I was reading an article that said that the Big 10 might become the Big 14.
What would this do to all the conferences. The big east would be down to 5 football teams.

East
Penn State
Rutgers
Syracuse
Pitt
Ohio State
Purdue
Indiana

West
Iowa
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Illinois
Northwestern
Michigan
Michigan State

The governor of Missouir, a University of Missouri alum, has already publicly stated that if the Big 10 comes calling that Missouri needs to listen and work towards getting into the Big Ten. Additionally, those that support Penn State want to add Pitt as a rival in the league. Also, the talk has been about adding Rutgers as a means to tap into the New York market, which would mean adding Rutgers. The big thing in the Big 10's favor is the amount of revenue that the league is currently bringing in with the Big 10 Network. Adding the markets attached to the aforementioned schools will just increase the league's bargaining abilities to receive even more money. So, the proposed league would more than likely look like this:

Division A
Pitt
Rutgers
Ohio State
Illinois
Northwestern
Minnesota
Purdue

Division B
Michigan
Penn State
Michigan State
Iowa
Wisconsin
Indiana
Missouri

The league would look something like this because the league would like the possible championship game matchups between Ohio State and Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State, and Ohio State and Iowa as these games will have supreme game attendance and television ratings.

In any event, the above move would cause losses to the Big East and the Big 12. I could see the Big 12 adding TCU or Houston to round out the league. My choice would be TCU as it would add the Dallas market to the league. The addition of TCU would cause the MWC to add Boise State from the WAC. As for the Big East, they would not only add two teams to replace the two they lost, they would go all out to move to a 12 team league for stabilization purposes (thus adding 6 teams). Those teams I would see as being East Carolina (CUSA), Central Florida (CUSA), Army (Independent), Marshall (CUSA), Temple (MAC), and Navy (Independent). With the loss of Temple, the MAC will add Middle Tenn (SBC) for their market. CUSA will have to add 3 programs. I would see those as being Troy (SBC), Florida Atlantic (SBC) and Western Kentucky (SBC). All of this would leave the SBC and the WAC with decisions to make. The SBC would be 4 teams down, but will be picking up one in South Alabama, so it would have to replace 3 programs. The SBC would still be able to play as a league, as it would have 6 teams in the league. The WAC would be down Boise, a lot of prestige and a lot of money. However, it will keep its 8 programs and roll with the punches. So, the main league that would be adversely affected would be the SBC. Being down so many programs will require the league to recruit the following programs to move up to FBS football: Texas State, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, and then look to see which program out of Central Arkansas, North Alabama, App. State or first FBS HBCU in Florida A&M will be able to make the move up to FBS football the fastest. The SBC would then have a lineup of:

Arkansas State
ULM
ULL
Florida International
South Alabama
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Texas State
North Texas
Florida A & M, Central Arkansas, App. State or North Alabama

MT would never go to the MAC.

(12-27-2009 10:55 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  MT would never go to the MAC.

But, he spent all that time coming up with that scenario, wouldn't they do it for him?

(12-27-2009 11:00 AM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(12-27-2009 10:55 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  MT would never go to the MAC.

But, he spent all that time coming up with that scenario, wouldn't they do it for him?

To both I say never say never...I am sure many thought the Big East would never have a school like Louisville, well there they are...anyways, all of that is besides the point. Whether MT goes to the MAC of CUSA and WKU goes to CUSA or the MAC, both schools stand a chance to be gone from the SBC under a huge realignment effort. It is up to the individual schools to decide where they are going, but trust me if the Big 10 adds 3 more schools they will be going somewhere that is not the SBC.

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IMO the Big 12 doesn't need another university located in Texas.
TCU/SMU/Houston do not bring Fort Worth/Dallas/Houston markets.
The Texas markets already belong to the Big 12.

I read a small blurb in an Oklahoma paper, which stated the Big 12
might look at BYU/Utah or New Mexico. Anyone of these three would
add new markets----but would not come close to replacing Missouri.

(12-27-2009 11:18 AM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  

(12-27-2009 11:00 AM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(12-27-2009 10:55 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  MT would never go to the MAC.

