(02-21-2010 09:18 PM)RobertN Wrote:  I am sorry. I don't really have time to look up all their histories of what they voted for to prove you wrong. Of course, you have already made up your mind that he and the Democrats you mentioned are socialists so even if I did find something, you will still find some way to spin it and continue believing they are socialists. Not to mention you will NEVER believe that any government program can work and that only private companies can work so I don't expect you to believe a government plan can work and cost less than what we are paying now.

You should be able to come up with something off the top of your head without having to do any looking up. You have three people to choose from. Come on man, three people. One thing not socialist. Tick,tick,tick.

(02-21-2010 11:21 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(02-21-2010 09:18 PM)RobertN Wrote:  I am sorry. I don't really have time to look up all their histories of what they voted for to prove you wrong. Of course, you have already made up your mind that he and the Democrats you mentioned are socialists so even if I did find something, you will still find some way to spin it and continue believing they are socialists. Not to mention you will NEVER believe that any government program can work and that only private companies can work so I don't expect you to believe a government plan can work and cost less than what we are paying now.

You should be able to come up with something off the top of your head without having to do any looking up. You have three people to choose from. Come on man, three people. One thing not socialist. Tick,tick,tick.

Roberta and facts is like oil and water.

(02-21-2010 07:27 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(02-21-2010 04:46 PM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  

(02-21-2010 04:31 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(02-21-2010 03:51 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-21-2010 03:04 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Well, I agree that Clinton was part of the problem by passing the free trade agreements without any protections for our country if the other country doesn't want to play fair. Having said that, free trade is a right-wing policy and some Democrats trying to play to the center-right think this is good policy for re-election.

Second, so Canada was rated HIGHER than the US with the current private-based system. I can now see why the party of "pro-life" wants healthcare to remain the same.

Third, we aren't going to become socialists and Obama and most Democrats aren't a socialists. That is just scare tactics because the majority of the Republican party is old white males. THese tactics are to bring back the "evil" USSR image to frighten them. From your response, sadly, I guess it is effective among that group.

First, free trade is not why jobs are going overseas. The places we are losing most of the jobs to are not the places we have free trade agreements with. And most of the jobs we lose to places we have free trade agreements with are jobs that we were going to lose anyway, and all the free trade agreement did was mean that we lost it to Canada or Mexico instead of to Poland or China. The worldwide market is bigger than the US, and that's the driver. We're not competitive in the worldwide marketplace now, and Obama's changes to health care, cap-and-trade, card-check, and taxing the "rich" will all make us less so. The "giant sucking sound" you will hear will be jobs leaving the US--never to return.

Second, you obviously didn't bother to look at any of the studies I referenced. They are all available online. Instead of spending $2.5 trillion to move from 37th to 30th, why not take a look at #1, particularly since it is both better and cheaper. By the way, if you look at the WHO study (also available online) you'll see that the results don't really say we have the "37th best" health care; what they really say is that we have the 37th most equitable and cheapest. The one component measure that comes closest to "best"? We actually ranked 1st there. It was just that cost drove us down in the rankings. And our costs are going up, not down, as a result of Obamacare--wanna bet otherwise?

Third, I will concede that most democrats may not be socialists. For that matter, Obama, Reid, or Pelosi may not be, either--socialism may be well to the right of where they are.

First, it is a big reason. Second, I suppose we could go to the French system but hey, they are socialists so we will never have that system here. THird, that isn't funny. They are not even close to socialists, communists or fascists that you righties keep portraying them as.

Is universal healthcare not a socialist ideal?

Is all the European countries socialist because they have universal healthcare? Was Iraq socialist when we provided all Iraqi's free healthcare with our tax dollars(I don't recall anyone on the right denouncing it like they are for providing it for the American people)? Countries might incorporate a few ideas that might(note I said might) be considered "socialist" but it is a balance of free market capitalism and "socialist" ideas.

Yes Iraq was socialist, and yes I denounced us giving them free healthcare. I just can't wrap my head around my taxes being used to fund healthcare for people who don't work, when I can't afford it myself working 40 hours a week.