Nancy Pelosi to the Republicans basically vote for the democrat health care deform plan or we'll railroad it through without you.

Quote:House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is pinning the blame on Republicans for a lack of bipartisanship in Congress and plans to bypass them if they continue to oppose efforts to enact near-universal health care.

So the Republicans should support a bill drafted in secret with NO input from Republicans yup, that makes sense to me.

Quote:As if any more clarity is needed, Pelosi went on in her interview with Roll Call to state that the use of the filibuster in the Senate to prevent the passage of health care "isn't legitimate:"

“A constitutional majority is 51 votes,” Pelosi said in an interview Tuesday with Roll Call. “If in fact the Republicans are going to say nothing can be done except by 60 percent, then maybe we all should be elected with 60 percent. It isn't legitimate in terms of passing legislation.”

The great thing if it passes with 51 it can be taken out with 51 in 2013. Also of note Obama's meeting with Republicans about health care deform is considered a PR move not a place for open debate.

Pelosi will bypass Republicans

This is news?

I'm pretty confident the Dems, and probably Pelosi have blocked plenty of legislation that would have passed with a 51 member vote. (picking this one because she was likely involved, not because the Reps haven't done the same thing)

Bank/Mortgage reform/oversight comes to mind... It was poised to pass easily and the Dems threatened to fillibuster it until "Barney (Franks) and Friends" added CRA language that "encouraged" banks and FHLMC/FNMA to make loans to non-creditworthy borrowers... and also to prefer unaffiliated appraisers with no "skin in the game" when appraising property values.

Do we really need to talk about how that worked out?

(02-11-2010 07:56 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Nancy Pelosi to the Republicans basically vote for the democrat health care deform plan or we'll railroad it through without you.

Quote:House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is pinning the blame on Republicans for a lack of bipartisanship in Congress and plans to bypass them if they continue to oppose efforts to enact near-universal health care.

So the Republicans should support a bill drafted in secret with NO input from Republicans yup, that makes sense to me.

Quote:As if any more clarity is needed, Pelosi went on in her interview with Roll Call to state that the use of the filibuster in the Senate to prevent the passage of health care "isn't legitimate:"

“A constitutional majority is 51 votes,” Pelosi said in an interview Tuesday with Roll Call. “If in fact the Republicans are going to say nothing can be done except by 60 percent, then maybe we all should be elected with 60 percent. It isn't legitimate in terms of passing legislation.”

The great thing if it passes with 51 it can be taken out with 51 in 2013. Also of note Obama's meeting with Republicans about health care deform is considered a PR move not a place for open debate.

Pelosi will bypass Republicans

Well, Obama offered to meet with both sides on CSPAN to discuss healthcare and give the Republicans the opportunity to showcase their ideas. Guess what? The Republicans said "NO" unless there are all kinds of strings attached. THe Republicans called the attempt to get the 2 together a "political stunt". If the Republican plan is so great, why wouldn't they agree to go without a bunch of strings? That is because they have no plan and they can't let Obama get any victories so the right can get back into power. It doesn't surprise me at all that they want to bypass the "party of no and no ideas" because they have no interest in improving healthcare.

(02-12-2010 02:20 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 07:56 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Nancy Pelosi to the Republicans basically vote for the democrat health care deform plan or we'll railroad it through without you.

Quote:House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is pinning the blame on Republicans for a lack of bipartisanship in Congress and plans to bypass them if they continue to oppose efforts to enact near-universal health care.

So the Republicans should support a bill drafted in secret with NO input from Republicans yup, that makes sense to me.

Quote:As if any more clarity is needed, Pelosi went on in her interview with Roll Call to state that the use of the filibuster in the Senate to prevent the passage of health care "isn't legitimate:"

“A constitutional majority is 51 votes,” Pelosi said in an interview Tuesday with Roll Call. “If in fact the Republicans are going to say nothing can be done except by 60 percent, then maybe we all should be elected with 60 percent. It isn't legitimate in terms of passing legislation.”

The great thing if it passes with 51 it can be taken out with 51 in 2013. Also of note Obama's meeting with Republicans about health care deform is considered a PR move not a place for open debate.

Pelosi will bypass Republicans

Well, Obama offered to meet with both sides on CSPAN to discuss healthcare and give the Republicans the opportunity to showcase their ideas. Guess what? The Republicans said "NO" unless there are all kinds of strings attached. THe Republicans called the attempt to get the 2 together a "political stunt". If the Republican plan is so great, why wouldn't they agree to go without a bunch of strings? That is because they have no plan and they can't let Obama get any victories so the right can get back into power. It doesn't surprise me at all that they want to bypass the "party of no and no ideas" because they have no interest in improving healthcare.

