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Feds: Don't expect immediate help if you get nuked.
And Bush was crucified for Katrina...

The White House has warned state and local governments not to expect a "significant federal response" at the scene of a terrorist nuclear attack for 24 to 72 hours after the blast, according to a planning guide.

President Obama told delegates from 47 nations at the Nuclear Security Summit on Tuesday that it would be a "catastrophe for the world" if al-Qaeda or another terrorist group got a nuclear device, because so many lives would be lost and it would be so hard to mitigate damage from the blast.

A 10-kiloton nuclear explosion would level buildings within half a mile of ground zero, generate 900-mph winds, bathe the landscape with radiation and produce a plume of fallout that would drift for hundreds of miles, the guide says. It was posted on the Internet and sent to local officials.

The document is designed to help local officials craft plans for responding to a nuclear blast. The prospect is anything but far-fetched, says Rick Nelson of the Center for Strategic and International Studies. "Do I think in my lifetime I'll see the detonation of a nuclear device? I do."

One challenge he says, will be to persuade survivors to stay indoors, shielded from dangerous radiation until they're given the all-clear or told to evacuate. "In all likelihood, families will be separated," he says. "It's going to be scary to sit tight, though it's the right thing to do."

The government's planning scenarios envision a terrorist strike in an urban area with a 10-kiloton device, slightly smaller than the roughly 15-kiloton Hiroshima bomb. A 10-kiloton device packs the punch of 10,000 tons of TNT.

The chaos that would inevitably follow such a blast would make it difficult for the federal government to react quickly. "Emergency response is principally a local function," the document says, though "federal assistance will be mobilized as rapidly as possible."

The "Planning Guidance for Response to a Nuclear Detonation" was developed by a task force headed by the White House Homeland Security Council. It was circulated to state and local government officials and first responders in January 2009.

The report has never been formally released to the public, White House spokesman Nick Shapiro says.

It offers practical guidance to first responders and advice on radiation measurement and decontamination.

Disaster experts say local governments aren't prepared for a nuclear attack. "There isn't a single American city, in my estimation, that has sufficient plans for a nuclear terrorist event," says Irwin Redlener of Columbia University's Mailman School of Public Health.

The message for families is simple, he says: Stay put. Wait for instructions. If you've been outside, dust off, change, shower. "What citizens need to know fits on a wallet-sized card," Redlener says. "A limited amount of information would save tens of thousands of people."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/...lans_N.htm
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Yes, a storm and a big a$$ FN bomb are the same things. 01-wingedeagle
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(04-14-2010 01:53 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Yes, a storm and a big a$$ FN bomb are the same things. 01-wingedeagle

Yeah, he says if you get nuked, don't expect a quick response. I guess in your partisan mind that makes sense. Bush did everything but beg that dumb ***** Blanco to declare a state of emergency. She, a partisan like you, didn't until her own ass was on the line of incompetence.
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(04-14-2010 01:53 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Yes, a storm and a big a$$ FN bomb are the same things. 01-wingedeagle

Actually, a hurricane does far more damage, over a much larger area. So, your sarcasm, other than being backward, is warranted.
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(04-14-2010 02:03 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(04-14-2010 01:53 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Yes, a storm and a big a$$ FN bomb are the same things. 01-wingedeagle

Yeah, he says if you get nuked, don't expect a quick response. I guess in your partisan mind that makes sense. Bush did everything but beg that dumb ***** Blanco to declare a state of emergency. She, a partisan like you, didn't until her own *** was on the line of incompetence.

Had Nagin and Blanco followed thir own disaster plans and got the people out BEFORE the storm hit, then we wouldn't be chopping holes in roofs to get people out of attics.

But Nagin didn't want to activate the plans because of the cost and because he thought the storm would hit closer to Alabama.

That really makes a lot of sense when you have a high Cat 4 storm and you are the mayor of a city that is 9 feet below sea level.
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(04-14-2010 02:05 PM)Paul M Wrote:  
(04-14-2010 01:53 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Yes, a storm and a big a$$ FN bomb are the same things. 01-wingedeagle

Actually, a hurricane does far more damage, over a much larger area. So, your sarcasm, other than being backward, is warranted.

