that paticular issue I think is in the 2007 bill. A bi-partisian agreement(Democrat Senate and Congress) with GOP whitehouse. Dems get something they want, GOP gets stuff they want. Now its about to get a whole lot worse.
failed to be mentioned here is who makes those CFL's......NBC, err GE
Plus, many State Govt. have already done this on the state level anyway. stupid
10-06-2009 11:01 AM
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2007-2008 Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007
Increases energy efficiency standards for certain household appliances, battery chargers, walk-in coolers and freezers, electric motors, light bulbs, and other devices (Title III).
Sets forth requirements for the use of energy efficient lighting fixtures and bulbs in public building construction, alteration, and acquisition.
Instructs the Secretary of Energy to report to Congress on: (1) federal measures to reduce or prevent release of mercury during the manufacture, transportation, storage, or disposal of light bulbs; (2) whether specified rulemaking deadlines will be met; (3) an NAS review of advanced solid state lighting R&D and the impact upon the types of lighting available to consumers of an energy conservation standard requiring a minimum of 45 lumens per watt for general service lighting; and (4) the time frame for commercialization of lighting to replace incandescent and halogen incandescent lamp technology.
I had one of those dang bulbs in an apt. I lived in. It took forever to light up, 45 sec+, and then would keep getting brighter and brighter over the first 10 min. it was on. Annoyed the crap outta me. I moved in with 1 CFL, and 15-ish filament bulbs, and they were all burning after the year was over.
I turn on the light when I walk in a room, and turn it off when I leave. There is no need to wait 1 min. for me to use the light for 2 min. and turn it back off. I hated that CFL. It gave off weird light that gave a friend headaches too. Stupid bulb.
there was a good political article I read, but can't find at the moment, about the 2007 bill. It was/is a big gamble given the mandates it sets. If certain things don't happen(or Congress doesn't amend down round) disaster lay ahead.
(10-06-2009 12:14 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: are the new LED lights you see in Menards the next evolution???? LED lightbulbs?????
Absolutely.
Those really do have long lives, and their wallplug efficiency is fantastic. Now their lumen/watt ratio is coming up to a level that allows them to compete w/ light bulbs.
And while what's his name cites issues with the color rendering index for LEDs (although we all know that applying the CRI to a set of discrete wavelengths instead of a continuum is inappropriate), what I think you'll find is that manufacturers or consumers will be able to tailor the CRI a given source by using LEDs of different lots, thus making the light much warmer and welcoming than CFLs, and perhaps at times even better than incandescents.
So while manufacturing usually strives for control over parameters that affect performance, color diversity even w/in lots will make this less of an issue for LEDs for lighting. (Of course in the end, manufactureres will still strive for control, then they can meet a recipe for desired lighting.)
The versatility of LEDs make them the "killer ap" especially when combined w/ their superior cost performance.
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10-06-2009 12:59 PM
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The Secretary of Energy to report to Congress on measures to reduce or prevent release of mercury during the manufacture, transportation, storage, or disposal of light bulbs.
Release of mercury is a VERY SCARY thing. Just that alone should discourage the environmentalists. It' Been 2 years, where is the report and plan?
AS FAR AS I CAN TELL THERE IS NO REPORT AND NO PLAN. Yea, let them legislate Healthcare. Stupid, Moronic, A$$hole Congress.
Steven Chu Sect. of Energy is more concerned about painting everyone's roof white
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(10-06-2009 12:14 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: are the new LED lights you see in Menards the next evolution???? LED lightbulbs?????
Absolutely.
Those really do have long lives, and their wallplug efficiency is fantastic. Now their lumen/watt ratio is coming up to a level that allows them to compete w/ light bulbs.
And while what's his name cites issues with the color rendering index for LEDs (although we all know that applying the CRI to a set of discrete wavelengths instead of a continuum is inappropriate), what I think you'll find is that manufacturers or consumers will be able to tailor the CRI a given source by using LEDs of different lots, thus making the light much warmer and welcoming than CFLs, and perhaps at times even better than incandescents.
So while manufacturing usually strives for control over parameters that affect performance, color diversity even w/in lots will make this less of an issue for LEDs for lighting. (Of course in the end, manufactureres will still strive for control, then they can meet a recipe for desired lighting.)
The versatility of LEDs make them the "killer ap" especially when combined w/ their superior cost performance.
Quote: I was impressed the first moment I saw the light they produced. It was warm, not harsh, and even better, it worked on a dimmer control.
The neatest trick with these lights is that they combine yellow and white LED’s in a matrix to get a color temperature that is 2700K or 3500K (your choice) which makes them give similar light to incandescents.
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(10-06-2009 09:44 AM)GGniner Wrote: Thomas Edison is under attack
The idea that Edison would resist further invention is kind of ludicrous. If his estate is still receiving royalties for incandescents.
My daughter did her 4th grade science fair project on how incandescents versus CFL performed with dimmer switches. There were some results that surprised me, mildly. When she has some time, I'm going to ask her some more questions about them to see what she can conclude. The two big things were (1) There is a big step in energy use just to get a little bit of light out of an incandescent (didn't think about it beforehand, but pretty easy to understand), then energy use is fairly linear as you go up to full power, (2) standard CFLs have a big spike in energy use around 1/2 way on the dimmer switches that we used ... at this setting, CFL uses about 80% of what incandescents do, (3) dimmable CFLs used pretty constant energy over the entire range of settings, and performed pretty well w.r.t. dimming.
I didn't know that LEDs would work (or wouldn't) work with dimmers, so I wasn't interested in shelling out the bucks to include those, but maybe I'll help her wire one of these in and then - if the price goes down - start putting them in around the house.
RE: Light Bulbs vs. Nanny State 