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"Uhm, well, since you asked, there hasn't been global warming since 1995. Sorry for the fuss."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...nised.html

Quote:Professor Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now – suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon.

And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming.
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RE: "Uhm, well, since you asked, there hasn't been global warming since 1995. Sorry for the fuss."
Not news to anyone who's been paying attention. But it is irksome to those who intentionally lie about this whole subject and those who are foolish enough to believe those who intentionally lie about this subject.
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RE: "Uhm, well, since you asked, there hasn't been global warming since 1995. Sorry for the fuss."
(02-14-2010 06:45 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...nised.html

Quote:Professor Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now – suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon.

And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming.
Considering you are a "torch", you certainly aren't very bright. Just because it may have been warmer in the past from whatever reason(volcanoes?) doesn't mean it isn't happening at least partly because of man-made influences now(ie. it may be partly natural but what we are doing is speeding up the process).
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RE: "Uhm, well, since you asked, there hasn't been global warming since 1995. Sorry for the fuss."
(02-14-2010 07:29 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Just because it may have been warmer in the past from whatever reason(volcanoes?) doesn't mean it isn't happening at least partly because of man-made influences now(ie. it may be partly natural but what we are doing is speeding up the process).

Says who?
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RE: "Uhm, well, since you asked, there hasn't been global warming since 1995. Sorry for the fuss."
(02-14-2010 07:32 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  
(02-14-2010 07:29 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Just because it may have been warmer in the past from whatever reason(volcanoes?) doesn't mean it isn't happening at least partly because of man-made influences now(ie. it may be partly natural but what we are doing is speeding up the process).

Says who?
Most scientists. Of course, you guys on the right don't believe in science so I wouldn't expect you to believe it.
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RE: "Uhm, well, since you asked, there hasn't been global warming since 1995. Sorry for the fuss."
The process is not even moving and you keep saying we are speeding it up.

Again, how are you surviving those 80 degree temp swings every 6 months?
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RE: "Uhm, well, since you asked, there hasn't been global warming since 1995. Sorry for the fuss."
(02-14-2010 07:32 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  
(02-14-2010 07:29 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Just because it may have been warmer in the past from whatever reason(volcanoes?) doesn't mean it isn't happening at least partly because of man-made influences now(ie. it may be partly natural but what we are doing is speeding up the process).

Says who?

At this point, no-one in the hard sciences! 03-lmfao

Still the sheep that bought this without thinking are having a hard time accepting the new look of hope and change.
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RE: "Uhm, well, since you asked, there hasn't been global warming since 1995. Sorry for the fuss."
(02-14-2010 07:29 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(02-14-2010 06:45 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...nised.html

Quote:Professor Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now – suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon.

And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming.
Considering you are a "torch", you certainly aren't very bright. Just because it may have been warmer in the past from whatever reason(volcanoes?) doesn't mean it isn't happening at least partly because of man-made influences now(ie. it may be partly natural but what we are doing is speeding up the process).

Please explain how you speed up a "process" that has shown no statistically significant increase in 15 years? IF man were really to blame for speeding up global warming how is it that there can 15 years with no signficant change?

You know what...forget I ask. You have no idea how to expain anything.
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RE: "Uhm, well, since you asked, there hasn't been global warming since 1995. Sorry for the fuss."
(02-14-2010 07:50 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(02-14-2010 07:32 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  
(02-14-2010 07:29 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Just because it may have been warmer in the past from whatever reason(volcanoes?) doesn't mean it isn't happening at least partly because of man-made influences now(ie. it may be partly natural but what we are doing is speeding up the process).

Says who?
Most scientists. Of course, you guys on the right don't believe in science so I wouldn't expect you to believe it.


Thank goodness we've been stopping the ice age.

I mean, without man's influence IMAGINE how much colder things would be if we weren't working to counter-act things. We were warned about this in 1975 and thanks to our great efforts have averted the disaster.

For the past 15 years, we've maintained the status quo.

