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(01-26-2010 02:59 PM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  
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(01-26-2010 02:52 PM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  Because it induces an abortion. It is taken after a woman tests positive for pregnancy by hormone tests and an ultrasound to confirm. Not saying I disagree with you, just surprised an pro life person is for the abortion pill.

I'm not pro-life or pro-choice. I'm pro-common sense.
So what would be your stance on abortion then? Is RU-482 the only thing that's ok? Why or why not?

There is plenty of time to make the decision to abort before the child is a viable human being.
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(01-26-2010 03:06 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(01-26-2010 02:59 PM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  
(01-26-2010 02:55 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(01-26-2010 02:52 PM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  Because it induces an abortion. It is taken after a woman tests positive for pregnancy by hormone tests and an ultrasound to confirm. Not saying I disagree with you, just surprised an pro life person is for the abortion pill.

I'm not pro-life or pro-choice. I'm pro-common sense.
So what would be your stance on abortion then? Is RU-482 the only thing that's ok? Why or why not?

There is plenty of time to make the decision to abort before the child is a viable human being.
At what point is a fetus viable? 7 months? I can get behind your opinion on this. Makes way too much sense.
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(01-26-2010 03:10 PM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  At what point is a fetus viable? 7 months? I can get behind your opinion on this. Makes way too much sense.

There are children who are born prematurely at 5 months, and they live long lives. I'd say when there's a heartbeat and brain function, it's a viable human. Then again, I'd let a doctor decide if the child could live outside the womb. Some on here think abortion is fine up until the 9th month.
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(01-26-2010 02:48 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(01-26-2010 02:33 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  I'm not saying fk the kid's life. Quite the opposite, I just don't believe the government should intrude in personal decisions concering one's body.

According to the Catholic religion any kind of birth control is forbidden. Where do you draw the line?

You are saying fk the kid's life if a decision could mean the kid's life is ended.

As for the Catholic religion, I could care less. This isn't a Catholic issue anymore than it's a Republican issue, Democrat issue, leftist issue, right-wing issue, or moonbat issue. It's a moral issue. If it's a viable child that can live outside the womb, damn right it shouldn't be murdered. Want to abort a child, do it before it's viable. ...and I do understand there are certain circumstances that would change the outcome. I.e. if the mother's life is in danger, etc.

I totally agree with what you said but I don't think the government should be the last word on this subject - WE should be.

In a perfect world we wouldn't have abortions. But lacking perfection, I'm against the gov telling me I can't have an abortion just as much as I'm against telling me I must have one. Aren't conservatives the folks who want government out of thier lives?
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(01-26-2010 03:13 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  In a perfect world we wouldn't have abortions. But lacking perfection, I'm against the gov telling me I can't have an abortion just as much as I'm against telling me I must have one. Aren't conservatives the folks who want government out of thier lives?

It is the government's job to protect life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Apparently you just don't think they're humans. Do you think it's their job to protect you from a hostile invasion, one in which you may be killed, captured, or enslaved?
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(01-26-2010 03:17 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(01-26-2010 03:13 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  In a perfect world we wouldn't have abortions. But lacking perfection, I'm against the gov telling me I can't have an abortion just as much as I'm against telling me I must have one. Aren't conservatives the folks who want government out of thier lives?

It is the government's job to protect life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Apparently you just don't think they're humans. Do you think it's their job to protect you from a hostile invasion, one in which you may be killed, captured, or enslaved?

Where did I ever say I was pro-abortion or they'e not humans? Protecting me from the Taliban is not the same as preventing me from making decisions about my own body. Like I said earlier, if they can tell me I can't have an abortion, then what's stopping them from forcing me to have one?
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(01-26-2010 03:21 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Where did I ever say I was pro-abortion or they'e not humans? Protecting me from the Taliban is not the same as preventing me from making decisions about my own body.

It's not just your body you're dealing with. If you believe they're humans, it's two bodies. If you expect them to protect you, why do you not offer that same protection to a viable human child in utero?


Quote:Like I said earlier, if they can tell me I can't have an abortion, then what's stopping them from forcing me to have one?

That would go against the protecting life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, wouldn't it?
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(01-26-2010 03:13 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(01-26-2010 03:10 PM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  At what point is a fetus viable? 7 months? I can get behind your opinion on this. Makes way too much sense.

There are children who are born prematurely at 5 months, and they live long lives. I'd say when there's a heartbeat and brain function, it's a viable human. Then again, I'd let a doctor decide if the child could live outside the womb. Some on here think abortion is fine up until the 9th month.
Thank you for the clarification.
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(01-26-2010 02:48 PM)Rebel Wrote:  It's a moral issue.

