(02-24-2010 01:47 PM)RobertN Wrote:  You sir need to get to a psychiatrist ASAP.

Why? I need a driver's license to drive and to prove my age and identity. I needed my birth certificate the last time I was hired. These days proving who you are is important. How do we really know the idiot claiming to be Barry is the real Barry?

Stanly Why are you so dismissive about questions about the so called facts? There are unknowns. You have to admit that "natural born citizen" clause of the constitution has never been fully settled by the SCOTUS. Why? If there are questions and it is not settled, you cannot dismiss questions raised by citizens. We have a constitutional right of redress of grievances. Yet you and alot of other people do so dismiss out of hand because you have been spoonfed your whole life. Some people are starting to puke it up and demand better.

Sum, there are only two answers to the birth certifiate question: either he has one or he doesn't. A question has been raised about his citizenship and Obama has refused to answer it and it's only natural to ask why. I'm not claiming he's not a citizen, but as his employer I want this question asnwered.

When his birth certificate and school records finally do become public, he will be shown to be an upright citizen or an opportunistic liar. I wonder if Vegas has a line?

How embarrassing for the people of Arizona. It's bad enough to have a political figure make a fool of themselves by advancing kooky conspiracy theories, but it's so much worse when they are allowed to make public policy based on them.

(02-24-2010 09:17 PM)GilWinant Wrote:  How embarrassing for the people of Arizona. It's bad enough to have a political figure make a fool of themselves by advancing kooky conspiracy theories, but it's so much worse when they are allowed to make public policy based on them.

I agree. The nerve of those idiots wanting someone to prove they meet Constitutionally-required eligibility requirements to run for President. Those little serfs. Don't they know what's good for them?

(02-24-2010 09:17 PM)GilWinant Wrote:  How embarrassing for the people of Arizona. It's bad enough to have a political figure make a fool of themselves by advancing kooky conspiracy theories, but it's so much worse when they are allowed to make public policy based on them.

Are you shitttin me? The federal government requires that employers get proof of citizenship or a green card in order to hire someone. I needed a birth certificate in order to get my marriage license. Is the federal government above its own rules or just Obama? And where in the article was anyone advancing a conspiracy theory?

Well into the 20th century in Alabama, there used to be only two races: white and black. Most Native Americans usually identified themselves as "white" when getting drivers' licenses or other official documents, which of course had some interesting negative implications in life as their heritage was pretty much classified away.

Those who were of both Native American and African American ancestry were typically worse off, as not only the state was reluctant (or simply refused) to embrace their tribe or band (i.e. the MOWA Choctaws), but also dealt with the racism perpetuated towards those of African ancestry.

Even when I was in elementary school in the late 1980s, the Mobile County School System only used two races in reporting enrollment figures. My Asian-American classmates were typically counted as "white".

(02-24-2010 09:42 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-24-2010 09:17 PM)GilWinant Wrote:  How embarrassing for the people of Arizona. It's bad enough to have a political figure make a fool of themselves by advancing kooky conspiracy theories, but it's so much worse when they are allowed to make public policy based on them.

Are you shitttin me? The federal government requires that employers get proof of citizenship or a green card in order to hire someone. I needed a birth certificate in order to get my marriage license. Is the federal government above its own rules or just Obama? And where in the article was anyone advancing a conspiracy theory?

The entire issue is based on a kooky conspiracy theory. Like with so many other issues these days, they only became an issue once Obama was elected. It speaks poorly of many in the GOP.

(02-24-2010 02:31 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Didn't say anything about the Kenyan. Yes, I have questions, like how did he go to Occidental on a foreign student scholarship and how did he go to Pakistan when, at the time, they didn't allow anyone with an American passport.

What makes you think Pakistan didn't allow anyone with an American passport?

(02-24-2010 11:15 PM)ctt8410 Wrote:  

(02-24-2010 02:31 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Didn't say anything about the Kenyan. Yes, I have questions, like how did he go to Occidental on a foreign student scholarship and how did he go to Pakistan when, at the time, they didn't allow anyone with an American passport.

What makes you think Pakistan didn't allow anyone with an American passport?