But, he spent all that time coming up with that scenario, wouldn't they do it for him?

To both I say never say never......

NEVER

I'm assuming your saying WKU to C-USA because of basketball right? If they were to choose a SBC school for football I'd say either USA or MTSU.

If Missouri were to opt for the Big 10..............

Some possible candidates for Missouri's spot in the Big XII North ?

Arkansas ? They may not want to leave the bigger SEC bucks.

TCU ? Would the Big XII take another private school ? Might be questionable. (Stadium 46,000 - attendance average 38,187)

Colorado State ? Small market. (Stadium - 34,400 - attendance average 23,643)

Houston ? Too far south to be a decent fit ? (Stadium 33,00 - attendance average 25,242)

Memphis ? Outside of the Big XII footprint. Tigers look east and would probably prefer being reunited with traditional rivals Cincy and Louisville.

BYU ? Utah ? New Mexico ? Very doubtful any of the three would be considered.

There is no clear cut candidate to replace Missouri in the Big XII North if they were to bolt for the Big 10. Market location and size along with school growth potential could be key issues in selecting a replacement

Big XII makes one-third as much in TV revenue as the SEC. No point in discussing Arkansas to Big XII. If you want to talk about Big XII teams wanting to go SEC... that's another matter.

With all due respect to my Trojan friends, as long as C-USA keeps up their current model, the Trojans will not be C-USA bound.

(12-29-2009 01:05 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  With all due respect to my Trojan friends, as long as C-USA keeps up their current model, the Trojans will not be C-USA bound.

I don't disagree at all. At this time I don't think we will be a candidate for CUSA. A conference swap would be the best for our conference, or if we can all stick together and pick who we want. But we saw how that went last time.

(12-29-2009 01:05 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  With all due respect to my Trojan friends, as long as C-USA keeps up their current model, the Trojans will not be C-USA bound.

I agree. Troy/MTSU/ASU/ULL etc will be in the SBC for a long time. CUSA might be more interested in adding FAU or FIU.

(12-29-2009 07:07 AM)T2003 Wrote:  

(12-29-2009 01:05 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  With all due respect to my Trojan friends, as long as C-USA keeps up their current model, the Trojans will not be C-USA bound.

I agree. Troy/MTSU/ASU/ULL etc will be in the SBC for a long time. CUSA might be more interested in adding FAU or FIU.

Is that a bad thing?

Honestly I dont know whats going to happen or what I would want for FAU.

I like the Sun Belt. Weve built some rivalrys, had great success and its a growing confrence.

CUSA is attractive to me for 2 reasons.

1.) More bowl games
2.) UCF as a confrence mate

If either of those 2 were to lessen or evaporate I dont think I would want to be in CUSA. Its been hard enough to establish traditions being so new to Football that a move would probably retard any progress on that front. (unless of course a AQ confrence came a calling, but I dont see that happening)

We now look forward to playing Troy/MTSU/FIU because we have gotten to know the schools and what they can do. I would be loathe to leave that lil bit of history we have had behind for a "lateral" move into another Non-AQ.

(12-27-2009 10:33 AM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  The governor of Missouir, a University of Missouri alum, has already publicly stated that if the Big 10 comes calling that Missouri needs to listen and work towards getting into the Big Ten. Additionally, those that support Penn State want to add Pitt as a rival in the league. Also, the talk has been about adding Rutgers as a means to tap into the New York market, which would mean adding Rutgers. The big thing in the Big 10's favor is the amount of revenue that the league is currently bringing in with the Big 10 Network. Adding the markets attached to the aforementioned schools will just increase the league's bargaining abilities to receive even more money. So, the proposed league would more than likely look like this:

Division A
Pitt
Rutgers
Ohio State
Illinois
Northwestern
Minnesota
Purdue

Division B
Michigan
Penn State
Michigan State
Iowa
Wisconsin
Indiana
Missouri

The league would look something like this because the league would like the possible championship game matchups between Ohio State and Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State, and Ohio State and Iowa as these games will have supreme game attendance and television ratings.

