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Well, here is a new wrinkle to the equation! 04-cheers

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Kentucky had a chance to become a football dynasty long ago. But Adolph Rupp ran Bear Bryant out of town...

Also, this is just an opinion column, and not a real possibility. It exits only in this writer's head...
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(05-02-2010 09:29 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Kentucky had a chance to become a football dynasty long ago. But Adolph Rupp ran Bear Bryant out of town...

Also, this is just an opinion column, and not a real possibility. It exits only in this writer's head...

Exactly, also when UK becomes a member of the AAU then call me.
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I like this article. It is a backhanded op-ed piece, that basically trashes KY's sports programs. I likey! :ncaabbs:
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It's a d@mn!ng commentary on how UK basketball has throttled the sport that brings in the most bucks, and continues to do so to this day. It concedes defeat in SEC football, basically saying they'll never win the SEC football crown...

What most people forget however, is that basketball was as big a moneymaker as football at the time many decisions were made. Most people are notoriously short-sighted though, which definitely makes life difficult, unless you have a man at the helm that is great at making decisions on the fly. Those are rare...
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When the Big 10 added PSU, it also talked to UK. Maybe UK wants the B10 to reconsider.04-cheers
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At that time, the Big Tin was the stronger conference in football. I guess they figured they had a better chance in the SEC back then...
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SEC was making the most money then, too.
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(05-02-2010 09:32 AM)Maize Wrote:  Exactly, also when UK becomes a member of the AAU then call me.

Not anytime soon :

Calipari's squad posts worst grades of UK teams
GPA for men's basketball drops to 7 1/2-year low; among lowest in SEC, point behind Louisville

John Calipari's first University of Kentucky team performed much better on the court than in the classroom. Its fall semester grades were the worst of all 20 UK athletic teams and the worst of any UK men's basketball team since spring 2002.

The same Kentucky team that won the Southeastern Conference regular-season and post-season tournament championships had a cumulative grade-point average of 2.025 for the fall semester, according to records obtained by the Herald-Leader through an open records request. That was the worst of nine SEC schools that gave their men's basketball GPAs to the newspaper.

Among teams outside the SEC willing to provide their GPAs for the fall semester, Duke (3.01), Louisville (3.0) and Kansas (2.95) all outperformed Kentucky.

"I was disappointed," UK President Lee T. Todd Jr. said recently.

"It's not something we're happy with, I'll tell you that," said Sandy Bell, UK's senior associate athletic director and the person in charge of student services. "And we'll be working on it to get it up. We certainly anticipate that going up in the spring" semester.

Through a spokesman, Calipari and UK Director of Athletics Mitch Barnhart declined to be interviewed for this story, citing "privacy concerns."

The UK players' individual GPAs in the fall semester ranged from 3.59 to 1.667. Four were at 2.0 or lower. Two were better than 3.0. (UK released only the individual averages, not the names of players who made the grades.)

Bell noted that UK players must have had at least a 1.8 grade-point average in the fall semester to be eligible in the spring, according to NCAA rules. Yet two UK players had GPAs below that standard: 1.667 and 1.765.

The minimum GPA requirement of 1.8 does not take effect until the start of an athlete's second year, so the 1.667 and 1.765 averages apparently belonged to players in their first years.

Athletes and their academic performance is a perennial topic. This year, the discussion reached a higher level when, in the midst of March Madness, U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan questioned how seriously some schools take academic performance by athletes. Duncan proposed that teams with graduation rates of less than 40 percent be banned from post-season play. (Kentucky's rate for the most recent group of men's basketball athletes tracked was 31 percent.)

After the basketball season ended and five UK players entered their names in the NBA Draft, the NCAA named a new chief, Mark A. Emmert, who has said he will continue the emphasis his predecessor, the late Myles Brand, put on academic requirements for athletes. Todd recently became a member of the NCAA Division I Board that Emmert will work with to improve academic performance.

The UK men's basketball team GPA for the fall semester fell short of the average for all undergraduate students (2.919) and for all freshmen at the school (2.818).

In December, Calipari proudly noted that freshman John Wall had all A's and B's in the fall semester, and UK touted three seniors plus junior Patrick Patterson on target to graduate this spring. So the burden of the 2.025 GPA appeared to fall on some combination of other players.

Bell cautioned against the assumption that any one group of players should be held responsible for the team grade-point average.

"It's not the freshmen," she said. "It's not the seniors. It's not any one group. It's kind of across the board and for a lot of different reasons."

