(03-07-2010 07:17 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  Calhoun benched seniors for the entire second half. UCONN played with mostly freshmen during the 2nd half. Dyson, Robinson and Edwards were all sitting on the bench the just about the entire 2nd half. UCONN seniors didn't show and Calhoun said he should have benched in the ND game. This is one ugly UCONN season. Calhoun also said those seniors won't start in the BET either. Little used UCONN freshmen actually made a run in the 2nd half and got pretty close in the final secs of the game.

I'd like to see the coach of a particular team I root for start doing that.

When a team's season becomes so disappointing that people generally can't stomach it, wins and losses are secondary to sending a message to those who aren't getting it.

Kudos to Calhoun for taking that path

He got some advice from Huggs, although it didn't work out as well as it did for WVU when Huggy did that...

(03-07-2010 02:41 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  

(03-07-2010 07:17 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  Calhoun benched seniors for the entire second half. UCONN played with mostly freshmen during the 2nd half. Dyson, Robinson and Edwards were all sitting on the bench the just about the entire 2nd half. UCONN seniors didn't show and Calhoun said he should have benched in the ND game. This is one ugly UCONN season. Calhoun also said those seniors won't start in the BET either. Little used UCONN freshmen actually made a run in the 2nd half and got pretty close in the final secs of the game.

I'd like to see the coach of a particular team I root for start doing that.

When a team's season becomes so disappointing that people generally can't stomach it, wins and losses are secondary to sending a message to those who aren't getting it.

Kudos to Calhoun for taking that path

This has been one of the most disappointing season in a while for UCONN fans. It is one of the two worst teams in a while. I don't understand how these guys get it up for big games but lost to teams they got no business losing to.

Funny thing is after seniors were benched, all the little used reserves actually played well against the Bulls and cut the deficit to within 2 points. Hopefully it means these freshmen will play better next season.

I think Cincy team is kind of similar. They got some issues between the ears too. Cronin should bench these guys. What does he has to lose at this point.

I think I gonna watch UCONN women play right now on ESPNU. They are going for their 70th win in the BET. They are going to tie their own 70th winning streak and hopefully break it against ND tomorrow. Standing in the way are the ugly Orange fruits. UCONN girls at least came to play. They are up by 25 with 5 mins left in the 1st half. Contratry to what certain Orange fan has said, the game looks to be a sellout in a 18K arena.

I wasn't specifically discussing "seniors" per se... simply the general notion of benching people.

But, yeah, I'm sure Jim would have gotten more effect out of it by doing that earlier in the year.

(03-07-2010 02:55 PM)KnightChris Wrote:  

(03-07-2010 02:41 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  

(03-07-2010 07:17 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  Calhoun benched seniors for the entire second half.

I'd like to see the coach of a particular team I root for start doing that.

When a team's season becomes so disappointing that people generally can't stomach it, wins and losses are secondary to sending a message to those who aren't getting it.

What exactly is the point in sending a message to seniors in their last game? So they can play harder in Europe next season? or so they can learn some valuable life lesson that will no doubt serve them well later in life.

Frankly, they have played so poorly they don't deserve to be on the court period. The frustrating part is Calhoun knows they are capable of playing much much better. I really don't know what's going on with these guys especially Dyson. The fact UCONN freshmen reserves played way better than they did in the 2nd half showed how bad those guys were performing. Hopefully, they will come off the bench in the BET and do something positive for their team. At this point, who the hell knows who will show up in the BET.

(03-07-2010 02:26 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(03-07-2010 10:12 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  USF won that game because Dominique Jones and Augustus Gilchrist are studs. I don't think UConn had any input in the discussion...

The way UCONN been playing lately they probably couldn't beat Yale. Seriously, there is something wrong between the ears with these guys. USF is a nice team, but this is kind of the team UCONN normally would have no trouble beating in the past. It is what it is.

