Some of the links are now broken. So how accurate it is I do not know. I tried to verify, but many of these links are not working, so it is not possible to verify the numbers.


1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.

Verify at: http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pa...enters7fd8


2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.



Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML





3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML




4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!



Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0...dt..0.HTML





5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.



Verify at http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0...dt.01.HTML





6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.



Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/%20TRANscript...dt.01.HTML




7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.



Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANscriptS/0...dt.01.HTML <http://transcripts/..




8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.



Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.HTML




9. $200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.



Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSC%20RI%2...dt.01.HTML






10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US .




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11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries.. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the US from the Southern border.




Verify at: Homeland Security Report:





12. The National policy Institute, estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.'



Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute..org/PDF/deportation.PDF



13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances to their countries of origin.



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14.. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One million sex crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States .'


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The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR AND IF YOU'RE LIKE ME HAVING TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY; IT IS $338,300,000,000.00 WHICH WOULD BE ENOUGH TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY.

We wonder why we have a problem with both dems and repubs.

For the life of me, I don't understand why this is not our #1 issue.

I see this everywhere I go. MD, VA, OH, UT, AZ. It gets worse all the time. If the gov't doesn't do anything about this, what's really left?

(03-01-2010 02:51 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  For the life of me, I don't understand why this is not our #1 issue.

Oh yes you do. It's all about getting the right vote counts, and not about doing the right thing.

(03-01-2010 02:54 PM)moe24 Wrote:  

(03-01-2010 02:51 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  For the life of me, I don't understand why this is not our #1 issue.

Oh yes you do. It's all about getting the right vote counts, and not about doing the right thing.

Repubs want cheap labor slaves, Dems want voters.

(03-01-2010 02:57 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(03-01-2010 02:54 PM)moe24 Wrote:  

(03-01-2010 02:51 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  For the life of me, I don't understand why this is not our #1 issue.

Oh yes you do. It's all about getting the right vote counts, and not about doing the right thing.

Repubs want cheap labor slaves, Dems want voters.

Finally sir, I believe I agree with you. Either way, if you put your foot down on the issue you are going to need new support because someone is going to drop you. I'd much rather spend the money deporting them than keeping them for an indefinite amount of time.

I still support the fact that America is a place for all who want to come in to work and better their lives but there is a right and a wrong way to do it. I actually wouldn't mind giving them information on how to get in the right way and allowing their American-born children to come back when they are the right age to take care of themselves.

I don't necessarily buy into the idea that Hispanic voters = Democrat voters.

(03-01-2010 03:08 PM)Rebel Wrote:  I don't necessarily buy into the idea that Hispanic voters = Democrat voters.

No but illegal aliens voters = Democrat voters.

No voter register is screened for citizenship, even though citizenship is required.

Another failed Federal program.

Get rid of the Military, and we'd have a budget surplus. All that crap you listed put together leaves us with a deficit.

(03-01-2010 03:20 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Get rid of the Military, and we'd have a budget surplus. All that crap you listed put together leaves us with a deficit.

The military isn't an optional entity.

(03-01-2010 03:20 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Get rid of the Military, and we'd have a budget surplus. All that crap you listed put together leaves us with a deficit.

Moronic. If you save that (350B) over 10 years it would negate the deficit.

Spending that on illegals is like having a second military force.

(03-01-2010 02:06 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR AND IF YOU'RE LIKE ME HAVING TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY; IT IS $338,300,000,000.00 WHICH WOULD BE ENOUGH TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY.

Of course, your conclusion assumes that there is zero contribution to the economy by illegal immigrants. Many file income tax returns, all of them pay sales taxes (in states where they exist), all of those who are are paid over the table pay income and social security taxes. And of course they make purchases in the US economy (hey stimulus!).

I doubt that the illegal immigrant contribution is near $338 billion, but it's also not trivial.

And just so we're clear, I'm not an advocate of undocumented workers. I find it particularly appalling that we've got laws that are being ignored, with the government's de facto blessing because certain components of our economy (agriculture, textiles, etc.) depend on this particular labor force. I'd like this issue to be settled but I don't think it's nearly as simple as just chucking illegal aliens.

(03-01-2010 04:15 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Of course, your conclusion assumes that there is zero contribution to the economy by illegal immigrants. Many file income tax returns, all of them pay sales taxes (in states where they exist), all of those who are are paid over the table pay income and social security taxes. And of course they make purchases in the US economy (hey stimulus!).

I doubt that the illegal immigrant contribution is near $338 billion, but it's also not trivial.

And just so we're clear, I'm not an advocate of undocumented workers. I find it particularly appalling that we've got laws that are being ignored, with the government's de facto blessing because certain components of our economy (agriculture, textiles, etc.) depend on this particular labor force. I'd like this issue to be settled but I don't think it's nearly as simple as just chucking illegal aliens.

How does one file taxes without a social security number? As for sales taxes, those are state and local. We could alleviate all of this with the FairTax.

(03-01-2010 04:15 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(03-01-2010 02:06 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR AND IF YOU'RE LIKE ME HAVING TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY; IT IS $338,300,000,000.00 WHICH WOULD BE ENOUGH TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY.

Of course, your conclusion assumes that there is zero contribution to the economy by illegal immigrants. Many file income tax returns, all of them pay sales taxes (in states where they exist), all of those who are are paid over the table pay income and social security taxes. And of course they make purchases in the US economy (hey stimulus!).

I doubt that the illegal immigrant contribution is near $338 billion, but it's also not trivial.

