Again... I'm sure if the roles were reversed, UF would be the "all-powerful SEC team with the travelling fanbase", whereas UC would be the "lame BE team in a pro town that doesn't travel". Double-standard, anyone?

(12-21-2009 12:42 AM)tj_2009 Wrote:  

(12-20-2009 11:48 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  According to the Miami Herald today, Florida does not expect to sell all their tickets to a bowl game for the first time in years. They sold 13,000 out of their 17,500 allotment.
Seems like gator fans have gotten spoiled.

I have a feeling it has more to do with the economy than not supporting the Florida Gators. You are not going to recklessly spend your money on football tickets if you are in danger of losing your house or your job. In case you are not aware Florida is one of the hardest hit states from the recession and the housing bust along with California, Arizona, Nevada, Michigan, North Carolina and South Carolina.

I would have to agree with this to a point. I was down in Sarasota in August and June, and I tell you I have never seen so many empty storefronts in plazas or homes for rent in all of my years in one place. I would have to think that it is a similar situation all over Florida.
But its not a terribly expensive trip for Gator fans to make the trip to Atlanta. A relatively short drive, and tickets and a hotel room maybe, would not be so expensive for many folks.

(12-21-2009 08:34 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  Again... I'm sure if the roles were reversed, UF would be the "all-powerful SEC team with the travelling fanbase", whereas UC would be the "lame BE team in a pro town that doesn't travel". Double-standard, anyone?

It would be a double standard if UC had a large stadium they filled regularly. But they don't. It's a 35,000 seat stadium that's not known for being sold out regularly...

This isn't hard to figure out: Florida had their SEC and national title hopes crushed recently, so even a BCS bid like the Sugar is surely perceived as a letdown, disappointment. Call the fans 'spoiled' if you want, but i think any team's fan-base that has had similar success would react the same way.

Very impressive effort by UC. First off, there is no defending Florida not selling out their alotment other then being spoiled. It's still the Sugar Bowl, and you're getting to send off one of the best players in your school's history, a player that has lead you to numerous SEC title game appearances, a couple of SEC and national titles.

On the flip side, a VERY impressive effort by the Bearcats. Kelly quits on the team days after winning the Big East title, and we STILL sell out our tickets and try to buy Florida's tickets as well. Great effort, I'm proud of this program.

(12-24-2009 12:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  This isn't hard to figure out: Florida had their SEC and national title hopes crushed recently, so even a BCS bid like the Sugar is surely perceived as a letdown, disappointment. Call the fans 'spoiled' if you want, but i think any team's fan-base that has had similar success would react the same way.

I noticed that the same people who are jumping to Florida's defense weren't jumping to West Virginia's defense when the same thing happened following their loss to Pitt, that crushed their national title hopes. In fact, many of the same people were criticizing WVU.

(12-24-2009 03:18 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  I noticed that the same people who are jumping to Florida's defense weren't jumping to West Virginia's defense when the same thing happened following their loss to Pitt, that crushed their national title hopes. In fact, many of the same people were criticizing WVU.

I noticed that myself...

(12-20-2009 07:30 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(12-20-2009 06:53 PM)shocknawe Wrote:  

(12-20-2009 01:49 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Florida regularly fills an 80,000 seat stadium for regular season games. UC doesn't. Nuff said...

Kind of hard for UC to put 80k in the seats considering UC's stadium only holds 35k.

My point exactly. UC needs to expand their stadium capacity. They'll get more respect, if they do...

agreed, they must do this asap and bld luxury boxes.,:domokun:

(12-24-2009 03:16 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  Very impressive effort by UC. First off, there is no defending Florida not selling out their alotment other then being spoiled. It's still the Sugar Bowl, and you're getting to send off one of the best players in your school's history, a player that has lead you to numerous SEC title game appearances, a couple of SEC and national titles.

On the flip side, a VERY impressive effort by the Bearcats. Kelly quits on the team days after winning the Big East title, and we STILL sell out our tickets and try to buy Florida's tickets as well. Great effort, I'm proud of this program.

this is good and u guys have to push hard for a 50 +k stadium upgrade now, kelly woke up a sleepind monster and cinci must git it while the gittin is goiod.

(12-24-2009 03:18 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 12:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  This isn't hard to figure out: Florida had their SEC and national title hopes crushed recently, so even a BCS bid like the Sugar is surely perceived as a letdown, disappointment. Call the fans 'spoiled' if you want, but i think any team's fan-base that has had similar success would react the same way.

