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H1N1 vaccine...gotta have it
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091007/ap_o...l1c2FtZXI-

Generalized platitudes, no citing of evidence. This isn't science, it's politics.

There is risk here, either way. Marginalizing the risk is not appropriate.
10-07-2009 09:13 AM
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(10-07-2009 09:13 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091007/ap_o...l1c2FtZXI-

Generalized platitudes, no citing of evidence. This isn't science, it's politics.

There is risk here, either way. Marginalizing the risk is not appropriate.

As more doses are dispensed there will be more people "saved" from the flu by the benevolent Obama Administration. Just as, if you still have a job today, it is a job "saved" by the policies of the benevolent Obama Administration.

Let the reelection campaign continue!
10-07-2009 10:40 AM
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(10-07-2009 10:40 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  
(10-07-2009 09:13 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091007/ap_o...l1c2FtZXI-

Generalized platitudes, no citing of evidence. This isn't science, it's politics.

There is risk here, either way. Marginalizing the risk is not appropriate.

As more doses are dispensed there will be more people "saved" from the flu by the benevolent Obama Administration. Just as, if you still have a job today, it is a job "saved" by the policies of the benevolent Obama Administration.

Let the reelection campaign continue!

True.

But if something goes awry, it could be catastrophic.

I heard on the radio (public radio BTW) that autism rates were at 1:100, up from 1:150 two years ago. No-one seems to know why, but they swear it's not from vaccinations.

Obesity rates skyrocketed as people followed the gov't's prescribed high-carb food pyramid.

I just think it's prudent to be cautious about the government's "solutions."
10-07-2009 11:23 AM
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They haven't prescribed the military to have the vaccine yet. But I want to avoid it at all times.
10-07-2009 11:43 AM
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(10-07-2009 11:23 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(10-07-2009 10:40 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  
(10-07-2009 09:13 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091007/ap_o...l1c2FtZXI-

Generalized platitudes, no citing of evidence. This isn't science, it's politics.

There is risk here, either way. Marginalizing the risk is not appropriate.

As more doses are dispensed there will be more people "saved" from the flu by the benevolent Obama Administration. Just as, if you still have a job today, it is a job "saved" by the policies of the benevolent Obama Administration.

Let the reelection campaign continue!

True.

But if something goes awry, it could be catastrophic.

I heard on the radio (public radio BTW) that autism rates were at 1:100, up from 1:150 two years ago. No-one seems to know why, but they swear it's not from vaccinations.

Obesity rates skyrocketed as people followed the gov't's prescribed high-carb food pyramid.

I just think it's prudent to be cautious about the government's "solutions."

I am cautious of anything that comes from the government. I think twice before I start thinking.

And should there be a problem, the blame will ultimately be put at the feet of the vaccine producers. It's obvious that they will be at fault because they "profit" from the sale and manufacture, and are hence, "evil".
10-07-2009 11:44 AM
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Sebelius can blow me. They're not forcing me to take a damn thing.
10-07-2009 12:16 PM
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This sentence is not self-evident.

(10-07-2009 11:44 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  I think twice before I start thinking.

Breaking down Sebelius's statement(s) in the article:

Quote:(1) the adverse effects are minimal. ... (2) We know it's safe and secure. ... (3) This is definitely is a safe vaccine for people to get.

The first is a statement of fact ans is probably correct. The second is probably too categorical a statement. The third is subjective and advocates a position that is important to get across. The only one of these that I have any issue with is the second one, but it's a simplified statement for public consumption. A more correct statement would have been something like "we understand that this vaccine has the same very small minimal risks as other similar vaccines and believe that the benefits vastly outweigh the risks both on for individuals and as mitigation against the possibility of pandemic".

The problem is that there is a pervasive and irrational cottage industry of vaccine hysteria (hello Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey). It has been shown that TV reports presenting vaccine hysteria as fact are directly responsible for dozens of deaths due to flu and other viruses. She does face a risk that any discussion by her of specific risks will be taken by kooks an twisted way out of proportion. I think the AG is justified in advocating for immunization and trying to get the vaccine out there en masse.
10-07-2009 01:12 PM
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