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(04-23-2010 07:00 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(04-23-2010 06:39 PM)I45owl Wrote:  
President Obama Wrote:Unless your business model depends on bilking people, there's little to fear...

GM Pays Back TARP Loans With...TARP Loans!
http://reason.com/blog/2010/04/23/gm-pay...ans-withta Wrote:During his testimony [Inspector General for TARP Neil] Barofsky addressed GMs recent debt repayment activity, and stated that the funds GM is using to repay its TARP debt are not coming from GM earnings. Instead, GM seems to be using TARP funds from an escrow account at Treasury to make the debt repayments. The most recent quarterly report from the Office of the Special Inspector General for TARP says "The source of funds for these quarterly [debt] payments will be other TARP funds currently held in an escrow account."...

attn: campaign adviser for ******* for president 2012
Not sure I believe this but who knows.

How are you not sure about it? Who knows? Well, apparently everyone but you.

It can't be repeated often enough. Your an idiot.
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Ed Whitacre says they are paying the money back 5 years early, guess he left out the part of borrowing that money from the TARP escrow funds. People have refused to buy GM because of the bailout.GM's PR campaign (paid for by the taxpayers BTW) has fallen short, and maybe even hurt GM's recovery. Maybe the final nail in the GM coffin.
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(04-23-2010 07:38 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Ed Whitacre says they are paying the money back 5 years early, guess he left out the part of borrowing that money from the TARP escrow funds. People have refused to buy GM because of the bailout.GM's PR campaign (paid for by the taxpayers BTW) has fallen short, and maybe even hurt GM's recovery. Maybe the final nail in the GM coffin.

I've driven GM wheels since the late 80s. I now have a VW and a BMW in my driveway.
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(04-23-2010 07:44 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(04-23-2010 07:38 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Ed Whitacre says they are paying the money back 5 years early, guess he left out the part of borrowing that money from the TARP escrow funds. People have refused to buy GM because of the bailout.GM's PR campaign (paid for by the taxpayers BTW) has fallen short, and maybe even hurt GM's recovery. Maybe the final nail in the GM coffin.

I've driven GM wheels since the late 80s. I now have a VW and a BMW in my driveway.

I've driven GM products almost exclusively since the mid 70's. My next vehicle wont be one.
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(04-23-2010 07:38 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Ed Whitacre says they are paying the money back 5 years early, guess he left out the part of borrowing that money from the TARP escrow funds. People have refused to buy GM because of the bailout.GM's PR campaign (paid for by the taxpayers BTW) has fallen short, and maybe even hurt GM's recovery. Maybe the final nail in the GM coffin.
Their sales are just fine. Losing a few uninformed tea-baggers isn't going to put them out of business.
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(04-23-2010 09:54 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(04-23-2010 07:38 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Ed Whitacre says they are paying the money back 5 years early, guess he left out the part of borrowing that money from the TARP escrow funds. People have refused to buy GM because of the bailout.GM's PR campaign (paid for by the taxpayers BTW) has fallen short, and maybe even hurt GM's recovery. Maybe the final nail in the GM coffin.
Their sales are just fine. Losing a few uninformed tea-baggers isn't going to put them out of business.

Sales are just fine, compared to what? GM used to be the #1 car maker in the world, what are they now 26th?
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(04-23-2010 07:38 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Ed Whitacre says they are paying the money back 5 years early, guess he left out the part of borrowing that money from the TARP escrow funds. People have refused to buy GM because of the bailout.GM's PR campaign (paid for by the taxpayers BTW) has fallen short, and maybe even hurt GM's recovery. Maybe the final nail in the GM coffin.

I've driven GM wheels since the late 80s. I now have a VW and a BMW in my driveway.
Maybe you should think about moving to "socialist" Germany too? I can't believe you would buy cars from a "socialist" country built by union labor.
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(04-23-2010 10:05 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Maybe you should think about moving to "socialist" Germany too? I can't believe you would buy cars from a "socialist" country built by union labor.

If that Beamer is a X series or a Z series ... it's made right here in Greenville-Spartanburg, South Carolina.
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(04-23-2010 10:05 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Maybe you should think about moving to "socialist" Germany too? I can't believe you would buy cars from a "socialist" country built by union labor.

If that Beamer is a X series or a Z series ... it's made right here in Greenville-Spartanburg, South Carolina.

