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11 Muslims Escorted Off AirTran Flt Atl-Hou, LameStream Media DumbDowned the Story?
Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 5:38 PM

There seems to be a discrepancy between what the UPI reports and what eye witnesses report! Here is UPI:

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ATLANTA, Nov. 19 (UPI) -- A Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman said a lengthy delay of a flight from Atlanta to Houston will face an agency investigation.

Regional FAA spokeswoman Kathleen Bergen said Wednesday AirTran informed the agency of Tuesday's incident in which a male passenger refused to turn off an electronic device prior to takeoff, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported.

A flight attendant took the device from the passenger, whose identity was not released, after the man ignored her requests twice, Bergen said.
"Passengers are required to follow instructions of the flight attendants," the FAA official said.

AirTran spokesman Christopher White said the device appeared to be a cell phone, but it was unclear whether the passenger was talking on the device or using it to text or take photos.

Due to the passenger incident, the pilot of Flight 297 returned to the gate and the passenger and a group he was traveling with were told to exit the aircraft.

The Journal-Constitution said the flight then faced a two-and-a-half hour delay before finally departing Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport for Houston.

2009 United Press International, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

Here is an eye witness description:

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Wednesday, December 2, 2009

Muslims Terrorize and Disrupt Flight With "Dry Run" From Atlanta to Houston

This story has not made headlines and may never be told by the lying media but we are trying to get the following account out to the public. It is important to know Homeland Security is NOT taking care of its job and seems to be more concerned about political correctness than passenger safety. This was sent directly to us from the individual who had the experience. The information has been verified. Here is the story.

One week ago, I went to Ohio on business and to see my father. On Tuesday, November the 17th, I returned home. If you read the papers the 18th you may have seen a blurb where a AirTran flight was cancelled from Atlanta to Houston due to a man who refused to get off of his cell phone before takeoff. It was on Fox. This was NOT what happened.

I was in 1st class coming home. 11 Muslim men got on the plane in full attire. 2 sat in 1st class and the rest peppered themselves throughout the plane all the way to the back. As the plane taxied to the runway the stewardesses gave the safety spiel we are all so familiar with. At that time, one of the men got on his cell and called one of his companions in the back and proceeded to talk on the phone in Arabic very loudly and very aggressively. This took the 1st stewardess out of the picture for she repeatedly told the man that cell phones were not permitted at the time. He ignored her as if she was not there. The 2nd man who answered the phone did the same and this took out the 2nd stewardess.

In the back of the plane at this time, 2 younger Muslims, one in the back, isle, and one in front of him, window, began to show footage of a porno they had taped the night before, and were very loud about it. Now….they are only permitted to do this prior to Jihad.. If a Muslim man goes into a strip club, he has to view the woman via mirror with his back to her. (don’t ask me….I don’t make the rules, but I’ve studied) The 3rd stewardess informed them that they were not to have electronic devices on at this time. To which one of the men said “shut up infidel dog!” She went to take the camcorder and he began to scream in her face in Arabic.

At that exact moment, all 11 of them got up and started to walk the cabin. This is where I had had enough! I got up and started to the back where I heard a voice behind me from another Texan twice my size say “I got your back.” I grabbed the man who had been on the phone by the arm and said “you WILL go sit down or you Will be thrown from this plane!” As I “led” him around me to take his seat, the fellow Texan grabbed him by the back of his neck and his waist and headed out with him. I then grabbed the 2nd man and said, “You WILL do the same!” He protested but adrenaline was flowing now and he was going to go. As I escorted him forward the plane doors open and 3 TSA agents and 4 police officers entered. Me and my new Texan friend were told to cease and desist for they had this under control. I was happy to oblige. There was some commotion in the back, but within moments, all 11 were escorted off the plane. They then unloaded their luggage.

