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more proof that there's a bat **** crazy wing of the GOP, and unfortunately it's a rather large segment............

Human microchips seen by some in Virginia House as device of antichrist

By Fredrick Kunkle and Rosalind S. Helderman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, February 10, 2010; B01



RICHMOND, FEB. 9 -- The House of Delegates is scheduled to vote Wednesday on a bill that would protect Virginians from attempts by employers or insurance companies to implant microchips in their bodies against their will.

It might also save humanity from the antichrist, some supporters think.

Del. Mark L. Cole (R-Fredericksburg), the bill's sponsor, said that privacy issues are the chief concern behind his attempt to criminalize the involuntary implantation of microchips. But he also said he shared concerns that the devices could someday be used as the "mark of the beast" described in the Book of Revelation.

"My understanding -- I'm not a theologian -- but there's a prophecy in the Bible that says you'll have to receive a mark, or you can neither buy nor sell things in end times," Cole said. "Some people think these computer chips might be that mark."

Cole said that the growing use of microchips could allow employers, insurers or the government to track people against their will and that implanting a foreign object into a human being could also have adverse health effects.

"I just think you should have the right to control your own body," Cole said.

The religious overtones have cast the debate into a realm that has made even some supporters uneasy and caused opponents to mock the bill for legislating the apocalypse.

Del. Robert H. Brink (D-Arlington) said on the House floor that he did not find many voters demanding microchip legislation when he was campaigning last fall: "I didn't hear anything about the danger of asteroids striking the Earth, about the threat posed by giant alligators in our cities' sewer systems or about the menace of forced implantation of microchips in human beings."

Microchips, which use radio frequency identification, have been used in pets to identify and track them. Proponents suggest that such chips could be invaluable in making people's medical records portable and secure and in helping to identify and find missing children. Others have urged they be used with Alzheimer's disease patients.

But the growing use of microchips has collided with the Book of Revelation. The biblical passage in question is in Chapter 13 and describes the rise of a satanic figure known as "the Beast": "He causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

David Neff, editor of the magazine Christianity Today, said that some fundamentalist Christians believe that bar codes and implanted microchips could be used by a totalitarian government to control commerce -- a sign of the coming end of the world.

"This is part of a larger attempt to constantly read current history in the light of the symbolic language of the Book of Revelation," he said.

That book has been sifted for clues to contemporary events almost since the ink on the parchment dried, and Caesar, Nero, Napoleon, Hitler and some of history's other controversial one-namers have been identified as possible antichrists. Now, it's President Obama's turn, as tea partyers and others warn of federal intrusions into the debate over health-care reform.

Now, the book is giving new life to worries about microchips.

Such fears seemed futuristic until veterinarians began implanting microchips in pets in the 1990s and especially after a Delray Beach, Fla.-based company, VeriChip, introduced an implantable FDA-approved chip in 2001 that could store a person's medical records.

A voluntary initiative by the federal government to control disease outbreaks by tracking livestock using microchips and 15-digit numbers has also whipped up fears of government intrusion in some farming communities.

"I think it's kind of a lot of things. It's everything from civil liberties to privacy rights to the mark of the beast," said Katherine Albrecht, a nationally syndicated radio host who co-wrote "Spychips," a book about corporations' use of microchips and other potentially invasive technologies.

Several states, including Wisconsin, have approved bans such as the one Virginia is proposing, and the Georgia Senate passed a similar bill last week.

Virginia Del. Charles W. Carrico Sr. (R-Grayson) said that he would probably back the bill because his rural community is leery of government intrusions. But Carrico said he also gives credence to biblical teachings on the importance of being vigilant against an antichrist.

"As a Christian, I believe there is a time that Christ will come back to receive his people home, and that's just the basis of what the Bible shows, and that there will be an antichrist that arises during that time, and those that remain, to buy or sell anything, they will have to take on this mark," Carrico said. "I don't know that it's a microchip."

As the measure moved through House committees, Del. David B. Albo (R-Fairfax) said that lawmakers wrestled with whether the military or military contractors should be able to require that employees receive implants as a condition of employment.