And just so we're clear, I'm not an advocate of undocumented workers. I find it particularly appalling that we've got laws that are being ignored, with the government's de facto blessing because certain components of our economy (agriculture, textiles, etc.) depend on this particular labor force. I'd like this issue to be settled but I don't think it's nearly as simple as just chucking illegal aliens.

Their contribution is minimal at best. Who says they pay income taxes, tell me how that works? Fraudulent use of SS#? What they might contribute in sales tax or property tax thru rent wouldn't even pay for the ones locked up. You have a good point but I think we agree that they are a net consumer of public funds. They live better here than their own countries on the taxpayers dime, its why they come here and will not leave even if jobs dry up.

Call me crazy but I think this is our biggest problem for American taxpayer.

(03-01-2010 04:35 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(03-01-2010 04:15 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Of course, your conclusion assumes that there is zero contribution to the economy by illegal immigrants. Many file income tax returns, all of them pay sales taxes (in states where they exist), all of those who are are paid over the table pay income and social security taxes. And of course they make purchases in the US economy (hey stimulus!).

I doubt that the illegal immigrant contribution is near $338 billion, but it's also not trivial.

And just so we're clear, I'm not an advocate of undocumented workers. I find it particularly appalling that we've got laws that are being ignored, with the government's de facto blessing because certain components of our economy (agriculture, textiles, etc.) depend on this particular labor force. I'd like this issue to be settled but I don't think it's nearly as simple as just chucking illegal aliens.

How does one file taxes without a social security number?

1) Individual Taxpayer Identification Number

Quote:The IRS issues ITINs to individuals who are required to have a taxpayer identification number but who do not have, and are not eligible to obtain, a Social Security Number.

2) Illegal SS #s

(03-01-2010 04:44 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(03-01-2010 04:15 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(03-01-2010 02:06 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR AND IF YOU'RE LIKE ME HAVING TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY; IT IS $338,300,000,000.00 WHICH WOULD BE ENOUGH TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY.

Of course, your conclusion assumes that there is zero contribution to the economy by illegal immigrants. Many file income tax returns, all of them pay sales taxes (in states where they exist), all of those who are are paid over the table pay income and social security taxes. And of course they make purchases in the US economy (hey stimulus!).

I doubt that the illegal immigrant contribution is near $338 billion, but it's also not trivial.

And just so we're clear, I'm not an advocate of undocumented workers. I find it particularly appalling that we've got laws that are being ignored, with the government's de facto blessing because certain components of our economy (agriculture, textiles, etc.) depend on this particular labor force. I'd like this issue to be settled but I don't think it's nearly as simple as just chucking illegal aliens.

Their contribution is minimal at best. Who says they pay income taxes, tell me how that works? Fraudulent use of SS#? What they might contribute in sales tax or property tax thru rent wouldn't even pay for the ones locked up. You have a good point but I think we agree that they are a net consumer of public funds. They live better here than their own countries on the taxpayers dime, its why they come here and will not leave even if jobs dry up.

Call me crazy but I think this is our biggest problem for American taxpayer.

I don't have the data but I can recall reading multiple articles less than 5 years ago stating that illegal immigrant contributions were nearly on balance with their consumption of services. It's a fair guess that, with the troubled economy, it's more to the consumption side now, but I'm not certain that it's so far as to make the contribution "minimal."

I won't call you crazy but I'd guess that our economy's biggest problems have more to do with the tax and regulatory burden on businesses.

(03-01-2010 05:17 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  I don't have the data but I can recall reading multiple articles less than 5 years ago stating that illegal immigrant contributions were nearly on balance with their consumption of services.

I remember those too. I just never believed them. Social scientists have a knack for leaving out details that don't support their theses. I believe they overlooked (or undervalued) many of the terms they used in their studies.

As for what's a bigger bane on the economy, you're probably right about the gov't.

But, they aren't mutually exclusive, and I'm in favor of addressing all of these problems.

(03-01-2010 05:03 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(03-01-2010 04:35 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(03-01-2010 04:15 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Of course, your conclusion assumes that there is zero contribution to the economy by illegal immigrants. Many file income tax returns, all of them pay sales taxes (in states where they exist), all of those who are are paid over the table pay income and social security taxes. And of course they make purchases in the US economy (hey stimulus!).

I doubt that the illegal immigrant contribution is near $338 billion, but it's also not trivial.

And just so we're clear, I'm not an advocate of undocumented workers. I find it particularly appalling that we've got laws that are being ignored, with the government's de facto blessing because certain components of our economy (agriculture, textiles, etc.) depend on this particular labor force. I'd like this issue to be settled but I don't think it's nearly as simple as just chucking illegal aliens.

How does one file taxes without a social security number?

1) Individual Taxpayer Identification Number

Quote:The IRS issues ITINs to individuals who are required to have a taxpayer identification number but who do not have, and are not eligible to obtain, a Social Security Number.

2) Illegal SS #s

Perfect, our gov't enables illegal immigration.

(03-01-2010 05:22 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(03-01-2010 05:17 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  I don't have the data but I can recall reading multiple articles less than 5 years ago stating that illegal immigrant contributions were nearly on balance with their consumption of services.

I remember those too. I just never believed them. Social scientists have a knack for leaving out details that don't support their theses. I believe they overlooked (or undervalued) many of the terms they used in their studies.

As for what's a bigger bane on the economy, you're probably right about the gov't.

But, they aren't mutually exclusive, and I'm in favor of addressing all of these problems.

Not that it's any more of a selling point (in fact, you may consider it just the opposite), but there were a number of prominent economists behind the evaluations. And the arguments made some sense, to me anyway.

Generally agree with your point about addressing all of these problems. I just don't think this one is as close to the top of the list as some others.