Really? You mean like the #17 UConn team from two years ago that was lucky to hit a last second shot to beat USF 74-73
The reality is that USF has played UConn tough at home and this is USF's best year since we have been in the Big East so Im not that surprised they beat UConn. It is what it is UConn got beaten because USF played a good game and not just because UConn's seniors did not play up to par.

(03-07-2010 03:34 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(03-07-2010 02:26 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(03-07-2010 10:12 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  USF won that game because Dominique Jones and Augustus Gilchrist are studs. I don't think UConn had any input in the discussion...

The way UCONN been playing lately they probably couldn't beat Yale. Seriously, there is something wrong between the ears with these guys. USF is a nice team, but this is kind of the team UCONN normally would have no trouble beating in the past. It is what it is.

Really? You mean like the #17 UConn team from two years ago that was lucky to hit a last second shot to beat USF 74-73
The reality is that USF has played UConn tough at home and this is USF's best year since we have been in the Big East so Im not that surprised they beat UConn. It is what it is UConn got beaten because USF played a good game and not just because UConn's seniors did not play up to par.

There is no need to get into UCONN basketball vs. USF basketball because it is not a debate. The fact you beat UCONN for the 1st time ever speaks volume where you guys came from.

Congrats on the win though. You guys certainly played better yesterday.

(03-07-2010 02:22 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(03-07-2010 10:26 AM)CD11 Wrote:  I couldn't agree more. The differences between Depaul and Syracuse are trifling at best. They're basically the same team.

Considering Cuse barely beat Depaul, you might be right

Cuse won 59-57 against Depaul when they played. Also, Depaul lead most of the game until the final sec.

Must feel good to have a clue what you are talking about for the 1st time You should go out and celebrate while you got the chance.

the fact that you evidently had no idea that i was being completely sarcastic - and therefore blatantly making fun of you - speaks volumes.

(03-07-2010 03:34 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(03-07-2010 02:26 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(03-07-2010 10:12 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  USF won that game because Dominique Jones and Augustus Gilchrist are studs. I don't think UConn had any input in the discussion...

The way UCONN been playing lately they probably couldn't beat Yale. Seriously, there is something wrong between the ears with these guys. USF is a nice team, but this is kind of the team UCONN normally would have no trouble beating in the past. It is what it is.

Really? You mean like the #17 UConn team from two years ago that was lucky to hit a last second shot to beat USF 74-73
The reality is that USF has played UConn tough at home and this is USF's best year since we have been in the Big East so Im not that surprised they beat UConn. It is what it is UConn got beaten because USF played a good game and not just because UConn's seniors did not play up to par.

It's a losing cause Cuban. USF didn't win yesterday. UConn lost because:

1) Hangover from ND game
2) UConn seniors aren't playing with enough effort
3) UConn plays "Down" to teams like USF

Congrats on you guys getting lucky though and beating UConn!

Lets look at it another way all of USF's 2-3 star players beat UConn's 4-5 star recruits. Guess those recruit rankings mean nothing. and calhoun is failing in coaching them. LOL

(03-07-2010 04:19 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Lets look at it another way all of USF's 2-3 star players beat UConn's 4-5 star recruits. Guess those recruit rankings mean nothing. and calhoun is failing in coaching them. LOL

That brings up an interesting point for discussion, which hopefully won't turn into a pissing contest.

Say that UConn's roster is full of 4-5 star recruits and Calhoun is a HOF coach--so what exactly IS the problem?

(03-07-2010 04:11 PM)CD11 Wrote:  

(03-07-2010 02:22 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(03-07-2010 10:26 AM)CD11 Wrote:  I couldn't agree more. The differences between Depaul and Syracuse are trifling at best. They're basically the same team.

Considering Cuse barely beat Depaul, you might be right

Cuse won 59-57 against Depaul when they played. Also, Depaul lead most of the game until the final sec.

Must feel good to have a clue what you are talking about for the 1st time You should go out and celebrate while you got the chance.

the fact that you evidently had no idea that i was being completely sarcastic - and therefore blatantly making fun of you - speaks volumes.

