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RE: Sheriff Joe Arpaio: I'm Not Going to Stop Arresting Illegals
But do you agree with their right to come back when they can?
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(10-22-2009 01:08 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  But do you agree with their right to come back when they can?

No. How does one gain a benefit that was the product of an illegal act?
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Because as the rules stand those kids are legal. It doesn't matter if they should or shouldn't be, it just matters that they are. And you can't deny entry to US citizens.
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(10-22-2009 01:21 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Because as the rules stand those kids are legal. It doesn't matter if they should or shouldn't be, it just matters that they are. And you can't deny entry to US citizens.

Being an American citizen is a tremendous honor. Why would you diminish that honor by awarding it unceremoniously to the side effect of a crime? These people are accidental citizens and thus do not deserve the privilege of being one.
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(10-22-2009 01:50 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(10-22-2009 01:21 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Because as the rules stand those kids are legal. It doesn't matter if they should or shouldn't be, it just matters that they are. And you can't deny entry to US citizens.

Being an American citizen is a tremendous honor. Why would you diminish that honor by awarding it unceremoniously to the side effect of a crime? These people are accidental citizens and thus do not deserve the privilege of being one.

But the rule states that they are citizens. They've already been given the citizenship and they have the papers. Rules are rules.
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(10-22-2009 01:50 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(10-22-2009 01:21 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Because as the rules stand those kids are legal. It doesn't matter if they should or shouldn't be, it just matters that they are. And you can't deny entry to US citizens.

Being an American citizen is a tremendous honor. Why would you diminish that honor by awarding it unceremoniously to the side effect of a crime? These people are accidental citizens and thus do not deserve the privilege of being one.

As usual, smn, paul and I are on the same clear thinking page. If you commit a criminal act, why should you be allowed to benefit from it. This goes for those border jumpers and visa over stayers. If you commit this same type of crime in another country, you go straight to jail.
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(10-22-2009 01:57 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  
(10-22-2009 01:50 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(10-22-2009 01:21 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Because as the rules stand those kids are legal. It doesn't matter if they should or shouldn't be, it just matters that they are. And you can't deny entry to US citizens.

Being an American citizen is a tremendous honor. Why would you diminish that honor by awarding it unceremoniously to the side effect of a crime? These people are accidental citizens and thus do not deserve the privilege of being one.

As usual, smn, paul and I are on the same clear thinking page. If you commit a criminal act, why should you be allowed to benefit from it. This goes for those border jumpers and visa over stayers. If you commit this same type of crime in another country, you go straight to jail.

The kid didn't commit an act of anything except for being born. The border jumpers aren't granted citizenship, it's their kids that are born here. The kids didn't commit a crime. They have to be allowed back in when they are old enough to take care of themselves because you cannot deny entry to a citizen.
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(10-22-2009 02:01 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(10-22-2009 01:57 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  
(10-22-2009 01:50 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(10-22-2009 01:21 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Because as the rules stand those kids are legal. It doesn't matter if they should or shouldn't be, it just matters that they are. And you can't deny entry to US citizens.

Being an American citizen is a tremendous honor. Why would you diminish that honor by awarding it unceremoniously to the side effect of a crime? These people are accidental citizens and thus do not deserve the privilege of being one.

As usual, smn, paul and I are on the same clear thinking page. If you commit a criminal act, why should you be allowed to benefit from it. This goes for those border jumpers and visa over stayers. If you commit this same type of crime in another country, you go straight to jail.

The kid didn't commit an act of anything except for being born. The border jumpers aren't granted citizenship, it's their kids that are born here. The kids didn't commit a crime. They have to be allowed back in when they are old enough to take care of themselves because you cannot deny entry to a citizen.

Those Kids will have dual citizenship. Like I said, end the anchor baby policy -- put an end date to it. Register them all -- stop the immigration madness.
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Fair enough, all babies born after that date would be illegal, per the rules. I am one for offering hard workers the chance at citizenship that everyone else gets, through naturalization.
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(10-22-2009 02:01 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  The kid didn't commit an act of anything except for being born.

You're right, the proper term is they're crime victims. As we've seen all too often in this country crime victims are often ignored so why are these victims so special? But these are victims of crimes by people who never should have been here to begin with, and as such, the victims never should have been here either. Not only that, the perpetrators of the crimes are the ones endangering their own children - they're the ones who are irresponsibly putting these kids in a really bad position. Why are you blaming me for the intentional crimes committed by neglectful parents?
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I didn't blame you for anything SMN. I was just saying that as the rules are right now, they are citizens for life if they are born on our soil. The kids can go back and forth by virtue of citizens.
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Well...Praise JA if you wish. I personally... hope he dies a suffering death. 03-puke
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(10-22-2009 12:45 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(10-22-2009 12:16 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(10-22-2009 11:09 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  But back to the illegal conversation; they're children are sometimes born here and are citizens. What do you do with them.