A hurricane also takes days to make land fall. I'm not sure how long it would take a missle to reach it's target. Does this also include suitcase bombs?
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(04-14-2010 02:26 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  
(04-14-2010 02:05 PM)Paul M Wrote:  
(04-14-2010 01:53 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Yes, a storm and a big a$$ FN bomb are the same things. 01-wingedeagle

Actually, a hurricane does far more damage, over a much larger area. So, your sarcasm, other than being backward, is warranted.

A hurricane also takes days to make land fall. I'm not sure how long it would take a missle to reach it's target. Does this also include suitcase bombs?

Local Officials in New Orleans had plenty of time to start getting people out.

When I lived 20 miles from the Gulf of Mexico and 2 miles from Galveston Bay I had to move out at least 4 times in 10 years because of incoming Hurricanes that eventually veered off or fell part close to shore.

Its part of living close to the coast.
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The hurricane hit Mississippi directly, but I guess there were too many white people there for the MSM to give a damn.They also rebuilt without bitching for monies from Uncle Sugar like a bunch of entitlement-minded leeches.
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This story is a big "Duh!?!!"

Anybody who lives with the idea that the Federal Gov't will step in and save them when a disaster hits will likely not survive anyway. Darwin at work. Intellectual lightweights need not apply. This article was written for them.
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Instead of worrying about what we're gonna do after a nuke strike, why don't we do something to prevent one? How 'bout we stop letting the most likely people who would do this into the country? Let's keep them the fvck out and seal our borders. If we get nuked and it turns out the terrorists slipped past our porous border there will be hell to pay - that is if they actually release that info.
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(04-14-2010 02:03 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(04-14-2010 01:53 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Yes, a storm and a big a$$ FN bomb are the same things. 01-wingedeagle

Yeah, he says if you get nuked, don't expect a quick response. I guess in your partisan mind that makes sense. Bush did everything but beg that dumb ***** Blanco to declare a state of emergency. She, a partisan like you, didn't until her own *** was on the line of incompetence.

WhyThefuck don't these liberalAssholes understand that the President is required to be asked by the Gov. of the state before the military can be deployed on US home soil.01-wingedeagle01-wingedeagle
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(04-14-2010 02:26 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  
(04-14-2010 02:05 PM)Paul M Wrote:  
(04-14-2010 01:53 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Yes, a storm and a big a$$ FN bomb are the same things. 01-wingedeagle

Actually, a hurricane does far more damage, over a much larger area. So, your sarcasm, other than being backward, is warranted.

A hurricane also takes days to make land fall. I'm not sure how long it would take a missle to reach it's target. Does this also include suitcase bombs?


Immaterial argument. We've had decades to prepare for a nuclear blast. The report specifically says "Emergency Response is principally a local function."... not Nuclear blast response, or unexpected catastrophy response... but emergency response... and THIS is with an acknowledgement that local communities aren't in any way prepared to deal with this sort of problem... despite stories for years that terrorists had suitcase bombs... Are you telling me New Orleans wasn't, or shouldn't have been expected to be prepared for a hurricane?
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(04-14-2010 09:26 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(04-14-2010 02:26 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  
(04-14-2010 02:05 PM)Paul M Wrote:  
(04-14-2010 01:53 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Yes, a storm and a big a$$ FN bomb are the same things. 01-wingedeagle

Actually, a hurricane does far more damage, over a much larger area. So, your sarcasm, other than being backward, is warranted.

A hurricane also takes days to make land fall. I'm not sure how long it would take a missle to reach it's target. Does this also include suitcase bombs?


Immaterial argument. We've had decades to prepare for a nuclear blast. The report specifically says "Emergency Response is principally a local function."... not Nuclear blast response, or unexpected catastrophy response... but emergency response... and THIS is with an acknowledgement that local communities aren't in any way prepared to deal with this sort of problem... despite stories for years that terrorists had suitcase bombs... Are you telling me New Orleans wasn't, or shouldn't have been expected to be prepared for a hurricane?