Obama admitted some serious flaws were allowed in the bill currently under consideration. This country and specifically the US government is flawed enough. Why press to pass the legislation with SERIOUS flaws and the TRY to fix it after its signed into law. Why won't the democrats agree to start over with a REAL bipartisan approach to drafting reform that can be written in 200 pages or less and gives no state special exemptions or bribe money in order to pass?

Well, Obama offered to meet with both sides on CSPAN to discuss healthcare and give the Republicans the opportunity to showcase their ideas. Guess what? The Republicans said "NO" unless there are all kinds of strings attached. THe Republicans called the attempt to get the 2 together a "political stunt". If the Republican plan is so great, why wouldn't they agree to go without a bunch of strings? That is because they have no plan and they can't let Obama get any victories so the right can get back into power. It doesn't surprise me at all that they want to bypass the "party of no and no ideas" because they have no interest in improving healthcare.
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These "strings" you speak of. Specifically what were they, and what were the democratic "strings" associated with the meeting? Don't act as if the Democrats wouldn't have controlled the meeting and its agenda. I suspect the plan would have been to do as most republicans have done and simply sit back and take pot shots... then claim that their answer is the only correct answer and do it anyway.

Honest debate/discussion, yes.... gotcha politics, no. Seriously... would YOU have done it if it were Newt Gingrich and company??

(02-12-2010 06:16 AM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(02-12-2010 02:20 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 07:56 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Nancy Pelosi to the Republicans basically vote for the democrat health care deform plan or we'll railroad it through without you.

Quote:House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is pinning the blame on Republicans for a lack of bipartisanship in Congress and plans to bypass them if they continue to oppose efforts to enact near-universal health care.

So the Republicans should support a bill drafted in secret with NO input from Republicans yup, that makes sense to me.

Quote:As if any more clarity is needed, Pelosi went on in her interview with Roll Call to state that the use of the filibuster in the Senate to prevent the passage of health care "isn't legitimate:"

“A constitutional majority is 51 votes,” Pelosi said in an interview Tuesday with Roll Call. “If in fact the Republicans are going to say nothing can be done except by 60 percent, then maybe we all should be elected with 60 percent. It isn't legitimate in terms of passing legislation.”

The great thing if it passes with 51 it can be taken out with 51 in 2013. Also of note Obama's meeting with Republicans about health care deform is considered a PR move not a place for open debate.

Pelosi will bypass Republicans

Well, Obama offered to meet with both sides on CSPAN to discuss healthcare and give the Republicans the opportunity to showcase their ideas. Guess what? The Republicans said "NO" unless there are all kinds of strings attached. THe Republicans called the attempt to get the 2 together a "political stunt". If the Republican plan is so great, why wouldn't they agree to go without a bunch of strings? That is because they have no plan and they can't let Obama get any victories so the right can get back into power. It doesn't surprise me at all that they want to bypass the "party of no and no ideas" because they have no interest in improving healthcare.

Obama admitted some serious flaws were allowed in the bill currently under consideration. This country and specifically the US government is flawed enough. Why press to pass the legislation with SERIOUS flaws and the TRY to fix it after its signed into law. Why won't the democrats agree to start over with a REAL bipartisan approach to drafting reform that can be written in 200 pages or less and gives no state special exemptions or bribe money in order to pass?

Well, the reason for not starting over is because the Republicans are just trying to stall until the elections. They really have no intention of letting Obama pass a healthcare bill. But he is giving them a chance to show their ideas and they are choosing not to because they have no real ideas on how to fix it and don't want to fix it.

(02-12-2010 01:10 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(02-12-2010 02:20 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

Well, Obama offered to meet with both sides on CSPAN to discuss healthcare and give the Republicans the opportunity to showcase their ideas. Guess what? The Republicans said "NO" unless there are all kinds of strings attached. THe Republicans called the attempt to get the 2 together a "political stunt". If the Republican plan is so great, why wouldn't they agree to go without a bunch of strings? That is because they have no plan and they can't let Obama get any victories so the right can get back into power. It doesn't surprise me at all that they want to bypass the "party of no and no ideas" because they have no interest in improving healthcare.

These "strings" you speak of. Specifically what were they, and what were the democratic "strings" associated with the meeting? Don't act as if the Democrats wouldn't have controlled the meeting and its agenda. I suspect the plan would have been to do as most republicans have done and simply sit back and take pot shots... then claim that their answer is the only correct answer and do it anyway.