Bell suggested that the change in coaches, from Billy Gillispie to Calipari, adversely affected academic performance as players and a new staff adjusted to each other and to UK's academic standards. She also said upperclassmen were taking difficult classes to complete requirements for a degree.

Every college coach must balance the desire for standout players with the need to have athletes who can succeed as students. Todd asked Calipari about that high-wire act before offering him the coaching job last spring.

After noting that 19 of the 22 players who played four seasons for him at the University of Memphis graduated, Calipari told the UK president that he placed great importance on classroom performance.
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LOL. Sorry but IK doesnt enough to BigTen and they would be stupid trying to leave SEC
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I forget what WVU's aggregate GPA was. But I do know it's above 2.5. I just don't remember the exact figure. If somebody has it, feel free to post. I've got a case of that which killed the cat about it now...
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It isn't that far fetched:
1. Big 10's payout per school was $22 million. The SEC payout from 2009 was less then that but I suspect overall the payments are pretty close and overall probably slightly higher for the SEC.
2. UK research expenditures is high enough to be in the same league as the AAU. If the Big 16 had 15 AAU members that wanted to invite UK to the AAU, then Kentucky would be in the AAU.
3. Much better basketball in the Big 10, and when it expands (12, 14, 16) it will only get better. Plus the proximity to other basketball-first schools (and wealthier basketball fans) would mean UK could build a basketball arena as big as a football stadium and fill it.
Think about a conference with these members: Kentucky, Indiana, Syracuse*, Kansas*. They'd have to move the Big 10 Championship to Lucas Oil Stadium. Not to mention it would make the Big 10 Channel a necessity for college basketball fans around the country. The negative is that UK wouldn't win the conference every year (and students might need a C average minimum), but they're gonna get a bid to the tournament every year anyways.

Odds are 2% maybe that UK thinks about it, but it isn't the dumbest idea.
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(05-02-2010 03:05 PM)GreenMississippi Wrote:  It isn't that far fetched:

Just responding as best I can:

1. Big 10's payout per school was $22 million. The SEC payout from 2009 was less then that but I suspect overall the payments are pretty close and overall probably slightly higher for the SEC. - The Big Ten actually pays out quite a bit more per school, and is growing. The SEC revenue will be steady for the next 15 or so years. Plus being the southernmost member of a conference (football) is a bonus when you recrrit in the south

2. UK research expenditures is high enough to be in the same league as the AAU. If the Big 16 had 15 AAU members that wanted to invite UK to the AAU, then Kentucky would be in the AAU. - Not even a little bit. UK i snot anywhere near that level

3. Much better basketball in the Big 10, and when it expands (12, 14, 16) it will only get better. Plus the proximity to other basketball-first schools (and wealthier basketball fans) would mean UK could build a basketball arena as big as a football stadium and fill it. - UK cannot build a new arena. Lexington is too small to build an arena similar to Louisville, and they will never build a scaled down version, of what Louisville just built. Plus, I think they enjoy their dominance.

Think about a conference with these members: Kentucky, Indiana, Syracuse*, Kansas*. They'd have to move the Big 10 Championship to Lucas Oil Stadium. Not to mention it would make the Big 10 Channel a necessity for college basketball fans around the country. The negative is that UK wouldn't win the conference every year (and students might need a C average minimum), but they're gonna get a bid to the tournament every year anyways. - First, I'd like to point out this was my argument for a Big east network. Basketball is what gets the network on basic cable (even the Big Ten Network), and the Current big east, plus a few select additions from the A-10 and ACC (I know, but MD and BC would at least listen) could create a two conference juggernaut that would dominate northeastern TV and get lower tiered clearances around the country. But second, this conference still isn't better than the current Big East.

Odds are 2% maybe that UK thinks about it, but it isn't the dumbest idea. - I think UK's administration would probably do it in a heartbeat. It would improve their sports and academics across the board, allow their football team to actually win some games (I mean, let's face it, Big Ten football is severely overrated). The only downside for them, and it is a big one, is that they will realize what it means to play in a real basketball conference. But they will never be asked, so it is irrelevant.
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Yet another baseless rumor. It is just the favor of the day for this week. Tomorrow I am sure someone will come up with another configuration to get some more tweets.
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(05-02-2010 04:52 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  Yet another baseless rumor. It is just the favor of the day for this week. Tomorrow I am sure someone will come up with another configuration to get some more tweets.