Sarcasm is often misunderstood when the target is overly sensitive about a particular issue. With some people it never sinks in, and zooms about 70,000 feet over their head...

(03-07-2010 04:11 PM)CD11 Wrote:  

(03-07-2010 02:22 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(03-07-2010 10:26 AM)CD11 Wrote:  I couldn't agree more. The differences between Depaul and Syracuse are trifling at best. They're basically the same team.

Considering Cuse barely beat Depaul, you might be right

Cuse won 59-57 against Depaul when they played. Also, Depaul lead most of the game until the final sec.

Must feel good to have a clue what you are talking about for the 1st time You should go out and celebrate while you got the chance.

the fact that you evidently had no idea that i was being completely sarcastic - and therefore blatantly making fun of you - speaks volumes.

The fact you don't understand my sarcastic response back speaks volume about you

You certainly got no clue what I was saying from the start. We got bunch of BE teams that can win and lose on any given night. If you don't see that, I don't know what to tell you. Then again, it won't surprise me a bit if truth hit you square in the face and you will still miss it.

(03-07-2010 04:27 PM)Yosemite Panther Wrote:  

(03-07-2010 04:19 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Lets look at it another way all of USF's 2-3 star players beat UConn's 4-5 star recruits. Guess those recruit rankings mean nothing. and calhoun is failing in coaching them. LOL

That brings up an interesting point for discussion, which hopefully won't turn into a pissing contest.

Say that UConn's roster is full of 4-5 star recruits and Calhoun is a HOF coach--so what exactly IS the problem?

It comes down to not making plays at key moments of the game. Stupid executions that caused the game to go the other way.

I have listed 7 games UCONN could have won but didn't. Let me give couple of examples:

1) In the Kentucky game, they make the FTs and they would won.
2) Marquette - did not stop Butler from making a last sec winning shot.
3) UL game at UCONN - Dyson had the game and he threw the ball to an UL player.
4) GTOWN - could not hold a 19 points lead.
5) Michigan - Just played dumb.

Problem with this team is between the ears. They lack mental toughness at key moments of games. Last year AJ Price was the glue that held the team together. This year, Dyson thought he is the man but he has not delivered in key moments. Had they won half of those games that were close, UCONN won't even be on the bubble or in the hole they are in now.

If a team is not ranked, this team somehow does not show up for whatever reason. This same team is also the team that blew out NOVA, WVU and Texas yet losing to teams they got no business losing to like Providence, Michigan, Cincy, USF and so on.

Bottom line is there will be most likely 4-6 players off this roster that will play in the NBA. For whatever reason, they just can't seem to get it together for one game and deliver. Is it coaching? Maybe. Bottom line is you got to play 5 on 5 and for many teams, this team plays 2 on 5 with Dyson and Walker taking turns going to the hole resulting in either foul calls or turnovers. Walker has gotten better last 5 or 6 games but Dyson still does not get it. If games were played 1 on 1, many UCONN players would win that contest. Unfortunately, they don't play the game that way. Kemba Walker is the most talented PG in the BE and he will only get better.

Turnovers are what killed this team. They just made way too many of them. All this comes down to lack of mental toughness. Also playing one of the toughest schedule in the country did not help the cause.

The only thing that this team has in common with many other UCONN teams of the past is that they all wore UCONN uniforms.

(03-07-2010 04:19 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Lets look at it another way all of USF's 2-3 star players beat UConn's 4-5 star recruits. Guess those recruit rankings mean nothing. and calhoun is failing in coaching them. LOL

You really are misinformed. Calhoun has proved it over and over he might be the best coach in the country right now. He does not has to prove a thing to anyone. Every now and then, UCONN will have a bad team and this is one of them. Give it another 2-3 years and you might see another UCONN team going deep into the NCAA and for that 3rd national title. It is a pattern I have seen a few times already.

