(05-07-2010 09:28 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(05-07-2010 09:26 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(05-07-2010 07:25 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  These children have been taught that only good things happen when playing the race card. It's their right to be Mexican first, American last.

I'm a human being first, American last.

...and a moron always.

F U Rebel

(05-07-2010 07:07 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(05-06-2010 05:41 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(05-06-2010 02:25 PM)jh Wrote:  

(05-06-2010 01:57 PM)moe24 Wrote:  

(05-06-2010 11:45 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  Where's the ACLU when you need them?

They're too busy attacking Christians for exercising their Constitutional right to freely express their religious beliefs.

Have either of you actually reviewed the ACLU's position on student expression? You might be surprised.

I haven't reviewed the ACLU's position of student expression, why should I, their extremely loud condemnation of what the school did to these kids is deafening.

Today 200 Mexican kids walked out of the school in protest, partly because the 5 kids weren't more harshly punished.

Sounds like the perfect opportunity to deport them.

For once I agree with you, at least the general sentiment.

(05-07-2010 09:26 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(05-07-2010 07:25 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  These children have been taught that only good things happen when playing the race card. It's their right to be Mexican first, American last.

I'm a human being first, American last.

You are either. You're an errand boy, sent by grocery clerks to collect a bill.

(05-07-2010 03:58 AM)jh Wrote:  Did you hear about the one about how they defended the kid who protested Michelle Obama's visit to his school? I sure didn't. Or the one protecting a student's right to wear a rebel flag on his shirt? How about the one where they fought for a student who wanted to wear an American flag shirt to commemorate 9/11? Somehow I missed those too.

Gotta ask, if you didn't hear about them then how did you hear about them?

(05-07-2010 03:58 AM)jh Wrote:  Why would the ACLU need to get involved in this case (though I have no doubt they would represent the students if they do choose to file suit)? The students aren't being punished. The district has already said that the school, not the students, violated district policy. What more needs to be done?

The ACLU is a beast - they waltz into a town and threaten to sue because they know that win, lose or draw that town has to reimburse the ACLU for it's time and effort. Nice, heh?

(05-08-2010 09:04 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(05-07-2010 03:58 AM)jh Wrote:  Did you hear about the one about how they defended the kid who protested Michelle Obama's visit to his school? I sure didn't. Or the one protecting a student's right to wear a rebel flag on his shirt? How about the one where they fought for a student who wanted to wear an American flag shirt to commemorate 9/11? Somehow I missed those too.

Gotta ask, if you didn't hear about them then how did you hear about them?

Seriously? Is this just you trying to be cute? Since I don't consider willful ignorance to be a badge of honor, I looked it up. The internet is a wonderful thing.

Quote:The ACLU is a beast - they waltz into a town and threaten to sue because they know that win, lose or draw that town has to reimburse the ACLU for it's time and effort. Nice, heh?

I haven't seen anything that suggests anything close to this (they do sometimes recover legal fees when they win). Where did you see this?

(05-08-2010 11:38 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(05-07-2010 09:26 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(05-07-2010 07:25 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  These children have been taught that only good things happen when playing the race card. It's their right to be Mexican first, American last.

I'm a human being first, American last.

You are either. You're an errand boy, sent by grocery clerks to collect a bill.

I don't understand where it's not ok to be a human being first and an American later on down the line. I've always been told to consider yourself a child of God first because he couldn't care less where you live in the world.

The depths of stupidity, when I don't think the country can go lower we do. Mexico has a day celebrating THEIR independence and in AMERICA kids wear AMERICAN flags on that day and are penalized. WOW..... Where is the allegiance to America? Where does any a day celebrating a foreign country's sovereignty reach a higher standard than America? the American flag? American institutions?

How pi$$ poor is California's public education system when they allow such poor thinking? Where is that liberal "open" mind to listen to others with a different viewpoint. Reality is that diversity of opinion is fine as long as you believe what we do or what we want you to believe. Our public educational system has more more closed minds than other institution in America.

(05-09-2010 04:51 AM)jh Wrote:  

(05-08-2010 09:04 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(05-07-2010 03:58 AM)jh Wrote:  Did you hear about the one about how they defended the kid who protested Michelle Obama's visit to his school? I sure didn't. Or the one protecting a student's right to wear a rebel flag on his shirt? How about the one where they fought for a student who wanted to wear an American flag shirt to commemorate 9/11? Somehow I missed those too.

Gotta ask, if you didn't hear about them then how did you hear about them?