You kick their tiny asses back to Meheeko. The 14th amendment was to protect slaves, not illegal border hoppers.

The kids aren't illegal though, by rule they are here legally. They didn't hop the border with their parents either. I agree with Paul's thinking, keep their records so they can come back later. I am also one for helping the parents achieve citizenship by giving them pamphlets and instruction on doing so before sending them back.


PLENTY of US Citizens live abroad. They can stay with friends, family or the parents can give them up for adoption... OR they can take them back to _______ . The children are free to come and go as they please... and once 18, can come back all by themselves and stay. Mom and dad can come visit... and register as visitors.

It's REALLY not a hard concept if you stop trying to figure out how to let people here illegally (the parents) stay here.

I don't know the guy or the truths about those charges... but I know that it is illegal to cross the border without documentation.
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(10-23-2009 10:22 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(10-22-2009 12:45 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(10-22-2009 12:16 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(10-22-2009 11:09 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  But back to the illegal conversation; they're children are sometimes born here and are citizens. What do you do with them.

You kick their tiny asses back to Meheeko. The 14th amendment was to protect slaves, not illegal border hoppers.

The kids aren't illegal though, by rule they are here legally. They didn't hop the border with their parents either. I agree with Paul's thinking, keep their records so they can come back later. I am also one for helping the parents achieve citizenship by giving them pamphlets and instruction on doing so before sending them back.


PLENTY of US Citizens live abroad. They can stay with friends, family or the parents can give them up for adoption... OR they can take them back to _______ . The children are free to come and go as they please... and once 18, can come back all by themselves and stay. Mom and dad can come visit... and register as visitors.

It's REALLY not a hard concept if you stop trying to figure out how to let people here illegally (the parents) stay here.

I don't know the guy or the truths about those charges... but I know that it is illegal to cross the border without documentation.

Its also illegal to cross the border into the US without going through a designated "port of entry."

From what I hear the Administration wants to put "Immigration Reform" up in January--right after the Christmas Recess and after the disposal of Health Care. And before the Congessional Primaries for 2010. IMO its insanity to consider it in an Election Year, but Obama did promise LaRaza, Mecha etc. that he would do it, and some Congressional Democrats in California are vulnerable and need to firm up the Hispanic base.

I don't know how sincere Obama is however. The Immigration Plan of Summer 2007 was a "hot button" issue that had lots of public opposition. You usually don't run these in election years. But even if it fails Obama can at least say he tried and that may be enough to secure his base.
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(10-23-2009 10:22 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(10-22-2009 12:45 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(10-22-2009 12:16 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(10-22-2009 11:09 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  But back to the illegal conversation; they're children are sometimes born here and are citizens. What do you do with them.

You kick their tiny asses back to Meheeko. The 14th amendment was to protect slaves, not illegal border hoppers.

The kids aren't illegal though, by rule they are here legally. They didn't hop the border with their parents either. I agree with Paul's thinking, keep their records so they can come back later. I am also one for helping the parents achieve citizenship by giving them pamphlets and instruction on doing so before sending them back.


PLENTY of US Citizens live abroad. They can stay with friends, family or the parents can give them up for adoption... OR they can take them back to _______ . The children are free to come and go as they please... and once 18, can come back all by themselves and stay. Mom and dad can come visit... and register as visitors.

It's REALLY not a hard concept if you stop trying to figure out how to let people here illegally (the parents) stay here.

I don't know the guy or the truths about those charges... but I know that it is illegal to cross the border without documentation.

I'm not trying to figure out how to get parents to stay here. I was just going against the people who said that their citizenship should be revoked. As far as allowing their parents to stay I usually say no. But I would inform them on how to get citizenship through the proper channels.
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This goes back to the guy who was simply driving down the street and the door of an Armored Car had came open and I think a couple of million dollars fell out onto the street in a closed container.

All the guy knew was, that he came across an object in the road and he stopped to see what it was and boy was he surprised.

"Finders Keepers" right ?????? WRONG

He did not rob the Armored Car, yet he was Charged with a Federal Crime for simply picking up and keeping the money that was just lying out in the open on the road.

What if the truck had been a Garbage Truck and the guy took the Garbage off the street and kept it ????? Would that have been a Federal Crime ??????

He committed no actual physical crime to gain the money, yet since he kept the loot, he became a criminal.

How many of us here would not have kept that money ?????

Analogy of Illegals having babies in the U.S. and the babies becoming Full Citizens simply because they popped out on United States soil is a bit foolish - - just like Charging and Arresting the guy for simply coming along an empty road and finding a Case filled with cash .....

Evidently a non-crime became a crime while Illegals are "Illegally Here" and have babies who hook the Mother and Father into our System by Proxy.