We were supporting India at the time. It's documented. Come back to us when your ammunition isn't soaked in water. You're firing blanks.

The State Department didn't allow anyone with a US Passport to travel to Pakistan, which is tied to your birth area, to travel to Pakistan in '81. Mine's tied to New Orleans. I could not travel to Cuba, and if I did through Belize, I'd be questioned and charged by the government once I returned. How'd he go to Occidental on a foreign student scholarship? Hell, matter of fact, how the fvck did he pay for law school when he said he had no student loans? Columbia? Harvard? My God, I've been trying to figure out a way to get a full-time day job to go to law school at night at Birmingham School of Law or get a night time job to go to MC School of Law during the day for a while. It's not seeming like a possibility. Who the fvck paid for his ride? These questions NEED to be GDamn answered.

(02-24-2010 01:53 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Hell, we can sell Texass while we're at it.

I was just going to say the same thing after reading your previous post about Arizona. I also note that you spelled the state name correctly in this post.

(02-24-2010 03:52 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(02-24-2010 03:33 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Apples and oranges. A speeding ticket is hand-written. A birth certificate is an official document....

Both are official documents, and both are initially hand transcribed. Both are susceptible to mistakes, bureacratice inertia and other concerns.

So leaving that behind, partly because I do think we are both correct, I ask this question. How does his father's citizenship as "African" exclude BO from the Presidency?

Quote:How'd he go to Occidental on a foreign student scholarship? How'd he go to Pakistan?

I am pretty well read, but honestly outside of this board have long ago stopped having any interest in BO's prescibed citizenship / travel / scholarship daliances. What is the story behind Occidental and Pakistan?
And why does it matter?

Hell, to me you could PROVE that he isn't a US citizen, and there would still be 100 more important concerns about BO and his background (Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Chicago school of politics, Rezko, etc.) It's not that I don't find the possibility of him not being a citizen (or whatever it is the Birthers claim) it is just that I am completely convinced that the Supreme Court will quickly find him eligible.

So let's all pick our hill to die on, but not have that hill be Birff Certifikat.

Actually, there is a good chance the Supreme Court WOULDN'T quickly find him eligible based on previous results.

(02-25-2010 12:29 AM)Rebel Wrote:  The State Department didn't allow anyone with a US Passport to travel to Pakistan

A travel advisory is not the same as a travel ban.

http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/travel/cis...an1981.pdf

(02-25-2010 07:50 AM)ctt8410 Wrote:  

(02-25-2010 12:29 AM)Rebel Wrote:  The State Department didn't allow anyone with a US Passport to travel to Pakistan

A travel advisory is not the same as a travel ban.

http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/travel/cis...an1981.pdf

...and his foreign student status at Occidental?

(02-24-2010 06:27 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Stanly Why are you so dismissive about questions about the so called facts? There are unknowns. You have to admit that "natural born citizen" clause of the constitution has never been fully settled by the SCOTUS. Why? If there are questions and it is not settled, you cannot dismiss questions raised by citizens. We have a constitutional right of redress of grievances. Yet you and alot of other people do so dismiss out of hand because you have been spoonfed your whole life. Some people are starting to puke it up and demand better.

I am dismissive of the questions because I know the answer is affirmative = I am 100% convinced that Barrack Obama is an American citizen eligible to be the President of the United States of America.

And don't you dare mistake that comment as some sort of support for the Presidental policies of this administration. People in this country are seemingly fed up with any and all government. Trust me, your view and my view of the current US government is compatible, we just see different avenues of attack, but I'll be damned if I lend my support to a movement that gives any creedence to fringe conspiracy theory. I'm watching the Tea Party movement very closely, and if they veer into Truther Birther Google Ron Paul I am finished.

It doesn't matter if the "natural born citizen" clause of the US Constitution has or hasn't been settled to your liking; it only matters that the evidence put forward was authorized as acceptable by all parties charged with vetting eligibility. If you don't believe this is the case, then you are claiming massive government conspiracy across multiple states, agencies and to the top level of our goverment. History has proven that there is no way that many people can keep a secret. I've worked for the government at the state and federal level - it is nothing but a bunch of average Joes. There is little appetite and skill sets to keep, manage and maintain X-Files.

