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Health Care "Reform" Bill Cancels Congress' Health Coverage
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/13/us/pol...ss&emc=rss

Quote:Baffled by Health Plan? So Are Some Lawmakers
By ROBERT PEAR
Published: April 12, 2010


WASHINGTON — It is often said that the new health care law will affect almost every American in some way. And, perhaps fittingly if unintentionally, no one may be more affected than members of Congress themselves.

In a new report, the Congressional Research Service says the law may have significant unintended consequences for the “personal health insurance coverage” of senators, representatives and their staff members.

For example, it says, the law may “remove members of Congress and Congressional staff” from their current coverage, in the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, before any alternatives are available.

The confusion raises the inevitable question: If they did not know exactly what they were doing to themselves, did lawmakers who wrote and passed the bill fully grasp the details of how it would influence the lives of other Americans?

The law promises that people can keep coverage they like, largely unchanged. For members of Congress and their aides, the federal employees health program offers much to like. But, the report says, the men and women who wrote the law may find that the guarantee of stability does not apply to them.

“It is unclear whether members of Congress and Congressional staff who are currently participating in F.E.H.B.P. may be able to retain this coverage,” the research service said in an 8,100-word memorandum.

And even if current members of Congress can stay in the popular program for federal employees, that option will probably not be available to newly elected lawmakers, the report says.

Moreover, it says, the strictures of the new law will apply to staff members who work in the personal office of a member of Congress. But they may or may not apply to people who work on the staff of Congressional committees and in “leadership offices” like those of the House speaker and the Democratic and Republican leaders and whips in the two chambers.

These seemingly technical questions will affect 535 members of Congress and thousands of Congressional employees. But the issue also has immense symbolic and political importance. Lawmakers of both parties have repeatedly said their goal is to provide all Americans with access to health insurance as good as what Congress has.

Congress must now decide what steps, if any, it can take to deal with the problem. It could try for a legislative fix, or it could adopt internal policies to minimize any disruptions.

In its painstaking analysis of the new law, the research service says the impact on Congress itself and the intent of Congress are difficult to ascertain.

The law apparently bars members of Congress from the federal employees health program, on the assumption that lawmakers should join many of their constituents in getting coverage through new state-based markets known as insurance exchanges.

But the research service found that this provision was written in an imprecise, confusing way, so it is not clear when it takes effect.

The new exchanges do not have to be in operation until 2014. But because of a possible “drafting error,” the report says, Congress did not specify an effective date for the section excluding lawmakers from the existing program.

Under well-established canons of statutory interpretation, the report said, “a law takes effect on the date of its enactment” unless Congress clearly specifies otherwise. And Congress did not specify any other effective date for this part of the health care law. The law was enacted when President Obama signed it three weeks ago.

In addition, the report says, Congress did not designate anyone to resolve these “ambiguities” or to help arrange health insurance for members of Congress in the future.

“This omission, whether intentional or inadvertent, raises questions regarding interpretation and implementation that cannot be definitively resolved by the Congressional Research Service,” the report says. “The statute does not appear to be self-executing, but rather seems to require an administrating or implementing authority that is not specifically provided for by the statutory text.”

The White House said last month that Mr. Obama would voluntarily participate in the health insurance exchange, though the law does not require him or other administration officials to do so. His participation as president may depend on his getting re-elected in 2012.

Representative Jason Chaffetz, Republican of Utah, said lawmakers were in the same boat as many Americans, trying to figure out what the new law meant for them.

“If members of Congress cannot explain how it’s going to work for them and their staff, how will they explain it to the rest of America?” Mr. Chaffetz asked in an interview.

The provision governing members of Congress can be traced to the Senate Finance Committee. When the panel was working on the legislation last September, Senator Charles E. Grassley, Republican of Iowa, proposed an amendment to require that elected federal officials and all federal employees buy coverage through an exchange, “rather than using the traditional Federal Employees Health Benefits Program.”

A scaled-back version of the amendment, applying to members of Congress and their aides, was accepted in the committee without objection.

The federal employees program, created in 1959, now provides coverage to eight million people and, according to the Congressional Research Service, is the largest employer-sponsored health insurance program in the country.
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So you are saying that you are upset that they would actually have to live with the plans everyone else has? I thought you guys on the right WANTED this if the bill passed? You guys are unbelievable.
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(04-13-2010 12:09 PM)RobertN Wrote:  So you are saying that you are upset that they would actually have to live with the plans everyone else has? I thought you guys on the right WANTED this if the bill passed? You guys are unbelievable.

Um, no. You're not all that good at reading comprehension are you?

It's hilarious and ironic that, after trying to pass the health care bill at lightning speed and refusing to cover themselves with the public option, they are so ignorant of their own bill that they didn't even know they were canceling their own health coverage.
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(04-13-2010 12:09 PM)RobertN Wrote:  So you are saying that you are upset that they would actually have to live with the plans everyone else has? I thought you guys on the right WANTED this if the bill passed? You guys are unbelievable.