We talked about the occurrence and were in disbelief that it had happen, when suddenly, the door open again and on walked all 11!! Stone faced, eyes front and robotic (the only way I can describe it). The stewardess from the back had been in tears and when she saw this, she was having NONE of it! Being that I was up front, I heard and saw the whole ordeal. She told the TSA agent there was NO WAY she was staying on the plane with these men. The agent told her they had searched them and were going to go through their luggage with a fine tooth comb and that they were allowed to proceed to Houston. The captain and co-captain came out and told the agent “we and our crew will not fly this plane!”

After a word or two, the entire crew, luggage in tow, left the plane. 5 minutes later, the cabin door opened again and a whole new crew walked on. Again…..this is where I had had enough!!! I got up and asked “What the hell is going on!?!?” I was told to take my seat. They were sorry for the delay and I would be home shortly. I said “I’m getting off this plane”. The stewardess sternly told me that she could not allow me to get off. (now I’m mad!) I said “I am a grown man who bought this ticket, who’s time is mine with a family at home and I am going through that door, or I’m going through that door with you under my arm!! But I am going through that door!!” And I heard a voice behind me say “so am I”. Then everyone behind us started to get up and say the same.. Within 2 minutes, I was walking off that plane where I was met with more agents who asked me to write a statement. I had 5 hours to kill at this point so why the hell not. Due to the amount of people who got off that flight, it was cancelled. I was supposed to be in Houston at 6pm. I got here at 12:30am. Look up the date.. Flight 297 Atlanta to Houston.

If this wasn’t a dry run, I don’t know what one is. They wanted to see how TSA would handle it, how the crew would handle it, and how the passengers would handle it. I’m telling this to you because I want you to know…. The threat is real. I saw it with my own eyes….

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don't you think it sounds a little ridiculous? i mean, if this is what happened how come none of the other passengers spoke up about it, or write anything?
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The UPI story is Nov. 19th. The witness story is Dec. 2nd. I sure would like to know what the truth is. Google "airtran flight 297" .

Canadian Free Press

Snopes first said it was true, now its listed as mixed.

I don't much trust Snopes on everything

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(12-03-2009 01:26 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  don't you think it sounds a little ridiculous? i mean, if this is what happened how come none of the other passengers spoke up about it, or write anything?

Maybe the media didn't report it for the same reason they don't report about ACORN, the climate hoax, Van Jones, the Fort Hood shootings being done by a wacko instead of a terrorist, the actual cost of crap and trade and the health bill, etc. If anything, the MSM probably reported how insensitive the airline was to innocent Muslims.
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A friend of mine who is a Delta pilot said the incident happened.
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(12-03-2009 01:50 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(12-03-2009 01:26 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  don't you think it sounds a little ridiculous? i mean, if this is what happened how come none of the other passengers spoke up about it, or write anything?

Maybe the media didn't report it for the same reason they don't report about ACORN, the climate hoax, Van Jones, the Fort Hood shootings being done by a wacko instead of a terrorist, the actual cost of crap and trade and the health bill, etc. If anything, the MSM probably reported how insensitive the airline was to innocent Muslims.

i'm not talking about the msm not reporting it. i realize the reasons they wouldn't. i'm talking about other passengers. are you telling me that only one passenger knows how to put something on the internet?
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Which incident? The bloggers story and the Chaplains story are totally different.
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The thing that is weird to me is that the Pilots have final say on who and who cannot be on the plane. Just like a manager at a restaurant, they reserve the right to deny service to anyone....it is a private business after all (at least for now). Perhaps they were pressured by their supervisors to allow these "gentlemen" to fly, and so they packed up and left? I've seen people be refused to board for less than what was described...of course, they weren't Muslim (as far as I could tell).
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(12-03-2009 02:17 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  are you telling me that only one passenger knows how to put something on the internet?

No. Are you telling me that because there aren't tons of links to passenger stories in this threatd that none exist?
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If this is some kind of dry run, then you probably won't hear anything more about it (regardless of whether or not the FBI is investigating).

Incidents where flight attendants and passengers get into pissing matches to the point that flights get cancelled are not at all uncommon (meaning you hear reports of this just about every year). You have two credible first hand accounts - one from close proximity to the source of the incident, one not. And, you have a second-hand report that sounds a little silly - men dancing in the aisles.