And stop it with the "we're just asking questions" line of reasoning. That is the exact garbage that the Truthers pull out every time they open their mouths. So what is the difference between:

Truther How come I saw puffs of smoke coming from the lower floors of WTC 1 prior to the collapse? I am just asking. It's my constitutional right! I know all the proof points clearly that the planes hit the towers, and all modern engineering and science shows conclusively that the towers collapsed after the heat of the fires bent the steel supporting beams, but I am just asking! It's my constitutional right!

and

Birther How come I can't see, feel and hold the original birth certificate for Barrack Obama in my hands, even though it would in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM change my opinon that he is eligible for the Presidency. I am just asking, it's my constitutional right!

The Birther movement has moved into crackpot territory. Crack-fvuckin-pot. Truther = Birther / Birther = Truther

If you take anything away from what I've said here and in numerous other posts, it is simply that attacking the President on birth certificate and citizenship grounds is a positive dead end.

And even if you respond to everything else I've said above, read this twice:

Your efforts and concerns about the birth certificate and citizenship status of the President of the United States would be better utilized in volunteering at a Tea Party event, running for local office, or some other sort of action and concern that actually would lend itself to real, honest change in this country.


And really, I'm spoonfed? I love it! So my life of athletic and academic success, my marriage, my son, my job and my mortgage were just handed to me, and somehow that is not "keepin it real?" What exactly is keepin it real with the fringe, living in a trailer with tinfoil walls, writing missives to your representative, dissing the Census worker, and complaining when the gas company comes on your property to check the meter? Would that give me the proper street cred? And what's next, are you going to call us all sheeple?

(02-25-2010 08:15 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(02-25-2010 07:50 AM)ctt8410 Wrote:  

(02-25-2010 12:29 AM)Rebel Wrote:  The State Department didn't allow anyone with a US Passport to travel to Pakistan

A travel advisory is not the same as a travel ban.

http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/travel/cis...an1981.pdf

...and his foreign student status at Occidental?

Are you talking about the Fulbright Foreign Student Program or something else? That's a pretty vague accusation.

(02-25-2010 10:19 AM)ctt8410 Wrote:  

(02-25-2010 08:15 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(02-25-2010 07:50 AM)ctt8410 Wrote:  

(02-25-2010 12:29 AM)Rebel Wrote:  The State Department didn't allow anyone with a US Passport to travel to Pakistan

A travel advisory is not the same as a travel ban.

http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/travel/cis...an1981.pdf

...and his foreign student status at Occidental?

Are you talking about the Fulbright Foreign Student Program or something else? That's a pretty vague accusation.

No, I'm referring to a foreign student scholarship period.

Quote:An Occidental College spokesperson told TruthorFiction.com that President Obama's records are still sealed and no such transcripts have been released. When asked if the future President used the Obama or Soetoro name at the college, the spokesperson said that although he had not seen the sealed transcripts he had seen a 1981 photo book that was handed out to students and faculty at the beginning of the college year with student photos, names and hometown information. The 1981 photo book had "Barack Obama" under the student's photo and indicated a home state as Hawaii.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/l/lawyersues.htm

I busted my ass to get through the colleges I attended, working, getting loans, etc., yet he gets a full ride to Occidental, Harvard, and Columbia with NO student loans? BS. Who paid for it? Who paid for his room and board? How'd he get by?

BTW, where are his school records? Why was he considered outgoing and an extrovert at Occidental yet no one at Columbia seems to remember him? He suddenly became an introvert? That doesn't happen.

You know why these questions keep arising? Because the f'n MSM vetted a damn plumber from Ohio more than they did the person that was to lead the country. That's why.

(02-25-2010 10:41 AM)Rebel Wrote:  BTW, where are his school records? Why was he considered outgoing and an extrovert at Occidental yet no one at Columbia seems to remember him? He suddenly became an introvert? That doesn't happen.

You know why these questions keep arising? Because the f'n MSM vetted a damn plumber from Ohio more than they did the person that was to lead the country. That's why.

Actually, the reason these questions keep arising is because nutjobs on the right want Obama to fail for numerous reasons(from race to politics and everything inbetween).