Armored Car companies fault for not securing their rear door becomes one mans Crime while two people here illegally which IS a Crime, have a Child and now they are no longer Criminals ????

The logic just does not add up.

And the story about the guy finding all that money is a True Story ... Google it.

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(10-24-2009 11:18 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(10-23-2009 10:22 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(10-22-2009 12:45 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(10-22-2009 12:16 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(10-22-2009 11:09 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  But back to the illegal conversation; they're children are sometimes born here and are citizens. What do you do with them.

You kick their tiny asses back to Meheeko. The 14th amendment was to protect slaves, not illegal border hoppers.

The kids aren't illegal though, by rule they are here legally. They didn't hop the border with their parents either. I agree with Paul's thinking, keep their records so they can come back later. I am also one for helping the parents achieve citizenship by giving them pamphlets and instruction on doing so before sending them back.


PLENTY of US Citizens live abroad. They can stay with friends, family or the parents can give them up for adoption... OR they can take them back to _______ . The children are free to come and go as they please... and once 18, can come back all by themselves and stay. Mom and dad can come visit... and register as visitors.

It's REALLY not a hard concept if you stop trying to figure out how to let people here illegally (the parents) stay here.

I don't know the guy or the truths about those charges... but I know that it is illegal to cross the border without documentation.

I'm not trying to figure out how to get parents to stay here. I was just going against the people who said that their citizenship should be revoked. As far as allowing their parents to stay I usually say no. But I would inform them on how to get citizenship through the proper channels.

(10-24-2009 12:11 PM)Tripster Wrote:  .

This goes back to the guy who was simply driving down the street and the door of an Armored Car had came open and I think a couple of million dollars fell out onto the street in a closed container.

All the guy knew was, that he came across an object in the road and he stopped to see what it was and boy was he surprised.

"Finders Keepers" right ?????? WRONG

He did not rob the Armored Car, yet he was Charged with a Federal Crime for simply picking up and keeping the money that was just lying out in the open on the road.

What if the truck had been a Garbage Truck and the guy took the Garbage off the street and kept it ????? Would that have been a Federal Crime ??????

He committed no actual physical crime to gain the money, yet since he kept the loot, he became a criminal.

How many of us here would not have kept that money ?????

Analogy of Illegals having babies in the U.S. and the babies becoming Full Citizens simply because they popped out on United States soil is a bit foolish - - just like Charging and Arresting the guy for simply coming along an empty road and finding a Case filled with cash .....

Evidently a non-crime became a crime while Illegals are "Illegally Here" and have babies who hook the Mother and Father into our System by Proxy.

Armored Car companies fault for not securing their rear door becomes one mans Crime while two people here illegally which IS a Crime, have a Child and now they are no longer Criminals ????

The logic just does not add up.

And the story about the guy finding all that money is a True Story ... Google it.

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Nomad, I wasn't talking about YOU... I was talking about Politicians.

I have a better analogy, Tripster

An America Citizen with children (who are also American Citizens) commit a crime. What happens to them? They get sent to Prison. Certainly SOME consideration is given to the fact that they have children, even if those children were conceived AFTER the commission of the crime... but the bottom line is, justice is served and the innocent children deal with it. I'd argue that if they committed the crime in Mexico, the courts would care even less about their children... but in order to avoid pointless debate, let's stick with citizens.

Having children does not exempt you from the consequences of a crime, and while crossing the border illegally may not be a "serious" crime to most people, being sent home and being allowed to take your kids with you isn't a "serious" punishment.

If you have people you can leave your citizen children with here... fine... if not, how is it "harmful" to the children to send them home with their parents... exactly where they would have been had their parents not broken the law??
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I'm honestly more concerned with the "citizens" in power that are stealing the "American dream" from the populace...not...travelers seeking that dream.

Joe Arpaio is a loathsome waste of a human being. He is a shameless self promoter who takes glee in making people suffer. I pray for his early death.
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(10-26-2009 04:28 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I'm honestly more concerned with the "citizens" in power that are stealing the "American dream" from the populace...not...travelers seeking that dream.

Joe Arpaio is a loathsome waste of a human being. He is a shameless self promoter who takes glee in making people suffer. I pray for his early death.

Fo... I don't personally know enough to make a similar comment or argue with yours other than this... I believe the sherriff is an elected position, and the people who pay his salary voted for him. I'm certain he doesn't represent 100% of his constituency, but he seems to represent 50.1% of it. I don't think you are in his district and I suspect you are responding to what you've heard rather than know about him. If the people he represents want him gone, then great. If he is convicted of breaking the law, then great...

I suspect that part of the reason you care more about one issue than another is because they more directly impact you. If you worried about letting your children play outside or having your child drive alone in the vastness of the Arizona desert (a necessity) for fear of coming across an illegal who is more desperate than most, you might feel differently.
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