If there is more on this, keep an eye on Daniel Pipes. These kinds of incidents don't escape his attention. And, for the record, I have never seen anything that puts snopes honesty or integrity in question.
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(12-03-2009 02:24 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(12-03-2009 02:17 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  are you telling me that only one passenger knows how to put something on the internet?

No. Are you telling me that because there aren't tons of links to passenger stories in this threatd that none exist?

no, just curious
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There seems to be a Muslim with a camcorder involved also.

Security incident aboard AirTran Flight 297

IMO, this should be more important than Tiger Woods' Sex Life!

“Planned and choreographed” incident similar to USAir Flight 300

Security incident aboard AirTran Flight 297 suggests terror “Dry Run”

By Doug Hagmann Thursday, December 3, 2009

On November 17, an incident took place aboard AirTran Flight 297 scheduled to fly from Atlanta Hartsfield Airport to Houston that the media does not want to cover and everyone from the airline to the TSA and other government agencies want to keep very quiet. The reasons, I have been told, is fear of predatory lawsuits, negative publicity from accusations of religious profiling, and the obligatory subjugation to mindless mandatory Muslim sensitivity training that make a mockery of our American system of values. Interestingly, one airline official told me “we don’t want to become another flight 300,” which is a reference to a very similar scenario that took place aboard US Airways Flight 300 exactly three years ago.

I was first contacted about this incident two days after it happened by a passenger who was aboard AirTran Flight 297. Based on the allegations made by this passenger, we conducted additional research, interviews and investigation, all of which takes time to insure accuracy, and are now able to release our report of the incident that took place aboard that aircraft. Be prepared to be shocked, angered, and perhaps saddened by our national and corporate acquiescence to mafia-type tactics by Islamists who are engaged in a full frontal assault, and laughing about it.

Unsurprisingly, the facts we developed during the course of our investigation are inconsistent with those being reported in the media, despite the media having the responsibility to report the truth.


The incident
A group of thirteen men dressed in traditional Muslim attire were among 73 passengers who boarded AirTran Flight 297 on Tuesday, 17 November 2009, a routine flight scheduled to depart Atlanta Hartsfield Airport, gate C-16 at 4:43 PM ET to Houston Hobby Airport. Reports developed by this investigator found two witnesses who observed direct interaction among all of these Muslim men at the terminal.

As the passengers boarded the aircraft, two of the Muslim men took seats in first class, while the remaining eleven were seated throughout the remaining rows of the aircraft. Most had carrying-on bags that they stowed in the overhead compartments above their seats.

As the aircraft began to taxi to the runway, a female flight attendant was beginning to issue the normal passenger advisories over the PA system. Almost on cue at the time passengers were told to turn off all electronic devices, one of the Muslim men seated in the front of the plane began to use his cell phone in a manner that was described by a flight attendant and passenger “as deliberate and obvious.” He was talking loudly in Arabic, nearly at the level of the flight attendant. Some reports suggest that this man actually called another Muslim passenger, although this has not been immediately confirmed. It is possible, however, as another passenger reported that a Muslim man seated toward the rear of the plane answered his cellular phone at the same time the man in the front began using his.

At this point, the flight attendant in the front of the plane approached the Muslim man using his telephone and instructed him to immediately turn it off. A second female flight attendant did the same at the rear of the aircraft. Concurrent with this cellular activity, two other Muslim men seated adjacent near the middle of the aircraft began operating what one passenger described as a palm type camcorder, ostensibly to view previously taken footage. It is possible, according to one flight attendant interviewed by this investigator, however, that the camcorder was being used for recording purposes. Whatever its use, a third flight attendant, aware of the incidents taking place in the front and rear of the aircraft, approached the two men for the purpose of securing the camcorder. At least two passengers reported that the men became abusive to the flight attendant and initially refused to comply with her request.