I noticed that the same people who are jumping to Florida's defense weren't jumping to West Virginia's defense when the same thing happened following their loss to Pitt, that crushed their national title hopes. In fact, many of the same people were criticizing WVU.

I thought WVU sold a decent amount of Fiesta tickets?

In any event, the situations are somewhat different: UF lost not just the national title chance but the SEC as well, whereas WVU was still the Big East champ. And let's face it: going to an "ordinary" BCS bowl was, in 2007, still a much bigger deal for WVU than doing so this year is for Florida.

(12-24-2009 03:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 03:18 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 12:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  This isn't hard to figure out: Florida had their SEC and national title hopes crushed recently, so even a BCS bid like the Sugar is surely perceived as a letdown, disappointment. Call the fans 'spoiled' if you want, but i think any team's fan-base that has had similar success would react the same way.

I noticed that the same people who are jumping to Florida's defense weren't jumping to West Virginia's defense when the same thing happened following their loss to Pitt, that crushed their national title hopes. In fact, many of the same people were criticizing WVU.

I thought WVU sold a decent amount of Fiesta tickets?

In any event, the situations are somewhat different: UF lost not just the national title chance but the SEC as well, whereas WVU was still the Big East champ. And let's face it: going to an "ordinary" BCS bowl was, in 2007, still a much bigger deal for WVU than doing so this year is for Florida.

Quo, do you believe half of the stuff you post or do you just like to argue? Good lord.

I vote argue...

(12-24-2009 04:35 PM)WacoBearcat Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 03:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 03:18 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 12:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  This isn't hard to figure out: Florida had their SEC and national title hopes crushed recently, so even a BCS bid like the Sugar is surely perceived as a letdown, disappointment. Call the fans 'spoiled' if you want, but i think any team's fan-base that has had similar success would react the same way.

I noticed that the same people who are jumping to Florida's defense weren't jumping to West Virginia's defense when the same thing happened following their loss to Pitt, that crushed their national title hopes. In fact, many of the same people were criticizing WVU.

I thought WVU sold a decent amount of Fiesta tickets?

In any event, the situations are somewhat different: UF lost not just the national title chance but the SEC as well, whereas WVU was still the Big East champ. And let's face it: going to an "ordinary" BCS bowl was, in 2007, still a much bigger deal for WVU than doing so this year is for Florida.

Quo, do you believe half of the stuff you post or do you just like to argue? Good lord.

Quo doesnt like to acknowledge a good point when its made to refute his argument, in fact he wont. So I vote argue.

That's 2 votes for argue against none for belief. Any other votes, or have the polls closed?

(12-24-2009 06:24 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 04:35 PM)WacoBearcat Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 03:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 03:18 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 12:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  This isn't hard to figure out: Florida had their SEC and national title hopes crushed recently, so even a BCS bid like the Sugar is surely perceived as a letdown, disappointment. Call the fans 'spoiled' if you want, but i think any team's fan-base that has had similar success would react the same way.

I noticed that the same people who are jumping to Florida's defense weren't jumping to West Virginia's defense when the same thing happened following their loss to Pitt, that crushed their national title hopes. In fact, many of the same people were criticizing WVU.

I thought WVU sold a decent amount of Fiesta tickets?

In any event, the situations are somewhat different: UF lost not just the national title chance but the SEC as well, whereas WVU was still the Big East champ. And let's face it: going to an "ordinary" BCS bowl was, in 2007, still a much bigger deal for WVU than doing so this year is for Florida.

Quo, do you believe half of the stuff you post or do you just like to argue? Good lord.

Quo doesnt like to acknowledge a good point when its made to refute his argument, in fact he wont. So I vote argue.

This space reserved for you to give an example of someone 'refuting' an argument of mine and me not acknowledging it:

Bottomline, people didn't cut West Virginia any slack, why cut Florida any slack? Whether you're spoiled or not, you have a Top 5 team playing in the Sugar Bowl.

(12-24-2009 08:12 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 06:24 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 04:35 PM)WacoBearcat Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 03:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 03:18 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 12:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  This isn't hard to figure out: Florida had their SEC and national title hopes crushed recently, so even a BCS bid like the Sugar is surely perceived as a letdown, disappointment. Call the fans 'spoiled' if you want, but i think any team's fan-base that has had similar success would react the same way.

I noticed that the same people who are jumping to Florida's defense weren't jumping to West Virginia's defense when the same thing happened following their loss to Pitt, that crushed their national title hopes. In fact, many of the same people were criticizing WVU.

I thought WVU sold a decent amount of Fiesta tickets?

