This immigration stuff is going to get nasty. Five h.s. students were sent home for wearing American flags on Cinco de Mayo day. I guess Mexican flags would have been okay. Time for this country to wake up. Illegal immigration is a huge problem and the vast majority of America knows it. The sports tie in to this is the Phoenix Suns wearing the Los Suns jerseys in support of illegal immigration. I hope they lose every game from now on.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-bea...45969.html

it's that damn Obama's fault...

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

(05-06-2010 02:33 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  This immigration stuff is going to get nasty. Five h.s. students were sent home for wearing American flags on Cinco de Mayo day. I guess Mexican flags would have been okay. Time for this country to wake up. Illegal immigration is a huge problem and the vast majority of America knows it. The sports tie in to this is the Phoenix Suns wearing the Los Suns jerseys in support of illegal immigration. I hope they lose every game from now on.

For the record, the Suns say they wore those jerseys because of the "racial-profiling," civil-liberties aspects of the law. Not "in support of illegal immigration."

Since this thread is destined for the Spin Room anyway, here's an article about how Mexico handles illegal immigration.


"Mexico has a single, streamlined law that ensures that foreign visitors and immigrants are:
- in the country legally;
- have the means to sustain themselves economically;
- not destined to be burdens on society;
- of economic and social benefit to society;
- of good character and have no criminal records; and
- contributors to the general well-being of the nation.

The law also ensures that:
- immigration authorities have a record of each foreign visitor;
- foreign visitors do not violate their visa status;
- foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country's internal politics;
- foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned or deported;
- foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned or deported;
- those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison.

Who could disagree with such a law? It makes perfect sense. The Mexican constitution strictly defines the rights of citizens -- and the denial of many fundamental rights to non-citizens, illegal and illegal. Under the constitution, the Ley General de Poblacion, or General Law on Population, spells out specifically the country's immigration policy."

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/lillpop022707.htm

(05-06-2010 02:33 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  This immigration stuff is going to get nasty. Five h.s. students were sent home for wearing American flags on Cinco de Mayo day. I guess Mexican flags would have been okay. Time for this country to wake up. Illegal immigration is a huge problem and the vast majority of America knows it. The sports tie in to this is the Phoenix Suns wearing the Los Suns jerseys in support of illegal immigration. I hope they lose every game from now on.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national..._mayo.html

That was local news where I am, and the real kicker of the story was a couple of the kids were Mexican-American. The last thing I heard was the School Board did not back the actions of the Principal. I hope he gets the ole heave ho!

I'm pretty sure the reaction of this poster is exactly why the immigration problem does not have a political solution. Its a rare issue that cuts through traditional party lines. Remember George Bush made immigration reform a key proposal of his second term and barely could get any support from his own Republican Party. Ask yourself why and then you will be on your way to understanding what a difficult political issue this is. I can guarantee you it won't be solved by political posturing or hate speech directed toward Mexicans but can only be be solved by working across party lines to negotiate a fair and reasonable compromise-apparently a lost art in Washington.

(05-06-2010 03:10 PM)Stallion Wrote:  I'm pretty sure the reaction of this poster is exactly why the immigration problem does not have a political solution. Its a rare issue that cuts through traditional party lines. Remember George Bush made immigration reform a key proposal of his second term and barely could get any support from his own Republican Party. Ask yourself why and then you will be on your way to understanding what a difficult political issue this is. I can guarantee you it won't be solved by political posturing or hate speech directed toward Mexicans but can only be be solved by working across party lines to negotiate a fair and reasonable compromise-apparently a lost art in Washington.

There it is....

Gee, I just have to wonder what would happen in D.C. or northern Va., where many of our "political class" lives if a prominent Senator's family member were kidnapped, raped, maimed or killed by a group of MS13 gang members? Suddenly, they might understand what the residents of AZ have to deal with. You know - being on the front lines, so to speak. Perhaps that would give them a different perspective. Then, perhaps the rest of the critters in Congress might decide that the situation regarding our porous borders and broken immigration system needed immediate attention. In which case states wouldn't have to take the action (and the heat it generates) by themselves.

Just saying.

(05-06-2010 03:38 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Gee, I just have to wonder what would happen in D.C. or northern Va., where many of our "political class" lives if a prominent Senator's family member were kidnapped, raped, maimed or killed by a group of MS13 gang members? Suddenly, they might understand what the residents of AZ have to deal with. You know - being on the front lines, so to speak. Perhaps that would give them a different perspective. Then, perhaps the rest of the critters in Congress might decide that the situation regarding our porous borders and broken immigration system needed immediate attention. In which case states wouldn't have to take the action (and the heat it generates) by themselves.

Just saying.

You mean like the guy who insisted on new swimming pool laws, or the state legislator from NY who is proposing assumed consent for organ donation?

Yeah, they're so concerned w/ pet projects that they don't bother w/ legit issues like immigration.

Anyway, it would have to be high profile. I worked for an agency w/ a building in Arlington, VA that didn't have the nicest neighbors. The response? A message from security to "be careful".

(05-06-2010 03:10 PM)Stallion Wrote:  I can guarantee you it won't be solved by political posturing or hate speech directed toward Mexicans but can only be be solved by working across party lines to negotiate a fair and reasonable compromise-apparently a lost art in Washington.