In any event, the above move would cause losses to the Big East and the Big 12. I could see the Big 12 adding TCU or Houston to round out the league. My choice would be TCU as it would add the Dallas market to the league. The addition of TCU would cause the MWC to add Boise State from the WAC. As for the Big East, they would not only add two teams to replace the two they lost, they would go all out to move to a 12 team league for stabilization purposes (thus adding 6 teams). Those teams I would see as being East Carolina (CUSA), Central Florida (CUSA), Army (Independent), Marshall (CUSA), Temple (MAC), and Navy (Independent). With the loss of Temple, the MAC will add Middle Tenn (SBC) for their market. CUSA will have to add 3 programs. I would see those as being Troy (SBC), Florida Atlantic (SBC) and Western Kentucky (SBC). All of this would leave the SBC and the WAC with decisions to make. The SBC would be 4 teams down, but will be picking up one in South Alabama, so it would have to replace 3 programs. The SBC would still be able to play as a league, as it would have 6 teams in the league. The WAC would be down Boise, a lot of prestige and a lot of money. However, it will keep its 8 programs and roll with the punches. So, the main league that would be adversely affected would be the SBC. Being down so many programs will require the league to recruit the following programs to move up to FBS football: Texas State, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, and then look to see which program out of Central Arkansas, North Alabama, App. State or first FBS HBCU in Florida A&M will be able to make the move up to FBS football the fastest. The SBC would then have a lineup of:

Arkansas State
ULM
ULL
Florida International
South Alabama
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Texas State
North Texas
Florida A & M, Central Arkansas, App. State or North Alabama

I agree that if the Big Ten looks to expand, DMAs will play a big part. Rutgers (NYC) Mizzou (StL and KC).

Teams ebb and flow, but geography is consistent. If the Big Ten is interested in just making money, then I could see them splitting it the way you suggested. However, rigging it for such a matchup is unnecessary. You will still get build up for major games no matter where they fall in the season. Texas/Oklahoma play every October in Dallas. Everyone knows what is on the line at that point, and it is just as exciting as a conference championship game. Moving Oklahoma to the B12 North just to create artificial buzz is not necessary.

TCU does not bring the Dallas market to the Big XII. They already have it. If you look at the Fort Worth Star Telegram or the Dallas Morning news, they already cover the B12 teams. DFW has large concentrations of OU, OSU, TTU, UT, A&M, and Baylor alums. Adding TCU is not going to turn more TVs on, or sell more news papers. Additionally, the Dallas Cowboys are the National Team of Texas. I would imagine that the NFL killzone is stronger in DFW than it is in Houston (as few people outside of Houston root for the Texans).

I rarely spend time in the Houston area, but I know a large number of Aggies, Horns, and LSU tigers that live in the area. You might have a better chance of tapping into that market. By adding University of Houston, you may be able to convert Houston-area fans from LSU to UH. And it may be easier to combat the NFL zone.

I remember reading an opinion piece on the history of the Big 12 that said they did not want a school situated in a major market because there were too many entertainment options and it hurt attendance figures. There is nothing else to do on Saturdays in Lubbock, College Station, or Waco (I have too assume that it is the same in Lincoln, Manhattan, and Stillwater).

I agree with your assessment of The Big East / CUSA realignment. However, the new Sunbelt looks interesting. FIU is left by themselves (unless FAMU joins). would a HBCU schools like FAMU be willing to give up that history and culture of classics to play FBS? North Alabama is still a D2 school, and UCA less than 5 years removed from D2. People on this board hate the idea of being a home for transitioning FCS-to-FBS teams, what would be the public perception if you took D2-to-FBS teams?

(12-29-2009 01:57 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  I agree with your assessment of The Big East / CUSA realignment. However, the new Sunbelt looks interesting. FIU is left by themselves (unless FAMU joins). would a HBCU schools like FAMU be willing to give up that history and culture of classics to play FBS? North Alabama is still a D2 school, and UCA less than 5 years removed from D2. People on this board hate the idea of being a home for transitioning FCS-to-FBS teams, what would be the public perception if you took D2-to-FBS teams?

FAMU was looking to move up and in fact was in the process of doing it before FAU. Im not sure exactly what happened but right in the middle they stopped and elected to stay D2.