Yea US!!
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RE: "Uhm, well, since you asked, there hasn't been global warming since 1995. Sorry for the fuss."
(02-14-2010 07:50 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(02-14-2010 07:32 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  
(02-14-2010 07:29 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Just because it may have been warmer in the past from whatever reason(volcanoes?) doesn't mean it isn't happening at least partly because of man-made influences now(ie. it may be partly natural but what we are doing is speeding up the process).

Says who?
Most scientists. Of course, you guys on the right don't believe in science so I wouldn't expect you to believe it.

Are the scientists you're referring to the ones in the email scandal? Yeah, they're real credible.
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RE: "Uhm, well, since you asked, there hasn't been global warming since 1995. Sorry for the fuss."
(02-14-2010 09:04 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(02-14-2010 07:50 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(02-14-2010 07:32 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  
(02-14-2010 07:29 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Just because it may have been warmer in the past from whatever reason(volcanoes?) doesn't mean it isn't happening at least partly because of man-made influences now(ie. it may be partly natural but what we are doing is speeding up the process).

Says who?
Most scientists. Of course, you guys on the right don't believe in science so I wouldn't expect you to believe it.


Thank goodness we've been stopping the ice age.

I mean, without man's influence IMAGINE how much colder things would be if we weren't working to counter-act things. We were warned about this in 1975 and thanks to our great efforts have averted the disaster.

For the past 15 years, we've maintained the status quo.

Yea US!!
I am sorry but I think you really need to re-read what I wrote(assuming you can actually read). I said that the earth is probably warming naturally but the increased human influence is speeding up the process.
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RE: "Uhm, well, since you asked, there hasn't been global warming since 1995. Sorry for the fuss."
And I was wondering what proof anyone had that people had ANY influence on the earth's temperature.

I have no problem with eliminating/cleaning up our emissions for our health's sake. Smog is obviously detrimental to a person's health. To push this all under the guise that we're killing the planet with no proof is irresponsible.

I also think that the best membership drive that "climate change people" could push would be to talk about the immediate health effects. From my limited life experience, there are more people that care about themselves than people that care about others 2-3 generations down the line.
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(02-14-2010 09:11 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(02-14-2010 07:50 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(02-14-2010 07:32 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  
(02-14-2010 07:29 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Just because it may have been warmer in the past from whatever reason(volcanoes?) doesn't mean it isn't happening at least partly because of man-made influences now(ie. it may be partly natural but what we are doing is speeding up the process).

Says who?
Most scientists. Of course, you guys on the right don't believe in science so I wouldn't expect you to believe it.

Are the scientists you're referring to the ones in the email scandal? Yeah, they're real credible.
Are the ones you trust the ones that get paid by the oil and coal companies. Yeah, they're real credible.
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RE: "Uhm, well, since you asked, there hasn't been global warming since 1995. Sorry for the fuss."
(02-14-2010 11:50 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(02-14-2010 09:11 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(02-14-2010 07:50 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(02-14-2010 07:32 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  
(02-14-2010 07:29 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Just because it may have been warmer in the past from whatever reason(volcanoes?) doesn't mean it isn't happening at least partly because of man-made influences now(ie. it may be partly natural but what we are doing is speeding up the process).

Says who?
Most scientists. Of course, you guys on the right don't believe in science so I wouldn't expect you to believe it.

Are the scientists you're referring to the ones in the email scandal? Yeah, they're real credible.
Are the ones you trust the ones that get paid by the oil and coal companies. Yeah, they're real credible.

And who would they be? I'm sure there are some, but I'm also sure it is a mighty small list compared to the number of scientist who dispute MMGW who aren't on oils payroll.
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RE: "Uhm, well, since you asked, there hasn't been global warming since 1995. Sorry for the fuss."
(02-15-2010 12:31 AM)Paul M Wrote:  
(02-14-2010 11:50 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(02-14-2010 09:11 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(02-14-2010 07:50 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(02-14-2010 07:32 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  
(02-14-2010 07:29 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Just because it may have been warmer in the past from whatever reason(volcanoes?) doesn't mean it isn't happening at least partly because of man-made influences now(ie. it may be partly natural but what we are doing is speeding up the process).

