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There is no need to convince me that an atheist can act morally. But where does the moral plumb line come from?
What is the basis of morality in the atheistic worldview?
10-25-2009 09:18 AM
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(10-25-2009 09:18 AM)niucob86 Wrote:  There is no need to convince me that an atheist can act morally. But where does the moral plumb line come from?
What is the basis of morality in the atheistic worldview?

Essentially the same plumb line that forms the basis of much theistic thought (whether you care to admit it or not) - secular reason.
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(10-25-2009 09:18 AM)niucob86 Wrote:  There is no need to convince me that an atheist can act morally. But where does the moral plumb line come from?
What is the basis of morality in the atheistic worldview?

Social Contract Theory. Thomas Hobbes. Read up.
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Most scientists, even Darwin, tread warily and avoid attacking religion, but Watson and Crick are both outspoken atheists.

"I went into science because of these religious reasons, there's no doubt about that. I asked myself what were the two things that appear inexplicable and are used to support religious beliefs: the difference between living and nonliving things, and the phenomenon of consciousness."
Francis Crick
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/scien...f-God.html

Is it possible to reason without consciousness?
Is critical thought possible without consciousness?

Crick understood the dilemma of consciousness within his intellectual system. Here is another quote from the atheist camp:

"Consciousness and free will seem to suffuse the neurobiological phenomena at every level. Thinkers seem condemned either to denying their existence or to wallowing in mysticism."
Dr. Steven Pinker
The Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature, page 240.

An atheist affirming consciousness is a bit like a strident vegetarian trying to convince an audience that eating Prime Rib is permitted within vegetarianism.
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(10-25-2009 09:18 AM)niucob86 Wrote:  There is no need to convince me that an atheist can act morally. But where does the moral plumb line come from?
What is the basis of morality in the atheistic worldview?

I have to say that I appreciate the sentiment. That is in stark contrast to dogma and to attitudes that explicitly state that non-theists are necessarily nihilistic or that immoral acts are necessarily the consequence of non-belief. I didn't mean to be snarky to you in my response, but if you think about it, there are a great many moral judgments where the connection to "Biblical Principles" is pretty convoluted.
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45: Thank you. Yeah, the atheist = ax murderer thing. How appropriate for the Halloween season. It embarasses and angers me; I can only imagine how it must infuriate you.
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