In any event, the situations are somewhat different: UF lost not just the national title chance but the SEC as well, whereas WVU was still the Big East champ. And let's face it: going to an "ordinary" BCS bowl was, in 2007, still a much bigger deal for WVU than doing so this year is for Florida.

Quo, do you believe half of the stuff you post or do you just like to argue? Good lord.

Quo doesnt like to acknowledge a good point when its made to refute his argument, in fact he wont. So I vote argue.

This space reserved for you to give an example of someone 'refuting' an argument of mine and me not acknowledging it:

Well I stand corrected. I do remember one instance in particular of you actually acknowledging a good point someone made when you were telling us BE fans that you are never able to watch any BE games on tv down in your neck of the woods in Louisiana because the games are not on tv. When a certain BE fan called you out and said that he is able to watch BE games every week in Louisiana you did acknowledge that he was right after being cornered and then saying that the games are not available in HD. So I apologize for saying that you "wont" acknowledge a good point refuting your argument.

(12-24-2009 11:21 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 08:12 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 06:24 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 04:35 PM)WacoBearcat Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 03:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 03:18 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 12:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  This isn't hard to figure out: Florida had their SEC and national title hopes crushed recently, so even a BCS bid like the Sugar is surely perceived as a letdown, disappointment. Call the fans 'spoiled' if you want, but i think any team's fan-base that has had similar success would react the same way.

I noticed that the same people who are jumping to Florida's defense weren't jumping to West Virginia's defense when the same thing happened following their loss to Pitt, that crushed their national title hopes. In fact, many of the same people were criticizing WVU.

I thought WVU sold a decent amount of Fiesta tickets?

In any event, the situations are somewhat different: UF lost not just the national title chance but the SEC as well, whereas WVU was still the Big East champ. And let's face it: going to an "ordinary" BCS bowl was, in 2007, still a much bigger deal for WVU than doing so this year is for Florida.

Quo, do you believe half of the stuff you post or do you just like to argue? Good lord.

Quo doesnt like to acknowledge a good point when its made to refute his argument, in fact he wont. So I vote argue.

This space reserved for you to give an example of someone 'refuting' an argument of mine and me not acknowledging it:

Well I stand corrected. I do remember one instance in particular of you actually acknowledging a good point someone made when you were telling us BE fans that you are never able to watch any BE games on tv down in your neck of the woods in Louisiana because the games are not on tv. When a certain BE fan called you out and said that he is able to watch BE games every week in Louisiana you did acknowledge that he was right after being cornered and then saying that the games are not available in HD. So I apologize for saying that you "wont" acknowledge a good point refuting your argument.

I'd decline that acknowledgment, simply because in that case, i never made an 'argument' per se, just an offhand comment about the absence of Big East broadcasts in BR (which was wrong, and based on my ignorance of channel 37, a fairly obscure, non-major-network, Big East offerings), which the other post chose to jump all over as if i'd posted 99 theses or somesuch and make a huge deal about.

But generally, i make it a habit of tipping my hat to good arguments made by others. In this case, though, "wacobearcat" didn't bother to try and refute my argument about UF fans lack of motivation to buy Sugar tickets compared to WVU at the Fiesta in 07, he just responded by asking if i like to be argumentative. Not sure how to respond to that, either ... lo..

It is some what apples n oranges. Yes WV was disapointed they were not in national champ game, but were still excited to be in a bcs game. UF is not. Once they lost to Ala, their season ended as far as most UF fans are concerned. They are at a point where it was national title or a failed season. There is 0 buzz in the state of Fla over this game. I think there is more buzz over WV/FSU with a bad FSU team than there buzz over UF/CINCY.

(12-25-2009 07:49 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  It is some what apples n oranges. Yes WV was disapointed they were not in national champ game, but were still excited to be in a bcs game. UF is not. Once they lost to Ala, their season ended as far as most UF fans are concerned. They are at a point where it was national title or a failed season. There is 0 buzz in the state of Fla over this game. I think there is more buzz over WV/FSU with a bad FSU team than there buzz over UF/CINCY.

Yes, WVU was still Big East champs, and going to a BCS bowl to play a traditional power like Oklahoma was still a very big deal for them, despite the disappointment of the Pitt loss. Plus, the coaching change, particularly the bad feelings about how RR left, probably helped the team circle the wagons for the game and focused their motivation. But UF's position is clearly different.

Ideally, of course, UF fans would suck it all up, buy the tix, and go to New Orleans to support the team. But it's obvious why they aren't.