Says who?
Most scientists. Of course, you guys on the right don't believe in science so I wouldn't expect you to believe it.

Are the scientists you're referring to the ones in the email scandal? Yeah, they're real credible.
Are the ones you trust the ones that get paid by the oil and coal companies. Yeah, they're real credible.

And who would they be? I'm sure there are some, but I'm also sure it is a mighty small list compared to the number of scientist who dispute MMGW who aren't on oils payroll.
Most of the scientists/experts that Dr. Torch posts comments from on here that don't believe global warming is partly created by humans. Actually, most of those who don't believe in MMGW are either paid by the oil and coal industries or have a vested interest in the oil/coal industry.
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RE: "Uhm, well, since you asked, there hasn't been global warming since 1995. Sorry for the fuss."
(02-15-2010 12:46 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Most of the scientists/experts that Dr. Torch posts comments from on here that don't believe global warming is partly created by humans. Actually, most of those who don't believe in MMGW are either paid by the oil and coal industries or have a vested interest in the oil/coal industry.


You really should take some time to inform yourself better on this particular issue. As the Climategate e-mails show, climate scientists have been extorting money from oil companies for years:

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RE: "Uhm, well, since you asked, there hasn't been global warming since 1995. Sorry for the fuss."
Actually volcanoes would have the effect of cooling the earth. A little stock tip. Next time we have a major volcano buy Natural Gas stocks. There are many reasons and many cycles that attribute to climate change.

The inclination of Earth's orbit drifts up and down relative to its present orbit with a cycle having a period of about 70,000 years.

The Earth's orbit is an ellipse. The eccentricity is a measure of the departure of this ellipse from circularity. The shape of the Earth's orbit varies from being nearly circular (low eccentricity of 0.005) to being mildly elliptical (high eccentricity of 0.058) and has a mean eccentricity of 0.028. The major component of these variations occurs on a period of 413,000 years (eccentricity variation of ±0.012). A number of other terms vary between components 95,000 and 125,000 years (with a beat period 400 ka), and loosely combine into a 100,000-year cycle (variation of −0.03 to +0.02). The present eccentricity is 0.017.

The angle of the Earth's axial tilt (obliquity) varies with respect to the plane of the Earth's orbit. These slow 2.4° obliquity variations are roughly periodic, taking approximately 41,000 years to shift between a tilt of 22.1° and 24.5° and back again. When the obliquity increases, the amplitude of the seasonal cycle in insolation (INcident SOLar radiATION) increases, with summers in both hemispheres receiving more radiative flux from the Sun, and the winters less radiative flux. As a result, it is assumed that the winters become colder and summers warmer.

The solar cycle, or the solar magnetic activity cycle, is the main source of periodic solar variation (changing the level of irradiation experienced on Earth) which drives variations in space weather and to some degree weather on the ground and possibly climate change.[1] The cycle is observed by counting the frequency and placement of sunspots visible on the Sun. Powered by a hydromagnetic dynamo process driven by the inductive action of internal solar flows, the solar cycle:

Any or all of these have a tremendous effect on our climate, but even if you line them up you don't always get the results you think. There are times you would think things would be colder and there not and likewise. But none of this changes the simple fact that Carbon Dioxide traps heat. We are adding CO2 to our atmosphere in levels never seen. This will have an effect. When you factor the ancillary benefits of our society transitioning from fossil fuels to an alternative it's a no brainer.
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RE: "Uhm, well, since you asked, there hasn't been global warming since 1995. Sorry for the fuss."
Pretty good scientific article that had to be spoiled by an opinion at the end. CO2 is rising while temps aren't. Same thing has happened in the past. Temps have risen in the past, followed by CO2 levels rising. It's just not a scientific fact that rising CO2 levels are always followed by rising temps.
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It's called the Milkanovitch Theory and the above wasn't an article just definitions of cycles that come into play studying climate.
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RE: "Uhm, well, since you asked, there hasn't been global warming since 1995. Sorry for the fuss."
Except for the flawed opinion at the end.
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