LOL Dude Every fan can mention games like those
as a USF fan I could say that the same USF team that beat Pitt, Georgetown and UConn loses to Central Michigan and St Johns.
Just realize that opponents had something to do with those loses. Your team lost 11 games in conference that says that this team is NOT that great playing as a team and you can blame that on your coach or on the players but it gets tiring of you sounding like this UConn team only loses because of itself never because of the opponent.
You would be pissed if I started saying that USF football only loss to UConn because they didnt play well.
Get over it give congratulations to the opponent and move on.

(03-07-2010 07:21 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(03-07-2010 06:28 AM)USFMike Wrote:  stanley robinson >> wes johnson

After watching both played bunch of times, Stanley is right there with Wes Johnson skill wise. There isn't much seperating the two other than that Johnson plays on a better team right now.

Below are the stats for both players YTD.

Wesley Johnson #4 F
2009-10 STATS
PPG APG 3P% RPG BPG SPG
15.6 2.5 .379 8.6 1.9 1.7

Stanley Robinson #21 F
2009-10 STATS
PPG APG 3P% RPG BPG SPG
15.2 1 .361 7.8 1.2 1

Stanley's game is more suited for the NBA than college.

Of course, having a clue what you are talking would be a new experience for you.

i'm laughing at your mancrush for sticks robinson. i'll tell you what you can have flake robinson, just about every nba scout, myself, and practically everyone else on this board will take wesley, who so far has done more for his team this year than "sticks" has ever done in his 4 underachieving years at uconn. it's fitting he spent his last game sulking on the bench while the rookies had to show him how to play with heart.

and btw nostradamus didn't you predict an easy win against us? i guess you're the one without a clue and like i said three weeks ago enjoy the NIT and have fun knowing we put you there. you should thank us for exposing your "senior leaders" for what they are

(03-07-2010 08:26 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(03-07-2010 04:11 PM)CD11 Wrote:  

(03-07-2010 02:22 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(03-07-2010 10:26 AM)CD11 Wrote:  I couldn't agree more. The differences between Depaul and Syracuse are trifling at best. They're basically the same team.

Considering Cuse barely beat Depaul, you might be right

Cuse won 59-57 against Depaul when they played. Also, Depaul lead most of the game until the final sec.

Must feel good to have a clue what you are talking about for the 1st time You should go out and celebrate while you got the chance.

the fact that you evidently had no idea that i was being completely sarcastic - and therefore blatantly making fun of you - speaks volumes.

The fact you don't understand my sarcastic response back speaks volume about you

You certainly got no clue what I was saying from the start. We got bunch of BE teams that can win and lose on any given night. If you don't see that, I don't know what to tell you. Then again, it won't surprise me a bit if truth hit you square in the face and you will still miss it.

Here's a visual representation of every thread in the past year or so that's involved UConn in any way at all...

SF:

Someone in response:

SF:

Someone else:

SF:

Someone else:

SF:

Which ultimately ends in: :rolltide:

(03-07-2010 02:55 PM)KnightChris Wrote:  

(03-07-2010 02:41 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  

(03-07-2010 07:17 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  Calhoun benched seniors for the entire second half.

I'd like to see the coach of a particular team I root for start doing that.

When a team's season becomes so disappointing that people generally can't stomach it, wins and losses are secondary to sending a message to those who aren't getting it.

What exactly is the point in sending a message to seniors in their last game? So they can play harder in Europe next season? or so they can learn some valuable life lesson that will no doubt serve them well later in life.

the message is also inclusive for the BET and NIT if they make it......

(03-07-2010 04:27 PM)Yosemite Panther Wrote:  

(03-07-2010 04:19 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Lets look at it another way all of USF's 2-3 star players beat UConn's 4-5 star recruits. Guess those recruit rankings mean nothing. and calhoun is failing in coaching them. LOL

That brings up an interesting point for discussion, which hopefully won't turn into a pissing contest.

Say that UConn's roster is full of 4-5 star recruits and Calhoun is a HOF coach--so what exactly IS the problem?

why dont yu ask nd, they get the best athletes for all sports and come up short often...............