(12-29-2009 02:19 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  FAMU was looking to move up and in fact was in the process of doing it before FAU. Im not sure exactly what happened but right in the middle they stopped and elected to stay D2.

When the light was shown on the FAMU books, the university nearly collapsed. They're an institutional mess; no chance there.

Hello,SBC fans.As a Memphis fan I'm always interested in expansion talk in D1.Personally,I don't see the Big Ten adding 3 schools to get to 14 as it is a very awkward number.Before the last re-alignment C-USA had 14 basketball schools & it was bizarre having 2 teams not allowed in the conference tournament.Prior to the 2009 tournament the Big East had 4 schools left out each year.

With all due respect to bluephi1914 I don't see most of the moves he mentioned as plausible.Army & Navy are like Notre Dame in the fact that they'll only join a conference if they're forced to.Both have declined invitations to C-USA because football is the only major sport where they could be competive.If the Big East went to 12 football schools it would include Villanova moving up to the FBS.I only see the BE replacing the school(s) needed to get it back to 8.I wouldn't argue with anyone who suggests the Big East will eventually go to 12 football schools but I would argue against it happening in the near future.My thinking is the Big East & Big Ten will have a combined 20 football schools compared to bluephi1914's 26.I write this knowing he may be the one proven correct but I'm only pointing out that's a huge difference when you're talking about 2 conferences & not having even mentioned the domino effect that would occur.

Here's what I think will happen.The Big Ten selects between Rutgers,Pittsburgh & Syracuse to become the 12th member & stop at that point.The Big East then chooses between East Carolina,Memphis & Central Florida to get them back to 8 & stop.The only way Marshall gets in is if the Big East & C-USA have a complete merger.In other words,their chances are the same as Rice & UTEP.C-USA will take Louisiana Tech to replace whoever leaves because Tech had a lot of support within the conference to replace TCU a few years ago & there's always been a sort of understanding that they would be the next school in.The question is does the WAC go after a SBC school to replace Tech?I'll be honest & tell you that I have no idea who they would prefer.It could be from any number of schools & you guys have a much better take on this than I do.What does the SBC do if they lose a school?

While I wouldn't be shocked if Missouri went to the Big Ten I'll just say that I'll add to the list that includes Kentucky to the Big Ten,Florida to the ACC & Vanderbilt & Clemson trading conferences.I think Missouri would accept an offer but I think the Big Ten is only looking to the East.

(12-30-2009 02:42 PM)Gibson Tiger Wrote:  The question is does the WAC go after a SBC school to replace Tech?I'll be honest & tell you that I have no idea who they would prefer.It could be from any number of schools & you guys have a much better take on this than I do.What does the SBC do if they lose a school?

While I wouldn't be shocked if Missouri went to the Big Ten I'll just say that I'll add to the list that includes Kentucky to the Big Ten,Florida to the ACC & Vanderbilt & Clemson trading conferences.I think Missouri would accept an offer but I think the Big Ten is only looking to the East.

First off, welcome! Come post here more often!

Does the WAC go after an SBC school? They might, but I'd think most would decline. La Tech is a weird fit geographically in the WAC, and only North Texas would be closer, and that is not a lot closer.

What does the SBC do if they lose a school? They are in pretty good shape there with South Alabama about to join and Western Kentucky fresh in. App State and Georgia State are frequently mentioned as potential new players, but I do not think App State is all that interested in moving up. Most schools established in the old Division I are in a conference and the SBC is perceived as a lower-quality conference, although the opinioon is starting to change. Maybe getting good HSBC schools is a good option, but they'd have to be in better shape financially than Florida A&M was. I have no idea if it is viable, but I think Southern or Grambling in the Sun Belt would be very interesting ...

Kentucky to the Big Ten? Florida to the ACC? Vandy and Clemson swapping conferences? Dude, send me some of what you are smoking! The SEC has VERY stiff penalties for schools choosing to jump ship. I actually like the Vandy/Clemson thing, but that is a double loser for the ACC and they are not so dumb as to take that. Clemson is a money-maker for the ACC and Vandy does not even have an official athletic department.

Good stuff, though ... of course, no one does anything until the first domino is toppled.