"This whole end-of-days thing I just heard about through rumors," Albo said. "The fact that some people who support it are a little wacky doesn't make it a bad idea."

Others dismissed the legislation, calling it a sideshow as lawmakers grapple with a huge budget gap.

"We've got a $4 billion hole, and we're spending time on microchips," said Del. Albert C. Pollard Jr. (D-Northumberland). "At least when Nero fiddled, they got good music."
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(02-11-2010 03:29 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The House of Delegates is scheduled to vote Wednesday on a bill that would protect Virginians from attempts by employers or insurance companies to implant microchips in their bodies against their will.

First sentence says it all - is there any plan to actually implant chips in people against their will?

And there are loons on both sides and this guy is one of them.
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(02-11-2010 03:44 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(02-11-2010 03:29 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The House of Delegates is scheduled to vote Wednesday on a bill that would protect Virginians from attempts by employers or insurance companies to implant microchips in their bodies against their will.

First sentence says it all - is there any plan to actually implant chips in people against their will?

And there are loons on both sides and this guy is one of them.


Sometimes I swear I think the crazy terrorists are right, people in this country are out of their fricking mind. These type of people drive me crazy, how do the political leaders of a state even allow nutty ideas come to a vote?

Love this quote from that article:

"We've got a $4 billion hole, and we're spending time on microchips," said Del. Albert C. Pollard Jr. (D-Northumberland). "At least when Nero fiddled, they got good music."
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But my admitted cursory reading of the article doesn't show that Mark Cole has a plan to foil the anti-Christ, nor do any of the other quoted Republicans, and no one said that a micro-chip is the sign of the beast.

Not only that, but Mark Cole said

Quote:said that privacy issues are the chief concern behind his attempt to criminalize the involuntary implantation of microchips.

aaaaaaaaaaaaand

Quote:Several states, including Wisconsin, have approved bans such as the one Virginia is proposing, and the Georgia Senate passed a similar bill last week.

Where is their crazy? Where is the link showing how nutso cookoo those legislative bodies are for passing identical laws?

So a real story about citizen wariness of implanted tracking devices is left behind because there are some off-hand remarks made about some people's religious concerns.

And BGSU wonders why the newspapers are failing......
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(02-11-2010 03:29 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  more proof that there's a bat **** crazy wing of the GOP

Never knew that was in debate.
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(02-11-2010 03:44 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(02-11-2010 03:29 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The House of Delegates is scheduled to vote Wednesday on a bill that would protect Virginians from attempts by employers or insurance companies to implant microchips in their bodies against their will.

First sentence says it all - is there any plan to actually implant chips in people against their will?

Nah. And the Gov't would never raid a village in TX and take all the children.

Nor give unknowing blacks infections of syphlis.

Nor torture people in mental institutions.

Gov't never does that stuff.

And isn't it the liberals who are supposed to be outraged by these violations? Mach, you prove Jonah Goldberg right with every post.
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Quote:show that Mark Cole has a plan to foil the anti-Christ, nor do any of the other quoted Republicans, and no one said that a micro-chip is the sign of the beast.


said that privacy issues are the chief concern behind his attempt to criminalize the involuntary implantation of microchips. But he also said he shared concerns that the devices could someday be used as the "mark of the beast" described in the Book of Revelation.

better give another cursory read
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Torch...............

Are you saying or trying to say the govt. one day will be in cohoots with the Dark Lord?
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(02-11-2010 04:58 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  
Quote:show that Mark Cole has a plan to foil the anti-Christ, nor do any of the other quoted Republicans, and no one said that a micro-chip is the sign of the beast.


said that privacy issues are the chief concern behind his attempt to criminalize the involuntary implantation of microchips. But he also said he shared concerns that the devices could someday be used as the "mark of the beast" described in the Book of Revelation.

better give another cursory read


Keep reading and stop selectively quoting.....

Quote:"My understanding -- I'm not a theologian -- but there's a prophecy in the Bible that says you'll have to receive a mark, or you can neither buy nor sell things in end times," Cole said. "Some people think these computer chips might be that mark."