He said "Oops". How do you get "so what your saying" blah, blah, blah from that? Of course they should have to live with what they wrought. But they have exempted themselves. Or at least thought they did. Have no fear though. If there's any problem with them keeping their gold star plans, they will call a special session to fix it, same as they call special sessions to screw the rest of us
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(04-13-2010 12:20 PM)Paul M Wrote:  
(04-13-2010 12:09 PM)RobertN Wrote:  So you are saying that you are upset that they would actually have to live with the plans everyone else has? I thought you guys on the right WANTED this if the bill passed? You guys are unbelievable.

He said "Oops". How do you get "so what your saying" blah, blah, blah from that? Of course they should have to live with what they wrought. But they have exempted themselves. Or at least thought they did. Have no fear though. If there's any problem with them keeping their gold star plans, they will call a special session to fix it, same as they call special sessions to screw the rest of us

What are the chances the Republicans stand up and reject special treatment. 05-stirthepot
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(04-13-2010 01:53 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  
(04-13-2010 12:20 PM)Paul M Wrote:  
(04-13-2010 12:09 PM)RobertN Wrote:  So you are saying that you are upset that they would actually have to live with the plans everyone else has? I thought you guys on the right WANTED this if the bill passed? You guys are unbelievable.

He said "Oops". How do you get "so what your saying" blah, blah, blah from that? Of course they should have to live with what they wrought. But they have exempted themselves. Or at least thought they did. Have no fear though. If there's any problem with them keeping their gold star plans, they will call a special session to fix it, same as they call special sessions to screw the rest of us

What are the chances the Republicans stand up and reject special treatment. 05-stirthepot

'bout the same as you making a post without 05-stirthepot

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(04-13-2010 01:53 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  What are the chances the Republicans stand up and reject special treatment. 05-stirthepot

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Pelosi said you have to pass it to find out what's in it. 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao
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Wouldn't this be an excellent chance for the republicans to stand on principle and oppose special treatment? Might help them out in November. But they're probably too stupid to do it.
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I agree owl, but I;m really sick of this argument..

Here's something that is wrong in the bill just passed by a democratic congress and president...

The dems are good people

No they aren't, they suck...

what have the republicans done to fix it??

bs bs bs bs bs

why does it matter?? Either its wrong or its right. This isn't a freakin' sport where we have "teams".

If it's not right, then ADMIT its not right and tell your congressman. This is ESPECIALLY true if he is from your party. Obama doesn't really care what most classic Republicans think of him... they aren't going to vote for him no matter WHAT he does... but he DOES care what democrats think of him. THAT is what is stupid about this country.
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Hambone, I'm taking a slightly different tack.

I think it should NOT be fixed because I'm tired of congress being a privileged class.

I don't think congress should be able to give themselves preferential treatment on anything, and I think that all laws providing for any preferential treatment should be repealed. Anything that exempts congress from a requirement that is imposed on the rest of us, or provides congress any benefit that is not available to the rest of us, should be rendered null and void immediately.

I suppose I could have said it would be good for either party to include this proposal in their platform. I said republicans because (1) they are the minority party, and (2) at least in theory, they are the ones usually associated with fiscal responsibility--although after 8 years of Shrub, about all they can really say now is the democrats are poving to be even MORE fiscally irresponsible.

I meant it more in the sense that it would be a good idea and advantageous to whatever party adopted it, rather than making a partisan statement either way.

Which party do I expect to adopt it? Neither.
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it wasn't YOUR argument I am tired of... I'm tired of the cd4029 and RobertN (in THIS post, but among MANY MANY others in other places on both sides) argument.

Either things are right or wrong... certainly plenty of gray... but when both sides agree that something is wrong (as in this case)... why do we let the argument denigrate into a well (in this case) the republicans are no better so its somehow okay that the dems in charge aren't fixing it.

We'll disagree on PLENTY of things... when we agree, we should force action rather than suddenly become cheerleaders for our "team" and their ineptness (is that a word?).
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(04-13-2010 08:58 AM)Rebel Wrote:  
(04-13-2010 08:49 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  
(04-13-2010 08:32 AM)Rebel Wrote:  
(04-13-2010 08:29 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  good. make it an even playing field, and things will improve.

Yeah right. You think the rich have loopholes? You ain't seen nuthin' like what the feudal lords can do.

if they're smart enough to come up with them...they apparently weren't smart enough to get it squared away for themselves to begin with.

No, they'll actually take the time to read the **** when it affects them, and take the steps to avert it.

...and from a poster here:

(04-13-2010 10:26 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  yep. During some globally supported or reasonable bill, there will be a $30byn rider that solves their problem

AMAZING WHAT CAN HAPPEN WHEN ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS DECIDE YOU WANT SOMETHING BECAUSE SOMEBODY ELSE IS PAYING FOR IT
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I wonder if congress has the balls to try to pass legislation that gives them better health care insurance than what we get. If they do, I wonder if they'll do it behind closed doors. I'm guessing they'll quietly fix their insurance problem with a rider to some other bill and since it affects all of them we'll probably never hear about it.
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