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Census -- Are Yo Obligated To Provide Personal Information?
This video itemizes the fundamental legal questions that the Census Bureau refuses or fails to answer about its collection and use of personal information from every American without any apparent authority the Census Bureau has expanded it's information gathering activities.

In addition to the once-in-10-years Census authorized by the Constitution, the Census Bureau conducts more in-depth "Surveys" of 250,000 Americans every month of every year.

It has no Constitutional authority for that, in fact the Bureau is violating the 4th Amendment to the Bill of Rights by suggesting that Americans are "obligated" to provide any personal information whatsoever to government.

The Constitution allows the government to count people once every ten years, but does not require any American to BE COUNTED, OR TO PROVIDE ANY INFORMATION AT ALL, much less to provide personal information to the temporary worker and stranger who comes to your door with a Census Bureau badge.

Americans have been given very false impressions and presumptions of the authority of government to invade their lives. Even the Census takers themselves are sometimes misinformed of the limits of government.

Once your information is out there, it is out there for good. There is no such thing as a "secure database" in government. Government data is bought, lost, stolen and viewed every day by everyone from law enforcement to criminals at all levels of society.

Spill your life to strangers at your front door or on the "questionnaire" at your own risk. Beyond that is the question, if we agree to pass over our private information to bureaucrats, is there any limit to what they will ask for next?

QUESTIONS THAT THE CENSUS BUREAU REFUSED OR FAILED TO ANSWER. I strongly suggest asking these questions of your Census Taker, especially if they show up with an "American Community Survey" form:

1) The Constitution authorizes government to count people but it does not authorize the taking of private information or even the names of individuals. From where does the Census Bureau derive authority to demand our private information?

2) Is there any limit to the amount and type of private information that the Census bureau may demand and collect?

3) Under what Constitutional authority does the Census Bureau collect information now from 250,000 people per month of every year?

4) The 4th Amendment to the Constitution prohibits government search and seizure of private information without a court warrant based on probable cause. Current Census policies violate that Amendment do they not?

5) By what Constitutional authority does the Census Bureau threaten penalties for failure to provide personal information?

6) The Census Bureau claims it maintains privacy of personal information. Are there any circumstances under which law enforcement or spy agencies can access Census information?

7) Since presumably Census data may be subpoenaed by law enforcement, may individuals refuse to answer questions according to the fifth Amendment?

8) Why has the Census Bureau decided to collect GPS coordinates for every home?

9) Virtually every government database has been either lost, hacked or compromised. Would the Census Bureau's claim of data security not be an outright lie or at best highly improbable?

10) How would the Census Bureau locate, protect and compensate those individuals whose data becomes compromised?

02-24-2010 01:02 PM
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The Census taker is making some form of hourly wage, and probably has the job because he is out of work and just looking for a couple bucks. You really think you are going to get a cogent response to

Quote:4) The 4th Amendment to the Constitution prohibits government search and seizure of private information without a court warrant based on probable cause. Current Census policies violate that Amendment do they not?

Jebus I Christo, if you don't want to answer, just politely say "No thanks, I value my privacy." Don't freakin try to make the Census taker into your pet "Stand Against the Man slash Speak Truth to Power slash / FEMA is Operating Concentration Camps for People who don't Answer Census Questions" sounding board.

And then reap the benefit or disbenefit of not being counted. I know for one that MN is on the potential verge of losing a Representative seat. I am not right now willing to lose representation in Congress because the dude on the front doorstep just wants to check of some boxes.

I have in the past refused to be counted on Census. I have in the past been counted on Census. I AM STILL ALIVE TODAY!

BTW, your local tax authority and your county has 10x as much personal information on their databases as the US Census, and the local tax authority and your county's information can often with little effort be tied to your name.
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I want to be counted also but some questions may be out of bounds. If the tax authority has 10x the information why is that not being utilized. Because the FED has limited authority.
02-24-2010 01:22 PM
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Lord Stanley Wrote:And then reap the benefit or disbenefit of not being counted. I know for one that MN is on the potential verge of losing a Representative seat. I am not right now willing to lose representation in Congress because the dude on the front doorstep just wants to check of some boxes.

You people elected Jesse Ventura and Stuart Smalley. You need to lose all representation. 03-lmfao
02-24-2010 02:11 PM
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(02-24-2010 02:11 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  
Lord Stanley Wrote:And then reap the benefit or disbenefit of not being counted. I know for one that MN is on the potential verge of losing a Representative seat. I am not right now willing to lose representation in Congress because the dude on the front doorstep just wants to check of some boxes.

You people elected Jesse Ventura and Stuart Smalley. You need to lose all representation. 03-lmfao

Good point
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(02-24-2010 01:13 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:   BTW, your local tax authority and your county has 10x as much personal information on their databases as the US Census, and the local tax authority and your county's information can often with little effort be tied to your name.

Just because the local tax authority is doing it worse, doesn't somehow make it OK for the US Census to do it too.
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(02-24-2010 02:11 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  
Lord Stanley Wrote:And then reap the benefit or disbenefit of not being counted. I know for one that MN is on the potential verge of losing a Representative seat. I am not right now willing to lose representation in Congress because the dude on the front doorstep just wants to check of some boxes.

You people elected Jesse Ventura and Stuart Smalley. You need to lose all representation. 03-lmfao

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Hey, you all know I wasn't votin' for those jokettes. And does your guvernator have a nickname as cool as T-Paw?

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(02-24-2010 02:33 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(02-24-2010 02:11 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  
Lord Stanley Wrote:And then reap the benefit or disbenefit of not being counted. I know for one that MN is on the potential verge of losing a Representative seat. I am not right now willing to lose representation in Congress because the dude on the front doorstep just wants to check of some boxes.

You people elected Jesse Ventura and Stuart Smalley. You need to lose all representation. 03-lmfao

01-lauramac2

Hey, you all know I wasn't votin' for those jokettes. And does your guvernator have a nickname as cool as T-Paw?

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I dunno, "Bingo Bob" is pretty cool. 03-lmfao
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I haven't done the census thing once in 50 years. They can guess how many people live in my house.
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(02-24-2010 08:07 PM)Paul M Wrote:  I haven't done the census thing once in 50 years. They can guess how many people live in my house.

In down town LA they count the basement windows and multiply by 17.
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17!!!! 03-lmfao
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"I choose not to participate in a system that is designed to distribute the stolen fruits of my labor". That is what I told the Census worker the last time and they left me alone. I plan on doing the same thing this time.
02-24-2010 11:35 PM
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(02-24-2010 02:11 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  
Lord Stanley Wrote:And then reap the benefit or disbenefit of not being counted. I know for one that MN is on the potential verge of losing a Representative seat. I am not right now willing to lose representation in Congress because the dude on the front doorstep just wants to check of some boxes.

You people elected Jesse Ventura and Stuart Smalley. You need to lose all representation. 03-lmfao
I noticed you forgot to mention this dumb bit- I mean congresswoman. She was the one trying to scare the public about the census.

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