Mark Cole DID NOT SAY that he has a plan to foil the anti-christ, nor did he say that these chips are marks of the beast.
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He said the the devices could someday be used by the Dark Lord. He is attempting to beat the "Beast" before the game is played. Kind of like the terminator killing Sarah Connor before John Connor is born. This is Mark's attempt to foil the plan in Revelations. I can just see Lucifer cursing his luck of crossing paths with Mark "the devil slayer" Cole. Well Lucifer still has Fox News.
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(02-11-2010 05:06 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Torch...............

Are you saying or trying to say the govt. one day will be in cohoots with the Dark Lord?

One day?

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(02-11-2010 05:21 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  He said the the devices could someday be used by the Dark Lord. He is attempting to beat the "Beast" before the game is played. Kind of like the terminator killing Sarah Connor before John Connor is born. This is Mark's attempt to foil the plan in Revelations. I can just see Lucifer cursing his luck of crossing paths with Mark "the devil slayer" Cole. Well Lucifer still has Fox News.

No he didn't. He said that some people think that.

It's a bit akin to me taking your comment and saying, "Machiavelli thinks there are Terminators who have come back in time to kill people". He was making a dramatic allusion to "big brother" (MY dramatic illusion) and how some people see having chips "installed" on your body as a bad omen because there is something similar to that in the bible.

I'm not aware of this plan, but if multiple states have similar legislation and he isn't being laughed out of the room, there must at least be SOMETHING to their concerns.

Similarly, my insurance compnay offered me a discount if I'd install a "tracking" device on my car. Not a lojack, but one that told them when and how I drove so they could "better rate me".

I'll pass, thank you
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(02-11-2010 03:29 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  more proof that there's a bat **** crazy wing of the GOP, and unfortunately it's a rather large segment............

there's also a bat**** crazy wing of the democrats, and unfortunately it's running the country now
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(02-11-2010 09:20 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(02-11-2010 05:21 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  He said the the devices could someday be used by the Dark Lord. He is attempting to beat the "Beast" before the game is played. Kind of like the terminator killing Sarah Connor before John Connor is born. This is Mark's attempt to foil the plan in Revelations. I can just see Lucifer cursing his luck of crossing paths with Mark "the devil slayer" Cole. Well Lucifer still has Fox News.

No he didn't. He said that some people think that.

It's a bit akin to me taking your comment and saying, "Machiavelli thinks there are Terminators who have come back in time to kill people". He was making a dramatic allusion to "big brother" (MY dramatic illusion) and how some people see having chips "installed" on your body as a bad omen because there is something similar to that in the bible.

I'm not aware of this plan, but if multiple states have similar legislation and he isn't being laughed out of the room, there must at least be SOMETHING to their concerns.

Similarly, my insurance compnay offered me a discount if I'd install a "tracking" device on my car. Not a lojack, but one that told them when and how I drove so they could "better rate me".

I'll pass, thank you
I am confused by you and LS. While not a direct qute(so it is possible it might not be an accurate statement) it makes quite clear that he had the same concerns.

"But he also said he shared concerns that the devices could someday be used as the "mark of the beast" described in the Book of Revelation."
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(02-11-2010 09:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(02-11-2010 03:29 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  more proof that there's a bat **** crazy wing of the GOP, and unfortunately it's a rather large segment............

there's also a bat**** crazy wing of the democrats, and unfortunately it's running the country now

This.
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(02-12-2010 02:35 AM)RobertN Wrote:  
(02-11-2010 09:20 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(02-11-2010 05:21 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  He said the the devices could someday be used by the Dark Lord. He is attempting to beat the "Beast" before the game is played. Kind of like the terminator killing Sarah Connor before John Connor is born. This is Mark's attempt to foil the plan in Revelations. I can just see Lucifer cursing his luck of crossing paths with Mark "the devil slayer" Cole. Well Lucifer still has Fox News.

No he didn't. He said that some people think that.

It's a bit akin to me taking your comment and saying, "Machiavelli thinks there are Terminators who have come back in time to kill people". He was making a dramatic allusion to "big brother" (MY dramatic illusion) and how some people see having chips "installed" on your body as a bad omen because there is something similar to that in the bible.

I'm not aware of this plan, but if multiple states have similar legislation and he isn't being laughed out of the room, there must at least be SOMETHING to their concerns.