He wouldn't understand. He gets confused watching C-SPAN.
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There should be no doubt now, that this is a failed PR ploy. Except in Roberta's mind.

Did General Motors Really Repay Its Taxpayer Bailout?
By Chuck Grassley - FOXNews.com
The Republican senator from Iowa questions GM's big news this week, in which it claimed it had paid off its government loan


General Motors announced this week that it repaid its multibillion-dollar taxpayer-backed TARP loans. GM even bragged that it was able to “repay the taxpayers in full, with interest, ahead of schedule, because more customers are buying [GM] vehicles.” There was great fanfare, including expensive, around-the-clock GM TV commercials nationwide. But, the hype is not the reality. In fact, GM did not repay the loans with money it earned from selling cars. Instead, GM repaid the TARP loans with money it withdrew from another TARP fund at the Treasury Department.

The day before the GM story broke, Neil Barofsky, the government TARP watchdog, testified before the Senate Finance Committee. He explained that GM did not use earnings to repay its TARP debt. The April quarterly report to Congress from his office stated: “The source of funds for these quarterly [debt] payments will be other TARP funds currently held in an escrow account.”

GM filings with the SEC reveal that GM was paying 7 percent interest on a $6.7 billion TARP debt. The filings also confirm that the source of funds for GM’s debt repayments was a multibillion-dollar TARP-funded escrow account at Treasury; that means it was taxpayer money — not earnings.

Meanwhile, in all the fanfare and patting themselves on the back, Treasury and GM made no mention of what happened to the $2.5 billion loan GM owes its union health care plan. The union loan carries a 9 percent interest rate and runs until 2017. Don’t most Americans try to pay off their higher-interest debts first? Well, the union loan was not paid off. Why not? Does the union get to keep collecting 9 percent from GM until 2017, courtesy of the American taxpayer, while taxpayers give up a 7 percent return over the next five years in exchange for the hope that GM stock will be worth more than what we paid for it, someday down the road?

It is far from clear how GM and the Obama administration could honestly say, much less trumpet in prime-time television ads, that GM repaid its TARP loans in any meaningful way. The reality is that GM got additional TARP billions from a Treasury escrow account filled with taxpayer dollars. Taxpayers have not been paid back “in full” and are still on the hook for the TARP stock investment in GM. Whether taxpayer funds are ultimately recovered depends upon the administration’s ability to sell GM stock at a profit some day. Of course, we all hope it works out that way, and it might. But, the American people deserve more than puffed-up press releases and misleading commercials claiming that GM paid its loans back to the government with money it earned. I recognize that one of the goals of the GM ad campaign is to build trust, but GM did it all wrong, apparently with some help from the administration. Shifting bailout money from GM debt to GM stock is not the same as repaying it. Stock is riskier than debt. Maybe it’s a good idea. Maybe it’s a step in the right direction, maybe not. Only time will tell. But, we should be clear with the American people about what happened here.


The Wall Street Journal reports that Treasury is beginning to admit the truth. Treasury claims the source of the funds was “clearly disclosed” all along. Well, that might be technically true. However, to understand the disclosure you have to be a sophisticated investor with time to pore over the fine print buried in massive SEC filings and government reports prepared by independent watchdogs with teams of auditors. The average citizen, on the other hand, just sees the GM CEO saying that GM has paid back the taxpayer “in full.” The truth is that GM originally received over $49 billion from the US government and many billions remain to be recouped. That is why we were told at the Senate Finance Committee hearing that TARP losses related to the auto companies are expected to exceed $30 billion.

The timing of this maneuver also is troubling. The administration’s so-called Financial Crisis Responsibility Fee, a TARP excise tax intended to recover TARP losses, was the subject of the Finance Committee hearing. The Office of Management and Budget, and the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, estimate that overall taxpayer TARP losses will exceed $100 billion, and the auto companies will account for over 30 percent of that amount, more than $30 billion. So why does the president exclude the auto companies from his TARP excise tax proposal? I raised this issue at the hearing. I noted that GM refused to testify. The next day we learned that GM, with the permission of Treasury, withdrew billions from the TARP escrow fund and accelerated the repayment of the entire GM TARP loan. Immediately, GM and the administration launched a public relations campaign touting “repayment.”

Regardless of the motive, this situation is a perfect example of the shenanigans caused by excessive government intervention in the economy. Being honest with the American people is not optional. The sooner these extraordinary entanglements between taxpayer and the private sector are over, the better.