Seriously? Is this just you trying to be cute? Since I don't consider willful ignorance to be a badge of honor, I looked it up. The internet is a wonderful thing.

Quote:The ACLU is a beast - they waltz into a town and threaten to sue because they know that win, lose or draw that town has to reimburse the ACLU for it's time and effort. Nice, heh?

I haven't seen anything that suggests anything close to this (they do sometimes recover legal fees when they win). Where did you see this?

It's called the 1976 Civil Rights Attorney Fee Act. Here's a link to some of the $$$ they've recieved. $$$$$$$$$$$

Bu

Quote:t it gets worse. In addition to the money that the ACLU rakes in through the use of the 1976 Civil Rights Attorney Fee Act, it also uses the threat of winning attorney fees as a means of intimidating groups and localities into backing down from taking certain actions out of fear that a lawsuit could incur major, even catastrophic expense.

For example, the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors decided to remove the tiny gold cross on the county seal rather than defend it against a threatened ACLU lawsuit. Many law firms offered to defend the County for free, but the County declined, fearing the potential costs. Meanwhile, fear of court-ordered fees also caused the City Council in Redlands, California to surrender to the ACLU’s demand that it remove a cross from its city seal.

This story was big news out here - the city of Redlands was afraid of the legal expenses they might have to pay the ACLU win, lose or draw. http://articles.latimes.com/2004/apr/29/...me-cross29

You keep repeating win, lose, or draw, but neither of your links back that up. The first link notes that the 1976 Civil Rights Attorney Fee Act allows a winning plantiff to collect attorney's fees. The second says that the city of Redlands was pretty sure they would lose the case. I don't see anything about the ACLU getting paid if they lose or draw.

(05-09-2010 03:08 PM)jh Wrote:  You keep repeating win, lose, or draw, but neither of your links back that up. The first link notes that the 1976 Civil Rights Attorney Fee Act allows a winning plantiff to collect attorney's fees. The second says that the city of Redlands was pretty sure they would lose the case. I don't see anything about the ACLU getting paid if they lose or draw.

I'm at work and can only spend limited time messing around. The Redlands case got a lot of press precisely due to the ACLU making money regardless if they win or lose and Redlands didn't want to foot the bill on paying them even if they won. I think O'rielly did a story on this case.

http://www.ci.redlands.ca.us/clerk/minut...0504rm.pdf

Quote:Legal representatives from the ACLU warned the City that if it failed to remove the cross from the logo in a timely manner, the ACLU would file a lawsuit against the City. The City Manager and City Attorney informed the City Council of their discussions with the ACLU and advised the City Council of the potential impacts associated with not complying with their request. It was staff's position that if the City decided to fight the ACLU on this matter, it was highly unlikely the City would prevail and the costs for defending this action and subsequently losing, would be significant. Staff conducted further research on the matter and discovered numerous cases throughout the country where cities had similar logo designs that were contested and found to be unconstitutional by the courts. In addition, the Alliance Defense Fund, a conservative Christian organization that finances litigation to defend issues of "religious liberty rights" and the protection of family values, did its own legal research and decided the City does not have a defensible case with the regard to the City logo with the cross. Given the circumstances of the situation, the City Manager informed the City Council he wished to take immediate action to remove and/or modify the City logo in order to meet the demands of the ACLU and to avoid costly litigation for the City. The City Council did not disagree with his decision.

Since the city's legal staff & a conservative Christian organization both agreed that the city did not have a defensible position, I'm not sure how having to pay legal costs if they won would have entered into the equation.

(05-09-2010 12:08 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  The depths of stupidity, when I don't think the country can go lower we do. Mexico has a day celebrating THEIR independence and in AMERICA kids wear AMERICAN flags on that day and are penalized. WOW..... Where is the allegiance to America? Where does any a day celebrating a foreign country's sovereignty reach a higher standard than America? the American flag? American institutions?

How pi$$ poor is California's public education system when they allow such poor thinking? Where is that liberal "open" mind to listen to others with a different viewpoint. Reality is that diversity of opinion is fine as long as you believe what we do or what we want you to believe. Our public educational system has more more closed minds than other institution in America.

It used to be that you had to pledge your allegiance to America to become a citizen. But in the age of the "New World Order", you are encouraged to be a child of the world first. This can never work. The hyphened-American spells trouble for All us patriotic Americans who pledge their allegiance to America. This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave. Bravery is in short supply. Leadership is non-existent.