Similarly, my insurance compnay offered me a discount if I'd install a "tracking" device on my car. Not a lojack, but one that told them when and how I drove so they could "better rate me".

I'll pass, thank you
I am confused by you and LS. While not a direct qute(so it is possible it might not be an accurate statement) it makes quite clear that he had the same concerns.

"But he also said he shared concerns that the devices could someday be used as the "mark of the beast" described in the Book of Revelation."

No it doesn't fool. "Concern" is the writer's view of his comment.

Quote:"My understanding -- I'm not a theologian -- but there's a prophecy in the Bible that says you'll have to receive a mark, or you can neither buy nor sell things in end times," Cole said. "Some people think these computer chips might be that mark."

The use of "my understanding" and "some people" in no way puts forward that his is concerned about such a thing.
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(02-11-2010 03:29 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  "I just think you should have the right to control your own body," Cole said.

I'm sure, while the rest of us may be forced to get implants someday, pregnant women will continue to enjoy their sole right to freedom of choice.


Oh, and Obama wont show his birth certificate because it says he was born in the Carpathian Mountains of Romania.

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(02-12-2010 08:56 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  
(02-12-2010 02:35 AM)RobertN Wrote:  
(02-11-2010 09:20 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(02-11-2010 05:21 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  He said the the devices could someday be used by the Dark Lord. He is attempting to beat the "Beast" before the game is played. Kind of like the terminator killing Sarah Connor before John Connor is born. This is Mark's attempt to foil the plan in Revelations. I can just see Lucifer cursing his luck of crossing paths with Mark "the devil slayer" Cole. Well Lucifer still has Fox News.

No he didn't. He said that some people think that.

It's a bit akin to me taking your comment and saying, "Machiavelli thinks there are Terminators who have come back in time to kill people". He was making a dramatic allusion to "big brother" (MY dramatic illusion) and how some people see having chips "installed" on your body as a bad omen because there is something similar to that in the bible.

I'm not aware of this plan, but if multiple states have similar legislation and he isn't being laughed out of the room, there must at least be SOMETHING to their concerns.

Similarly, my insurance compnay offered me a discount if I'd install a "tracking" device on my car. Not a lojack, but one that told them when and how I drove so they could "better rate me".

I'll pass, thank you
I am confused by you and LS. While not a direct qute(so it is possible it might not be an accurate statement) it makes quite clear that he had the same concerns.

"But he also said he shared concerns that the devices could someday be used as the "mark of the beast" described in the Book of Revelation."

No it doesn't fool. "Concern" is the writer's view of his comment.

Quote:"My understanding -- I'm not a theologian -- but there's a prophecy in the Bible that says you'll have to receive a mark, or you can neither buy nor sell things in end times," Cole said. "Some people think these computer chips might be that mark."

The use of "my understanding" and "some people" in no way puts forward that his is concerned about such a thing.


Exactly. This happens all the time. A reporter "paraphrases" what someone says. The thread about what Clarence Thomas said is exactly the same. When you consider the level of reporter that wrote this (assuming they were even present when it was said) the level of this particular politician (who probably got less than $2000 from the RNC) and the fact that this guys speechwriter is probably his 15yr old son... seeking to make a statement with impact... You know like when people on this board call each other Marxists or whatever... I think WAY too much is being read into this.

This statement could be read the same way... and I don't think many liberals would have a problem with this...

I don't think we should be forced/encouraged/bribed by corporations into putting electronic devices in our body
I'm not a biblical scholar, but I know some people have compared it to revelations and "the mark" of the beast
Corporations are "the beast", and this is just an attempt by them to control us and our lives.

The REALLY bad thing about this is that as a result of the left's uproar over this statement, this guy just got a whole bunch of attention and money from the extremist right nut jobs of the country and will soon be running for National office. sigh...

I do appreciate the fact that you questioned my/our interpretation without being rude about it.

Thank you
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If they didn't care/believe, then why would they even bring it up. 05-stirthepot
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It never ceases to amaze me the contortions you guys use to justify a point of view. The twisted logic, he clearly said he shares concerns.
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