I think the "suitcase nuke" is mainly myth. The US had a "SADM" back in the 1960's that weighed about 160 pounds and had a yield of less than a kiloton.

http://www.brookings.edu/projects/archiv.../madm.aspx
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(04-14-2010 04:59 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Instead of worrying about what we're gonna do after a nuke strike, why don't we do something to prevent one? How 'bout we stop letting the most likely people who would do this into the country? Let's keep them the fvck out and seal our borders. If we get nuked and it turns out the terrorists slipped past our porous border there will be hell to pay - that is if they actually release that info.
Sounds like Faux forgot to mention the nuclear summit.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100413/ap_o...conference

As for the other crap. Blah, blah, blah lets not allow Muslims into the country. How about we round up all of them and place them into "camps" too.
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(04-14-2010 06:38 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  
(04-14-2010 02:03 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(04-14-2010 01:53 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Yes, a storm and a big a$$ FN bomb are the same things. 01-wingedeagle

Yeah, he says if you get nuked, don't expect a quick response. I guess in your partisan mind that makes sense. Bush did everything but beg that dumb ***** Blanco to declare a state of emergency. She, a partisan like you, didn't until her own *** was on the line of incompetence.

WhyThefuck don't these liberalAssholes understand that the President is required to be asked by the Gov. of the state before the military can be deployed on US home soil.01-wingedeagle01-wingedeagle
Not if they have their own militia. Then the state can do whatever they want. So Paul, ya joining that good 'ol boys militia in Oklahoma?
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(04-15-2010 02:14 AM)RobertN Wrote:  
(04-14-2010 06:38 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  
(04-14-2010 02:03 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(04-14-2010 01:53 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Yes, a storm and a big a$$ FN bomb are the same things. 01-wingedeagle

Yeah, he says if you get nuked, don't expect a quick response. I guess in your partisan mind that makes sense. Bush did everything but beg that dumb ***** Blanco to declare a state of emergency. She, a partisan like you, didn't until her own *** was on the line of incompetence.

WhyThefuck don't these liberalAssholes understand that the President is required to be asked by the Gov. of the state before the military can be deployed on US home soil.01-wingedeagle01-wingedeagle
Not if they have their own militia. Then the state can do whatever they want. So Paul, ya joining that good 'ol boys militia in Oklahoma?

The militia has nothing to do with it. Roberta, you are seriously out of YourFuckingMind.
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(04-14-2010 02:40 PM)Rebel Wrote:  The hurricane hit Mississippi directly, but I guess there were too many white people there for the MSM to give a damn.They also rebuilt without bitching for monies from Uncle Sugar like a bunch of entitlement-minded leeches.

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(04-15-2010 02:14 AM)RobertN Wrote:  
(04-14-2010 06:38 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  
(04-14-2010 02:03 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(04-14-2010 01:53 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Yes, a storm and a big a$$ FN bomb are the same things. 01-wingedeagle

Yeah, he says if you get nuked, don't expect a quick response. I guess in your partisan mind that makes sense. Bush did everything but beg that dumb ***** Blanco to declare a state of emergency. She, a partisan like you, didn't until her own *** was on the line of incompetence.

WhyThefuck don't these liberalAssholes understand that the President is required to be asked by the Gov. of the state before the military can be deployed on US home soil.01-wingedeagle01-wingedeagle
Not if they have their own militia. Then the state can do whatever they want. So Paul, ya joining that good 'ol boys militia in Oklahoma?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

Educate yourself, Shirley. The reason the CG were exempt is because they fell under the DOT, now the DHS, not the DoD.
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(04-15-2010 01:41 AM)RobertN Wrote:  As for the other crap. Blah, blah, blah lets not allow Muslims into the country. How about we round up all of them and place them into "camps" too.

I never mentioned Muslims. It would seem you're profiling again. Racist.
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(04-15-2010 08:54 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  
(04-15-2010 02:14 AM)RobertN Wrote:  
(04-14-2010 06:38 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  
(04-14-2010 02:03 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(04-14-2010 01:53 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Yes, a storm and a big a$$ FN bomb are the same things. 01-wingedeagle

Yeah, he says if you get nuked, don't expect a quick response. I guess in your partisan mind that makes sense. Bush did everything but beg that dumb ***** Blanco to declare a state of emergency. She, a partisan like you, didn't until her own *** was on the line of incompetence.

WhyThefuck don't these liberalAssholes understand that the President is required to be asked by the Gov. of the state before the military can be deployed on US home soil.01-wingedeagle01-wingedeagle
Not if they have their own militia. Then the state can do whatever they want. So Paul, ya joining that good 'ol boys militia in Oklahoma?

The militia has nothing to do with it. Roberta, you are seriously out of YourFuckingMind.
You are right. Silly me. The militia was originally to take on the federal government not work with it.
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