For some reason, I had a dream last night that invovled St. Boneventure joining The Big Ten. So let's go with that one. 03-melodramatic
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(05-02-2010 03:58 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Just responding as best I can:

1. Big 10's payout per school was $22 million. The SEC payout from 2009 was less then that but I suspect overall the payments are pretty close and overall probably slightly higher for the SEC. - The Big Ten actually pays out quite a bit more per school, and is growing. The SEC revenue will be steady for the next 15 or so years. Plus being the southernmost member of a conference (football) is a bonus when you recrrit in the south
I doubt the SEC will let the disparity grow, especially if they win another BCS Championship. They'll have excellent grounds for renegotiation. The best football conference in the nation ought to be compensated commiserate with their ability...
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I wonder how much longer we will have to read all these useless news articles? Big 10, hurry up and get off the pot or $hit, damn it! 04-cheers
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All the other points are valid, but I do have this question:
(05-02-2010 03:58 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  2. UK research expenditures is high enough to be in the same league as the AAU. If the Big 16 had 15 AAU members that wanted to invite UK to the AAU, then Kentucky would be in the AAU. - Not even a little bit. UK i snot anywhere near that level
UK's Carnegie Classification
Undergraduate Instructional Program: Prof+A&S/HGC: Professions plus arts & sciences, high graduate coexistence
Graduate Instructional Program: CompDoc/MedVet: Comprehensive doctoral with medical/veterinary
Enrollment Profile: HU: High undergraduate
Undergraduate Profile: FT4/S/HTI: Full-time four-year, selective, higher transfer-in
Size and Setting: L4/R: Large four-year, primarily residential
Basic RU/VH: Research Universities (very high research activity)

An RU/VH w/ med school and the States primary institution fits the profile of an AAU school (and a Big 10 school). And their ranking in research expenditure is higher than several Big 10 and Big East candidate schools. Only thing that doesn't fit is their high transfer-in rate, but they would not be the only AAU school with that classification.

Don't get me wrong, I think most UK fans are toothless rednecks, but the school academically isn't the worst in the world.
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(05-02-2010 05:12 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(05-02-2010 03:58 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Just responding as best I can:

1. Big 10's payout per school was $22 million. The SEC payout from 2009 was less then that but I suspect overall the payments are pretty close and overall probably slightly higher for the SEC. - The Big Ten actually pays out quite a bit more per school, and is growing. The SEC revenue will be steady for the next 15 or so years. Plus being the southernmost member of a conference (football) is a bonus when you recrrit in the south
I doubt the SEC will let the disparity grow, especially if they win another BCS Championship. They'll have excellent grounds for renegotiation. The best football conference in the nation ought to be compensated commiserate with their ability...

Not really. Common wisdom is ESPN overpaid them to begin with. So ESPN will not be ready to here such arguments. Further, due to the population base, the SEC cannot really use a threat of a conference network as leverage, which is regional by nature, since there are not enough households in their footprint to make more money than they already are from ESPN, without the risk. Having three states with multiple teams, and a footprint that includes largely rural states, and consisting of mostly non-afflunt states really puts a burden on them doing so. Being a national draw is where their bread wil be buttered, not a conference network. Unfortunately, they may be stupid enough to try.

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(05-02-2010 05:59 PM)GreenMississippi Wrote:  Don't get me wrong, I think most UK fans are toothless rednecks, but the school academically isn't the worst in the world.


I am familiar with the univeristy. It is not a bad school. But it is nowhere near any of the Big Ten schools or ACC schools. Is is also nowhere near any of the Big East or Big XII schools being considered. It just isn't. They do have a few graduate programs that are exemplorary, but overall, it just is not there.

Now, it coudl be there, but our state is run by idiots. The University of Lousiville has several top notch schools, and instead of doign what most states do, maximiaze funding at each school for eac program, they decided to duplicate grad programs at UK that UofL was already doing well, and split the funding (unevenly of course). Being a small state, that was very unnecessary to do. If things were streamlined, both schools could be serious players in different fields, and the smaller state schools would be improved as well.

After transferring from Western Kentucky University, I was stunned at how well The university system of Maryland was run, and how each University had a different purpose, and how well they worked with Johns Hopkins, the premier research institution in the country. And it was awesome how seemlessly I could take different classes at different universities ( I went to Towson University, but took other classes I wanted at two different Univeristy of Maryland campuses).
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