Uh, you mean following the laws that are already on the books? The ones where we deport people here illegally and not extend amnesty to criminals?

There is no political work that needs to be done. Just enforce the law, and keep the politicians away from that.

(05-06-2010 05:42 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  

(05-06-2010 03:10 PM)Stallion Wrote:  I can guarantee you it won't be solved by political posturing or hate speech directed toward Mexicans but can only be be solved by working across party lines to negotiate a fair and reasonable compromise-apparently a lost art in Washington.

Uh, you mean following the laws that are already on the books? The ones where we deport people here illegally and not extend amnesty to criminals?

There is no political work that needs to be done. Just enforce the law, and keep the politicians away from that.

The political work that needs doing is fund INS/ICE , border patrol and the building of the fence.


The fines on Tyson Chicken, Mohawk Industries, etc would generate some/most/all the needed revenue. The savings in social services should be more than what is spent in total.

I personally do not agree with this law. I am totally against illegal immigration but I am equally against profiling. It would make the lives of everyday Mexican-Americans that much harder because there is the potential that someone like Arpaio would start to check IDs if you look "suspicious".

Profiling is illegal, Nomad. The law is clear. Your fears are no more reasonable than any other minority group... blacks, Mulsims, Jews, Chinese, gays claiming they were profiled. If it happens, you file suit and win... usually costing the offender his or her job.

(05-06-2010 08:30 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Profiling is illegal, Nomad. The law is clear. Your fears are no more reasonable than any other minority group... blacks, Mulsims, Jews, Chinese, gays claiming they were profiled. If it happens, you file suit and win... usually costing the offender his or her job.

Main Entry: profiling
Function: noun
Date: 1980

: the act or process of extrapolating information about a person based on known traits or tendencies <consumer profiling>; specifically : the act of suspecting or targeting a person on the basis of observed characteristics or behavior <racial profiling>

If a group of Klan members were harassing residents in a predominately black neighborhood, should a police officer pay special attention to a group of young white males in a large truck who don't seem to belong there?

(05-06-2010 03:10 PM)Stallion Wrote:  I'm pretty sure the reaction of this poster is exactly why the immigration problem does not have a political solution. Its a rare issue that cuts through traditional party lines. Remember George Bush made immigration reform a key proposal of his second term and barely could get any support from his own Republican Party. Ask yourself why and then you will be on your way to understanding what a difficult political issue this is. I can guarantee you it won't be solved by political posturing or hate speech directed toward Mexicans but can only be be solved by working across party lines to negotiate a fair and reasonable compromise-apparently a lost art in Washington.

You mean they are going to end the welfare state?....beccause...without doing that...this problem is going to continue. There is simply no way to stop motivated people from seeking a better life....We can at least not give them incentives to come.

(05-07-2010 01:15 AM)dwr0109 Wrote:  

(05-06-2010 08:30 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Profiling is illegal, Nomad. The law is clear. Your fears are no more reasonable than any other minority group... blacks, Mulsims, Jews, Chinese, gays claiming they were profiled. If it happens, you file suit and win... usually costing the offender his or her job.

Main Entry: profiling
Function: noun
Date: 1980

: the act or process of extrapolating information about a person based on known traits or tendencies <consumer profiling>; specifically : the act of suspecting or targeting a person on the basis of observed characteristics or behavior <racial profiling>

If a group of Klan members were harassing residents in a predominately black neighborhood, should a police officer pay special attention to a group of young white males in a large truck who don't seem to belong there?

Yes, they should pay special attention. That wouldn't be profiling as the police officer surely patrols that neighborhood often and is familiar with the general demographics of the residents. A large truck filled with people never seen before in this neighborhood would be defined as suspicious, especially since they would fit the description of suspects wanted in connection with the harassment.

Some friends of mine were once pulled over by about 3 police cars and detained because they fit the description of some bank robbers, including the vehicle. They were quickly released once everything was cleared up.

Sounds to me like the law was followed... so what's the problem

(05-06-2010 08:30 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Profiling is illegal, Nomad. The law is clear. Your fears are no more reasonable than any other minority group... blacks, Mulsims, Jews, Chinese, gays claiming they were profiled. If it happens, you file suit and win... usually costing the offender his or her job.

If you're male you pay more for car insurance. That's profiling too.

(05-07-2010 04:23 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(05-06-2010 08:30 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Profiling is illegal, Nomad. The law is clear. Your fears are no more reasonable than any other minority group... blacks, Mulsims, Jews, Chinese, gays claiming they were profiled. If it happens, you file suit and win... usually costing the offender his or her job.

If you're male you pay more for car insurance. That's profiling too.

That's a private company. Apples and Buicks.

Another kid suspended 3 days for taking down a Mexican flag.

I could respect someone else's flag if I were visiting their country, but I couldn't give a ratsass about their flag being flown here. Someone wants to be Mexican, or anything else, by all means GO be a Mexican.

(05-07-2010 07:31 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Another kid suspended 3 days for taking down a Mexican flag.

I could respect someone else's flag if I were visiting their country, but I couldn't give a ratsass about their flag being flown here. Someone wants to be Mexican, or anything else, by all means GO be a Mexican.