books like "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins from all K-12 education libraries?
Once again, GTS imposes his tax payer funded schools on all of us.

11) Would you support the government keeping prostitution illegal?

Hmm, is this the sort of prostitution that has kidnapped tens of thousands of women and girls, and forced them into lifestyles they don't want? The kind that keeps them indebted to their pimps, so they have no means to live on their own? The kind that gives them diseases and other health problem? The kind of lifestyle that leaves women enslaved, and w/o options when their looks have gone?

Here's a tip, "Secret Diary of a Call Girl" is not the norm. It's not anything like what goes on in most places. Let's deal with reality first.

(05-08-2010 12:20 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  1) Would you support a government ban on gay marriage? No
2) Would you support a government ban on transgendered marriage? No
3) Would you support a government ban on marijuana? No
4) Would you support a government tax on alcohol, tobacco, or any other illicit "sin tax" to finance health care, schools, or some other government cause? Only the regular sales tax.
5) Would you support government mandated teaching of intelligent design in school? No
6) Would you support government mandated prayer time in school? No
7) Would you support government mandated affirmative action programs? No
8) Would you support government bans on stem cell research? No
9) Would you support making Christianity the official religion of the United States? No
10) Would you support censoring or outright banning books like "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins from all K-12 education libraries?
I don't know. Before answering, I would first want to know if public schools allow bibles and other religious material in its libraries (keeping in mind the separation of church and state). If not, then this book likely doesn't belong in its library either.
11) Would you support the government keeping prostitution illegal? No

Agree, except that I am okay with sin taxes.

(05-10-2010 08:53 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  Dodge, Evade, Avoid, Balk, Bypass, Circumvent, Weasel, Flee, Fudge, Sidestep, Shuck, Shift, Put Off, ...

You answer my questions first, then I'll answer yours.

1) Would you support a government ban on gay marriage? Only at the state level and only through a ballot initiative where the people are allowed to vote.
2) Would you support a government ban on transgendered marriage? See 1
3) Would you support a government ban on marijuana? There is already a government ban on marijuana. I would consider legalization with the appropriate laws and regulations in place.
4) Would you support a government tax on alcohol, tobacco, or any other illicit "sin tax" to finance health care, schools, or some other government cause? I don't have an issue with "sin" taxes. Since all taxes fund government the rest is moot.
5) Would you support government mandated teaching of intelligent design in school? If a local government chooses to I have no issue with it so long as it's not taught as science or in a science class.
6) Would you support government mandated prayer time in school? No
7) Would you support government mandated affirmative action programs? No
8) Would you support government bans on stem cell research? For embryonic, yes.
9) Would you support making Christianity the official religion of the United States? No
10) Would you support censoring or outright banning books like "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins from all K-12 education libraries? No
11) Would you support the government keeping prostitution illegal? Yes.

(05-10-2010 11:07 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Dodge, Evade, Avoid, Balk, Bypass, Circumvent, Weasel, Flee, Fudge, Sidestep, Shuck, Shift, Put Off, ...


You answer my questions first, then I'll answer yours.

Doesn't work that way, chum. You're already called out that most of your questions are so poor even a 16 year old wouldn't bother with them.

You're also the one making assertions. Either put up or shut up.

(05-10-2010 11:26 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  1) Would you support a government ban on gay marriage? Only at the state level and only through a ballot initiative where the people are allowed to vote.
2) Would you support a government ban on transgendered marriage? See 1
3) Would you support a government ban on marijuana? There is already a government ban on marijuana. I would consider legalization with the appropriate laws and regulations in place.
4) Would you support a government tax on alcohol, tobacco, or any other illicit "sin tax" to finance health care, schools, or some other government cause? I don't have an issue with "sin" taxes. Since all taxes fund government the rest is moot.
5) Would you support government mandated teaching of intelligent design in school? If a local government chooses to I have no issue with it so long as it's not taught as science or in a science class.
6) Would you support government mandated prayer time in school? No
7) Would you support government mandated affirmative action programs? No
8) Would you support government bans on stem cell research? For embryonic, yes.
9) Would you support making Christianity the official religion of the United States? No
10) Would you support censoring or outright banning books like "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins from all K-12 education libraries? No
11) Would you support the government keeping prostitution illegal? Yes.

Moderately social liberal.

(05-10-2010 11:27 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(05-10-2010 11:07 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Dodge, Evade, Avoid, Balk, Bypass, Circumvent, Weasel, Flee, Fudge, Sidestep, Shuck, Shift, Put Off, ...


You answer my questions first, then I'll answer yours.

Doesn't work that way, chum. You're already called out that most of your questions are so poor even a 16 year old wouldn't bother with them.

You're also the one making assertions. Either put up or shut up.

You're evading the questions which are straight forward hypothetical questions narrowed to one particular issue. And you're doing so because, IMO, if you answered honestly it would reveal you as far social right winger who could host the 700 Club.

(05-10-2010 01:44 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-10-2010 11:27 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(05-10-2010 11:07 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Dodge, Evade, Avoid, Balk, Bypass, Circumvent, Weasel, Flee, Fudge, Sidestep, Shuck, Shift, Put Off, ...


You answer my questions first, then I'll answer yours.

Doesn't work that way, chum. You're already called out that most of your questions are so poor even a 16 year old wouldn't bother with them.

You're also the one making assertions. Either put up or shut up.

You're evading the questions which are straight forward hypothetical questions narrowed to one particular issue. And you're doing so because, IMO, if you answered honestly it would reveal you as far social right winger who could host the 700 Club.

