How will the dummy-crats make health care affordable?
Can one of the liberal posters on this board explain the math? I keep hearing healthcare will be more affordable to Americans but never has the cost per family been explained. I have heard that $300 - $500 million will be stolen from medicare to pay for this. The same medicare program that is projected to be insolvent by 2017. If medicare does not even have enough money to fund itself, how can it fund healthcare reform with an imaginary surplus? Next I have read the Congressional Budget Office says the current proposal would increase taxes on families with incomes over $100K on their employer paid benefits programs, this increase could be as much as $10K per family depending on the "value" of the benefits. What about President Hussein's promise to only increase tax on families with incomes over $250K? How does paying $10K more for the same benefits make it more affordable? How would charging more for to families with higher incomes IF a public/single payer plan is approved make it more affordable? Shouldn't everyone pay the same rate for the same coverage unless discounts were given to nonsmokers and people with healthier lifestyles?
(This post was last modified: 10-12-2009 03:52 PM by THE NC Herd Fan.)
10-12-2009 03:48 PM
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RE: How will the dummy-crats make health care affordable?
(10-12-2009 03:53 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: I hope they put a tax on carbon to pay for it. If what you propose comes to fruition it's not fair and they will pay for it at the ballot box.
I don't think he's proposing that, just noting what will be inevitable.
The Obama administration's numbers have never worked. I don't know whether they are simply incompetent or are actively engaged in deceiving and defrauding the public, but those are the only two possibilities I see. If you see another explanation, please enlighten us.
I think if they put the real numbers out there, they would lose a lot of their public support. Instead, they are hoping to pass everything in stealth mode, and by the time people figure out what hit them it will be too late. I don't know whether they are going to be able to pull it off or not.
As for your carbon tax idea, I favor a carbon tax, but if the vast majority of it is not offset by tax relief elsewhere, the effect on the economy will be devastating. To the extent it is not fully offset, any residual net revenues should be devoted to building infrastructure to facilitate energy conservation (and particularly fossil energy conservation) in the future--mass transit and high speed rail powered by electricity; wind, solar, and nuclear generation capacity; and grid improvements to get that new power to the people who need to use it.
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10-12-2009 04:24 PM
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RE: How will the dummy-crats make health care affordable?
It is simple. The federal gov't is pushing the increased costs out to the individual states. Which will result in higher property taxes. That is the hidden cost. States in the NE, like R.I. NY that do not have many uninsured or undocumented illegals will not be hit as hard as Fla, Tx, Kalif, and most of the southern states. Its a shell game that they are playing with the numbers.
RE: How will the dummy-crats make health care affordable?
They are playing any number of shell games with the numbers. The numbers don't work, and they know it. The numbers never have worked for them. They didn't work in Obama's campaign literature. Not even close. But America hated Shrub so much that nobody really kicked the tires very hard.
Now they are in power, and they are finding out that it's pretty hard to make a lie come true.
At some point the chickens will come home to roost. It will not be pretty.
10-12-2009 04:48 PM
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RE: How will the dummy-crats make health care affordable?
Rick Perry has said he is not going to accept Washington's plan for Texas. Texas has more uninsured and undocumented, than anywhere else in the country. Now, I read in the chron, that because the fed does not track people that overstay their visa, Texas leads in that category also. Dems don't seem to care since Texas is a Red state. As you know, Rick Perry is running for Governor again and to get re-elected he is not going to be able to take this Fed. Gov't take over 18% of the states budget.
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RE: How will the dummy-crats make health care affordable?
(10-12-2009 03:48 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote: If medicare does not even have enough money to fund itself, how can it fund healthcare reform with an imaginary surplus?
RE: How will the dummy-crats make health care affordable?
(10-12-2009 03:53 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: I hope they put a tax on carbon to pay for it. If what you propose comes to fruition it's not fair and they will pay for it at the ballot box.
IN GENERAL, the democratic approach appeals to the recipients of free services and those who can deduct many of their living expenses as business expenses (people in the public eye)... so the extremes of the financial world. Only those who have to pay for these things would revolt... and not many of them vote that way as it is.
RE: How will the dummy-crats make health care affordable?
Democrats make everyone feel poor and dependent on them for benefits. They don't want to lower unemployment because they can then take credit for extending unemployment benefits. They brag about creating jobs. Yeah fast food jobs that pay minimum wage so those folks stay loyal to the Democrats. If they created real jobs like over 50k, then those folks would become Republicans due to the high tax rates above 50k in income. Limo Liberals are so rich taxes really don't matter any more. They enjoy the power of being king makers. For middle class they are not rich enough to afford higher taxes, or poor enough to get free benefits. The middle will fit the bill for the health care bill as just taxing the rich isn't enough to cover the cost.