It was at this time that most of the passengers began to notice the multiple incidents involving over a dozen men dressed in Islamic attire. Next, as if previously rehearsed, at least ten of the 13 Muslim men aboard the aircraft began to leave their seats at the same time. At least one passenger stated she observed one of the Muslim passengers using his cell phone to take photos of other passengers on the aircraft, while one other Muslim passenger sang loudly in Arabic. According to information provided to this investigator from one of the flight crew who was alerted to an onboard emergency, the aircraft was now being taxied back to the terminal. The TSA, FAA and FBI were notified.

At the terminal
Once back at the terminal, the thirteen men were escorted from the aircraft by TSA and security officials. According to a report from an airline security official, their baggage was also removed and searched, the search finding nothing of apparent danger. According to a law enforcement official interviewed by telephone by this investigator on Monday, investigation revealed that all of the Muslim passengers are acquainted with each other and are associated with (or have ties to) a large Islamic center that has been the subject of investigative interest.

According to one aircraft passenger I interviewed, what happened next was “unbelievable” and caused a great deal of upset among the aircraft passengers and flight crew (some who opted off the flight in anger, fear, or admittedly, a mixture of both emotions).

After a lengthy delay while officials dealt with these Muslim passengers, ten (one uncorroborated report suggests 11) of the Muslim passengers were permitted to re-board the same aircraft to complete their flight. Some passengers and flight crew, traumatized by the blatant actions of the Muslim passengers, refused to travel with the Muslims who caused this orchestrated disturbance.

The flight continues
According to flight logs and information from one of the flight crew who continued with the flight, AirTran 297 ultimately departed Atlanta and arrived in Houston later that evening. The flight, however, was not without its curious incidents by the very same Muslim men who caused the initial delay and disturbance.

During the flight, one passenger interviewed by this investigator described the behavior of two of the Muslim passengers as less overt but still suspicious in nature. Without apparent legitimate purpose, one Muslim passenger moved a stowed bag from one part of the aircraft to another, well away from his seated position. Another spoke loudly in Arabic, with all appearing to interact in one form or another.

Ultimately, the flight landed safely and despite the early incidents in Atlanta, the Muslim passengers appeared able to leave freely from the terminal.

Comments from flight crew and airline personnel
As initially stated, proper and accurate investigation takes time to corroborate eyewitness accounts, which are often unreliable, contradictive and in cases like this, colored by emotion. Having interviewed a total of seven-(7) individuals directly involved in this incident over the last several days, including two law enforcement officers who handled the after action reports, the situation pertaining to the initial 13 and remaining 10 or 11 Muslim men allowed to continue their travels was far greater than an incident involving the unauthorized use of a cell phone that resulted in a minor flight delay, as reported by the mainstream media.

According to one airline security official, “This was a deliberate, well planned attempt to disrupt a domestic flight that was organized in advance of the boarding of these [Muslim] passengers. The purpose of their actions appeared to be multi-faceted, not the least of which was an attempt to change their status from passengers to victims of religious profiling. The situation was handled in a manner that we believe might have avoided an incident like USAir had in 2006, where everyone from the passengers who reported suspicious behavior to the airline was subjected to legal action by the Muslim passengers.”

While litigation might have been avoided, passengers and flight crew remain traumatized, and our air travel system was unnecessarily disrupted during one of the busiest air travel weeks in the U.S. The agenda of the Islamists behind this incident is clear, yet no one in the media seems to have the desire to expose these ideological cretins for what they are.

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No one is taking any crap off of unruly or suspicious passengers anymore. If you think for a moment that the TSA is keeping you safe..you are fooling yourself. The best defense is to kick the living crap out of anyone that acts up on a aircraft. If this was a dry run...I hope they are getting the message that we are not scared of their asses and will defend ourselves. Your are going to hear eventually of passengers killing some jackhole that acts up on a plane.
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That account is not credible because the person who wrote it has clearly made some tremendous leaps in judgement. I can forgive the presumption that the (presumably) arabic speakers were muslim - that's not a hard conclusion to reach in some cases, even second hand. "The agenda of the Islamists" is projecting an awful lot without any credible evidence onto people this guy has never seen, never talked to. "Deliberate and obvious" means one thing to airline stewardesses, but probably something completely different to the public at large. It probably doesn't mean that he stood up with his cell phone (camera) held high yelling "la la la, look at me looking at my cell phone". It could well mean that he was just doing something normal and had absolutely no clue what the stewardess was saying because he couldn't understand english.

