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(02-17-2010 08:57 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I thought Obama would at least attempt to bring spending and revenue in line. That's my biggest gripe. That's been disapointing.

Why on earth would you have expected that?
What has Obama ever done that would give rise to such an expectation?
Make it easy. Name one thing, for starters.
02-17-2010 09:22 AM
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Owl that post has nothing to do with you. You gave a well thought out response and din't take pot shots in your reply. I would vote for Obama again because I feel he's been dealt a crappy hand. He was dealt 27 offsuit. A part of me wishes McCain would of picked Lieberman. It would of been better for our country. Our govt. is dysfunctional and too many on here are fine with that.
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(02-17-2010 09:14 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Voinovich earns a C here from the National Taxpayer Union, but a better term would describe him as a budget hawk. he voted against the Bush Tax cuts because the exploded the budget.

and for the mental midget from Mississippi. What part of this didn't you read:

I thought Obama would at least attempt to bring spending and revenue in line. That's my biggest gripe. That's been disapointing.

Yeah, he didn't you retard, and you STILL give him a fvckin' pass. What does that make you? A partisan hack.

BTW, there was NOTHING wrong with tax cuts. They caused the increase in federal revenues. There was, however, a problem with spending like drunken sailors, by BOTH parties. Tax cuts cause growth, and we had growth. They just didn't keep their spending in control.


BTW, only in a liberal's mind do tax cuts=increased budgets.
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He mentioned taxing oil. The carbon tax. I'm not a single issue voter but if there was one singular issue that would be it for me.
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(02-17-2010 09:25 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  He mentioned taxing oil. The carbon tax. I'm not a single issue voter but if there was one singular issue that would be it for me.

Why? Because of global warming?

Here's an idea, how about you clowns PROVE it before you start trying to confiscate the earnings of the populace?
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BTW, only in a liberal's mind do tax cuts=increased budgets.


This is by far the MOST HYPOCRITICAL THING YOU HAVE EVER TYPED. BY FAR!!!
02-17-2010 09:30 AM
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(02-17-2010 09:19 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Obama didn't inherit the worst financial disaster since the Depression. Just saying that over and over doesn't make it so

What time period between 1927 and now was worse and by what metric. You lose all credibility when you post nonsense like this and this is the reason you hide out in conservative hideouts. You would be laughed off any other stage.

Here's an entire history of recessions:

http://recession.org/history

Obama and the Dims were playing "scare politics". ...like you Dims accuse the Republicans of doing.
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(02-17-2010 09:24 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Owl that post has nothing to do with you. You gave a well thought out response and din't take pot shots in your reply. I would vote for Obama again because I feel he's been dealt a crappy hand.

What? Do you think Obama didn't know the situation he was campaigning to inherit?

That's absurd. Either you're saying Obama was completely ignorant, or you concede he balked on his promises. Or both, that's a possibility too.

If you want to be taken seriously Mach, then you're going to have to start being more intellectually honest.
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(02-17-2010 09:30 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  BTW, only in a liberal's mind do tax cuts=increased budgets.


This is by far the MOST HYPOCRITICAL THING YOU HAVE EVER TYPED. BY FAR!!!

Tax cuts don't cause increased budgets, light bright. Spending causes increased budgets. Spending causes increased debt. Instead of the American people having to tighten up their financial belts, how about the GDamn Fed start first? All of this aid, handout programs, uEITC, grants, etc., needs to STOP. It's easy spending money when you're not the one earning it, isn't it?
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See 2000-2006 it your little diatribe. Pathetic....................... truly
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I can watch a thief but I can't watch a liar. Hypocrits are the worst type of liars.
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(02-17-2010 09:37 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I can watch a thief but I can't watch a liar. Hypocrits are the worst type of liars.

It is you that's the hypocrite, Mach. Not I. I've been consistent in my anger over fiscal irresponsibility by both parties. You, however, only seem to get your panties in a wad when it's a Republican doing it. ...which is why you're a partisan hack as well as a hypocrite. I'm not the one claiming Bush was the best President nor am I making f'n excuses on why he was so fiscally irresponsible. You are.
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Have you been in a coma this past year?

And if the top 5 percentile in your classroom only earn a C.........
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(02-17-2010 09:25 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  He mentioned taxing oil. The carbon tax. I'm not a single issue voter but if there was one singular issue that would be it for me.

If this was in response to my question, I didn't ask what he said to cause you to believe that, I asked what he had done.

Words are easy. Anybody can say anything. It's actions that speak truth, not words.

Obama is a liar. Pure and simple. You heard a lie that you wanted to believe and fell for it.

For the record, I actually favor a carbon tax, but if and ONLY if it is offset by tax reductions elsewhere. Reduce the tax burden on some productive activity in order to tax a potentially harmful one. The productive activity will increase and the harmful one will decrease.
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(02-17-2010 09:36 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  See 2000-2006 it your little diatribe. Pathetic....................... truly

Congressional Budget office Wrote:Growth in Federal Tax Revenues From 2003 to 2006
Total federal revenues grew by about $625 billion, or 35 percent, between fiscal year 2003 and fiscal year 2006. CBO’s analysis of that increase in revenues since 2003 is necessarily preliminary because relevant data are not yet fully available.
CBO examined the available data using the commonly employed method of analyzing the sources of revenue growth as a percentage of GDP. Had revenues grown at the same rate as the overall economy between 2003 and 2006, federal receipts would have increased by only $373 billion. The other $252 billion of the actual increase in revenues represents growth in excess of GDP growth. As a result, receipts as a share of GDP rose from 16.5 percent in 2003 to 18.4 percent in 2006, an increase of 1.9 percentage points

Now, you were saying something about being a hypocrite?
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(02-17-2010 09:46 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  For the record, I actually favor a carbon tax, but if and ONLY if it is offset by tax reductions elsewhere. Reduce the tax burden on some productive activity in order to tax a potentially harmful one. The productive activity will increase and the harmful one will decrease.

Has social engineering ever worked anywhere else?
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