U.S. Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa is the ranking member of the Senate Finance Committee and a senior member of the Judiciary and Budget Committees.
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(04-23-2010 10:05 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Maybe you should think about moving to "socialist" Germany too? I can't believe you would buy cars from a "socialist" country built by union labor.

If that Beamer is a X series or a Z series ... it's made right here in Greenville-Spartanburg, South Carolina.

He wouldn't understand. He gets confused watching C-SPAN.
I understand that quality drops when car companies start building cars in the south. Toyota is a great example of what happens when you have inexperienced rednecks builing cars.
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Faux News and a Republican senator? Yeah, two of the most reliable sources on the planet. 03-lmfao
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(04-24-2010 10:37 AM)RobertN Wrote:  I understand that quality drops when car companies start building cars in the south. Toyota is a great example of what happens when you have inexperienced rednecks builing cars.

Except that the Prius is made and has always been made exclusively in China and Japan. At least Toyota didn't ask for government bailout money like liberal wasteland GM did.
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(04-24-2010 10:37 AM)RobertN Wrote:  
(04-24-2010 12:39 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  
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(04-23-2010 10:05 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Maybe you should think about moving to "socialist" Germany too? I can't believe you would buy cars from a "socialist" country built by union labor.

If that Beamer is a X series or a Z series ... it's made right here in Greenville-Spartanburg, South Carolina.

He wouldn't understand. He gets confused watching C-SPAN.
I understand that quality drops when car companies start building cars in the south. Toyota is a great example of what happens when you have inexperienced rednecks builing cars.

Yeah, because it's just so logical to assume that when you pay ridiculous sums for salaries and benefits to union workers that there would just be more money left to invest in quality vs. there is less money left for quality after lowering salaries and benefits. 01-wingedeagle

More proof of the illogical workings of the liberal brain.
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Hope Hull, AL - Hyundai
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Tuscaloosa, AL - Mercedes Benz
Vance, AL - Mercedes Benz
West Point, GA - Kia
Georgetown, KY - Toyota
Blue Springs, MS - Toyota
Canton, MS - Nissan
Tupelo, MS - Toyota
Spartanburg, SC - BMW
Chattanooga, TN - Volkswagen
Smyrna, TN - Nissan
San Antonio, TX - Toyota
Buffalo, WV - Toyota

Buh-bye Detroit.
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Detroit wants something for nothing. That includes the auto companies,unions and the PEOPLE. ****ing leeches sucking blood out of the rest of us.
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(04-24-2010 10:37 AM)RobertN Wrote:  I understand that quality drops when car companies start building cars in the south. Toyota is a great example of what happens when you have inexperienced rednecks builing cars.

Except that the Prius is made and has always been made exclusively in China and Japan. At least Toyota didn't ask for government bailout money like liberal wasteland GM did.
You do know that Toyota gets LOTS of help/money from the Japanese government don't you? Of course not. Just about every car company recieves government help/money from their country's government. I know, I know. THat is them and this is America but this is putting the American car companies at a disadvantage.
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(04-24-2010 02:57 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  Detroit wants something for nothing. That includes the auto companies,unions and the PEOPLE. ****ing leeches sucking blood out of the rest of us.
Why do you hate America?
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(04-24-2010 03:23 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(04-24-2010 12:21 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(04-24-2010 10:37 AM)RobertN Wrote:  I understand that quality drops when car companies start building cars in the south. Toyota is a great example of what happens when you have inexperienced rednecks builing cars.

Except that the Prius is made and has always been made exclusively in China and Japan. At least Toyota didn't ask for government bailout money like liberal wasteland GM did.
You do know that Toyota gets LOTS of help/money from the Japanese government don't you? Of course not. Just about every car company recieves government help/money from their country's government. I know, I know. THat is them and this is America but this is putting the American car companies at a disadvantage.

Wrong. Only collectivist nations own/bailout their auto manufacturers. Most do give tax incentives (read: lower taxes), but that's only in the short term, and the government's return on investment on that is quite good. Moreover, Japan actually has THE highest corporate tax rate in the world. Second place, if you're curious, is the United States.
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Just saw the commercial. How the hell could Whitacre get on tv with a straight face and tell such a blatant lie? The company you keep, I guess.
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