Regarding this: "Muslim passenger sang loudly in Arabic". A (IMHO) very irritating thing that Muslims are taught is that they should stand up and loudly protest against what they perceive as injustice. The effect of that is to shut down reasoned dialog, and in the west it comes off as extremely aggressive. But, that does not mean that this behavior directly implies that these were Islamists on a dry run of a suicide attack. It could simply be one of them saying "what the **** are you doing to my bro there?"

As far as real evidence of what was going on there, I don't see a whole lot. I would like to see some reporting by someone to find out who these guys were and whether they had legitimate business in Houston. Is the Hajj still going on?
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(12-04-2009 09:34 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  No one is taking any crap off of unruly or suspicious passengers anymore. If you think for a moment that the TSA is keeping you safe..you are fooling yourself. The best defense is to kick the living crap out of anyone that acts up on a aircraft. If this was a dry run...I hope they are getting the message that we are not scared of their asses and will defend ourselves. Your are going to hear eventually of passengers killing some jackhole that acts up on a plane.

I was on a flight once with an unruly passenger. It was amazing how every guy on the plane started trading glances saying "I got your back if that guy makes a move."

Thankfully nothing happened.
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(12-04-2009 03:22 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(12-04-2009 09:34 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  No one is taking any crap off of unruly or suspicious passengers anymore. If you think for a moment that the TSA is keeping you safe..you are fooling yourself. The best defense is to kick the living crap out of anyone that acts up on a aircraft. If this was a dry run...I hope they are getting the message that we are not scared of their asses and will defend ourselves. Your are going to hear eventually of passengers killing some jackhole that acts up on a plane.

I was on a flight once with an unruly passenger. It was amazing how every guy on the plane started trading glances saying "I got your back if that guy makes a move."

Thankfully nothing happened.

Thats fine - What if there were 15 Radical Muslims acting in concert, and they were taking women and children hostage? Not so brave now are you. Its not too hard to envision a situation where these ruthless terrorists could get the upper hand in a closed cabin of an in flight airplane. I'm afraid that the only recourse is a good supply of Armed Air Marshals.
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I suspect a lot of this misbehavior is from people that fly in first class as if it is a luxury spa. The one time that I flew first class, I found it was - at best - like sitting in my living room for 4 hours ... that's not something I would spend an extra $400-800 on, or whatever it may be on average.
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Would this mean that Houston and presumably an Oil Refinary or the Port facilities the Oil is imported into, are a High Priority Target ?

They want NYC toppled obviously, but Houston is a smart strategic target. Take out our Oil infrastructure and we are screwed. I would think a dirty bomb brought accross the border and set off is a more likely scenario so if anything this would be diversion from that.

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(12-04-2009 03:27 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  
(12-04-2009 03:22 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(12-04-2009 09:34 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  No one is taking any crap off of unruly or suspicious passengers anymore. If you think for a moment that the TSA is keeping you safe..you are fooling yourself. The best defense is to kick the living crap out of anyone that acts up on a aircraft. If this was a dry run...I hope they are getting the message that we are not scared of their asses and will defend ourselves. Your are going to hear eventually of passengers killing some jackhole that acts up on a plane.

I was on a flight once with an unruly passenger. It was amazing how every guy on the plane started trading glances saying "I got your back if that guy makes a move."

Thankfully nothing happened.

Thats fine - What if there were 15 Radical Muslims acting in concert, and they were taking women and children hostage? Not so brave now are you. Its not too hard to envision a situation where these ruthless terrorists could get the upper hand in a closed cabin of an in flight airplane. I'm afraid that the only recourse is a good supply of Armed Air Marshals.


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weren't on the Flying Imam's flight were you? ask since in Minn
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