Who says he doesn't already.

(05-10-2010 01:44 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-10-2010 11:27 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(05-10-2010 11:07 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Dodge, Evade, Avoid, Balk, Bypass, Circumvent, Weasel, Flee, Fudge, Sidestep, Shuck, Shift, Put Off, ...


You answer my questions first, then I'll answer yours.

Doesn't work that way, chum. You're already called out that most of your questions are so poor even a 16 year old wouldn't bother with them.

You're also the one making assertions. Either put up or shut up.

You're evading the questions which are straight forward hypothetical questions narrowed to one particular issue. And you're doing so because, IMO, if you answered honestly it would reveal you as far social right winger who could host the 700 Club.

Yeah, yeah. And have you stopped beating your wife GTS?

Your sophomoric questions (and that insults sophomores) were outed. Your poor scholarship has been outed.
Your inconsistency from your libertarian ideals were outed.

Take the ad homenim attack approach if you want to, doesn't change those pesky facts.

You're the one here who scared to answer a few straight forward questions. You're pulling a Bill Clinton. You don't want to answer it, so you're going to try to attack the question. Are you going to ask me for the definition of "is" next?

(05-10-2010 02:29 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  You're the one here who scared to answer a few straight forward questions. You're pulling a Bill Clinton. You don't want to answer it, so you're going to try to attack the question. Are you going to ask me for the definition of "is" next?

Stick w/ the computer stuff. Logic and philosophy aren't your strong suits.

1) Would you support a government ban on gay marriage? No.
2) Would you support a government ban on transgendered marriage? No.
3) Would you support a government ban on marijuana? No.
4) Would you support a government tax on alcohol, tobacco, or any other illicit "sin tax" to finance health care, schools, or some other government cause? No.
5) Would you support government mandated teaching of intelligent design in school? No.
6) Would you support government mandated prayer time in school? No.
7) Would you support government mandated affirmative action programs? No.
8) Would you support government bans on stem cell research? No.
9) Would you support making Christianity the official religion of the United States? No.
10) Would you support censoring or outright banning books like "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins from all K-12 education libraries? No.
11) Would you support the government keeping prostitution illegal? No.

(05-10-2010 03:10 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(05-10-2010 02:29 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  You're the one here who scared to answer a few straight forward questions. You're pulling a Bill Clinton. You don't want to answer it, so you're going to try to attack the question. Are you going to ask me for the definition of "is" next?

Stick w/ the computer stuff. Logic and philosophy aren't your strong suits.

Actually, I think if you were to answer those questions honestly then you would just prove his point...that would be exactly why you will not answer them.

(05-10-2010 07:42 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(05-10-2010 03:10 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(05-10-2010 02:29 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  You're the one here who scared to answer a few straight forward questions. You're pulling a Bill Clinton. You don't want to answer it, so you're going to try to attack the question. Are you going to ask me for the definition of "is" next?

Stick w/ the computer stuff. Logic and philosophy aren't your strong suits.

Actually, I think if you were to answer those questions honestly then you would just prove his point...that would be exactly why you will not answer them.

I don't really care what you think.

I also wont answer them and couldn't give two ***** what P of T thinks.

(05-10-2010 08:16 PM)Paul M Wrote:  I also wont answer them and couldn't give two ***** what P of T thinks.

Racist

(05-10-2010 08:06 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(05-10-2010 07:42 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(05-10-2010 03:10 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(05-10-2010 02:29 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  You're the one here who scared to answer a few straight forward questions. You're pulling a Bill Clinton. You don't want to answer it, so you're going to try to attack the question. Are you going to ask me for the definition of "is" next?

Stick w/ the computer stuff. Logic and philosophy aren't your strong suits.

Actually, I think if you were to answer those questions honestly then you would just prove his point...that would be exactly why you will not answer them.

I don't really care what you think.

Look at all that logic and philosophy you just spread onto the page.

(05-10-2010 09:32 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(05-10-2010 08:06 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(05-10-2010 07:42 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(05-10-2010 03:10 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(05-10-2010 02:29 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  You're the one here who scared to answer a few straight forward questions. You're pulling a Bill Clinton. You don't want to answer it, so you're going to try to attack the question. Are you going to ask me for the definition of "is" next?

Stick w/ the computer stuff. Logic and philosophy aren't your strong suits.

Actually, I think if you were to answer those questions honestly then you would just prove his point...that would be exactly why you will not answer them.

I don't really care what you think.

Look at all that logic and philosophy you just spread onto the page.

What the **** are you using for an avatar? And some of the guys in this thread need to get a room.

De Niro in Taxi Driver.

(05-10-2010 09:32 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(05-10-2010 08:06 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(05-10-2010 07:42 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(05-10-2010 03:10 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(05-10-2010 02:29 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  You're the one here who scared to answer a few straight forward questions. You're pulling a Bill Clinton. You don't want to answer it, so you're going to try to attack the question. Are you going to ask me for the definition of "is" next?

Stick w/ the computer stuff. Logic and philosophy aren't your strong suits.

Actually, I think if you were to answer those questions honestly then you would just prove his point...that would be exactly why you will not answer them.

I don't really care what you think.

Look at all that logic and philosophy you just spread onto the page.

The really funny thing is, I agree with you. Sometimes you have to deal with the level of the reader. I figure even you could handle a single seven-word sentence, because you obviously didn't understand anything I wrote to GTS.