Honest debate/discussion, yes.... gotcha politics, no. Seriously... would YOU have done it if it were Newt Gingrich and company??
[/quote]So it wasn't going to be an honest debate/discussion? It would be on tv for all to see. If the Democrats didn't actually have a debate/discussion don't you think it would make them look bad? I had no doubt the right would turn it down because they have no plan other than to make Obama fail.

Obama and the democrats are too dishonest to be trusted. The republicans are too stupid. What a great situation.

Well this board is incredibly biased/slanted itself. Obama made a conservative energy proposal yesterday in announcing plans to build the first nuclear power plant in the US in 30 years and no one has mentioned it here yet. He's certainly guilty of over-governing but some of Obama's plans have been efforts to reach across the aisle - maybe not many but you can't deny there have been a few.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/arti...QD9DR6PAG0

(02-13-2010 07:54 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Well this board is incredibly biased/slanted itself. Obama made a conservative energy proposal yesterday in announcing plans to build the first nuclear power plant in the US in 30 years and no one has mentioned it here yet. He's certainly guilty of over-governing but some of Obama's plans have been efforts to reach across the aisle - maybe not many but you can't deny there have been a few.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/arti...QD9DR6PAG0

I applaud him on Nuclear Energy but a few is not what he promised during the campaign. Bipartisan politics has to be more than campaign politics. Even though he has said this, it still must clear the environmental hurdles. Environmentalists will not go softly into that goodnight.

Both sides are not taking care of the people's wishes of smaller government, lower taxes, less spending, more freedom-less intrusion, protected borders, sensible immigration, energy independence, sensible insurance - healthcare reform, no gov't corruption.

(02-13-2010 07:54 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Well this board is incredibly biased/slanted itself. Obama made a conservative energy proposal yesterday in announcing plans to build the first nuclear power plant in the US in 30 years and no one has mentioned it here yet. He's certainly guilty of over-governing but some of Obama's plans have been efforts to reach across the aisle - maybe not many but you can't deny there have been a few.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/arti...QD9DR6PAG0

Sorry, if you're referring to Plant Vogtle in Burke County, right outside of Augusta on the Savannah River (right across the river from SRS), it isn't a new plant. It's an expansion and it's been in the works for years. Shep Smith talked about it yesterday as if it was something new. It isn't. Is Obama now going to take credit for everything that happens while he's in office, even though he really had nothing to do with it?

(02-13-2010 02:49 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(02-12-2010 01:10 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(02-12-2010 02:20 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

Well, Obama offered to meet with both sides on CSPAN to discuss healthcare and give the Republicans the opportunity to showcase their ideas. Guess what? The Republicans said "NO" unless there are all kinds of strings attached. THe Republicans called the attempt to get the 2 together a "political stunt". If the Republican plan is so great, why wouldn't they agree to go without a bunch of strings? That is because they have no plan and they can't let Obama get any victories so the right can get back into power. It doesn't surprise me at all that they want to bypass the "party of no and no ideas" because they have no interest in improving healthcare.

These "strings" you speak of. Specifically what were they, and what were the democratic "strings" associated with the meeting? Don't act as if the Democrats wouldn't have controlled the meeting and its agenda. I suspect the plan would have been to do as most republicans have done and simply sit back and take pot shots... then claim that their answer is the only correct answer and do it anyway.

Honest debate/discussion, yes.... gotcha politics, no. Seriously... would YOU have done it if it were Newt Gingrich and company??

So it wasn't going to be an honest debate/discussion? It would be on tv for all to see. If the Democrats didn't actually have a debate/discussion don't you think it would make them look bad? I had no doubt the right would turn it down because they have no plan other than to make Obama fail.
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Yes, Robert. You need no other proof but that Bush was elected, and then RE-elected to know that collectively, people are stupid and that gotcha politics and sitting back and poking holes in someone else's argument while offering no solutions yourself, merely platitudes WORKS with them, that is EXACTLY what I think would happen.

No, I don't think the Democrats would have actual debate/discussion. They already have a bill they claim will work. They've been trying to sell it to the public for a year now with little positive response. They aren't going to sell it again, they are going to say... THIS is what we have in place, ready to go. When Republicans try and take pot shots, they are going to say... forget that... what are YOUR ideas... We only need ONE of you to sign on. What are YOUR ideas so that we can shoot holes in it and make SOMEONE from SOME state get enough calls to go with what is already there.

To be honest, if they DON'T have that as a plan, then they're unbelievably stupid... and none of us believe that. There may be one or two arrogant enough to think they can... but most of them aren't that stupid.

Do you HONESTLY expect them to say... we've been at this a year and this is the absolute best we can come up with... it's great, it works... but we're going to scrap it and go with what our opponents think is best because we were wrong and have wasted your time and money?? Not exactly a lot of job security in that kind of position.