Exactly. Do we want the scumbags in DC deciding what is and isn't moral? If so, which politician's version of morality does the country follow?
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(01-26-2010 03:48 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(01-26-2010 02:48 PM)Rebel Wrote:  It's a moral issue.

Exactly. Do we want the scumbags in DC deciding what is and isn't moral? If so, which politician's version of morality does the country follow?

Do you expect our laws to protect the sanctity of life? Provide for punishment and incarceration for murder? This is not something that's out of the realm of the government's responsibility. If you believe a viable child in utero is a human then that child deserves every bit of protection from this nation of laws as you do.
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Emile Durkheim, a founder of Sociology, posited that there is a limit to the amount of deviant behavior any community can “afford to recognize.” As behavior worsens, the community adjust its standards to that conduct once thought reprehensible is no longer deemed so.

- Judge Robert Bork, "Slouching Toward Gomorrah"


this is why abortion became legal, why the Gay movement keeps gaining steam(but unthinkable not long ago) and on our current
trajectory things like Polygomy, Pedophilia, and so forth will make a comeback. Gradually shifting from the Founding worldview rooted in Judeo-Christianity morality to a Humanistic worldview rooted in Man as god, "anything goes" hedonism.

supply and demand at work.

Not that its that cut and dry(doomsday ahead), even though we've committed nearly 60 million since Roe v. Wade(many call it an American Holocaust and a call to repetence), many Americans are becoming Pro-Life on that issue. 4-D Ultrasound and I suppose the 35 yr national debate are helping that movement.

Ky just passed a bill to make mothers watch an Ultrasound of an abortion I think.
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(01-26-2010 03:52 PM)Rebel Wrote:  If you believe a viable child in utero is a human then that child deserves every bit of protection from this nation of laws as you do.

I agree with you on this which is why I'm totally opposed to late term abortions. But should your/my opinion be the law of the land without consideration of what others feel? I think you and I agree on this subject more than we disagree.
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One of the main differences between the US and any tyrannical regime in the world is we protect and respect the sanctity of life. I believe freedom is rooted in that sanctity.
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(01-26-2010 04:01 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  I agree with you on this which is why I'm totally opposed to late term abortions. But should your/my opinion be the law of the land without consideration of what others feel? I think you and I agree on this subject more than we disagree.

About what others feel? What about the child? What if I just decide I don't want my 1 year old anymore? Should it be about what "I" feel? When does the child's wish for life come into play?
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(01-26-2010 03:48 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(01-26-2010 02:48 PM)Rebel Wrote:  It's a moral issue.

Exactly. Do we want the scumbags in DC deciding what is and isn't moral? If so, which politician's version of morality does the country follow?

Exactly, which individual Humans version of morality? i.e. Humanism, man as end unto himself...which always leads to Tyranny.

Murder is a Moral issue as well, Pro-Lifers view abortion as Murder. What if a politician decided Murder is no longer immoral, so have at it? Chaos....with anti-abortionist its like other laws that defend the Defensless.
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(01-26-2010 04:03 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(01-26-2010 04:01 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  I agree with you on this which is why I'm totally opposed to late term abortions. But should your/my opinion be the law of the land without consideration of what others feel? I think you and I agree on this subject more than we disagree.

About what others feel? What about the child? What if I just decide I don't want my 1 year old anymore? Should it be about what "I" feel? When does the child's wish for life come into play?

When I said "what others feel" I was referring to those who are totally against abortions or have different time frames for when they should be allowed. As for you hypothetical about not wanting your 1 year old, the preferred method would be adoption just like that SHOULD be the preferred method instead of abortion.
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(01-26-2010 04:01 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  But should your/my opinion be the law of the land without consideration of what others feel?

Or should we seek a higher standard than that of humans?

Example: "We are endowed by our Creator with certain Inalienable Rights...."

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(01-26-2010 03:59 PM)GGniner Wrote:  why the Gay movement keeps gaining steam

Sorry I couldn't help but laugh at this.

They gays are coming! Interior decorating, fashion makeovers, and Oxygen programming marathons!! THE HORROR!!!!!

03-lmfao

If anything you should CHEERING for the gay guys. I know I am. Leaves more poontang for me.
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(01-26-2010 04:09 PM)GGniner Wrote:  Murder is a Moral issue as well, Pro-Lifers view abortion as Murder.

I would have thought murder is a civil rights issue rather than a moral one.
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(01-26-2010 04:14 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Leaves more poontang for me.

You have a point. I never looked at it that way. 03-lmfao
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