Rath,
I took the info from this site.
Good to hear he is making more. He deserves it.
CJ


Highest Paid College Football Coaches

Its hard to keep track of sometimes. He got an extension and bump in the offseason again. Biggest thing about this extension was that they built in big raises for the assistant coaches.

(10-05-2009 04:44 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  and if I was WVA I'd fire Stewart and def hire Skip Holtz or Tuberville....

holtz would take the job in a second, but the school would make him keep stewie lollllllll.

Until UConn beats the Mountaineers, I'd wonder what was wrong with my coach that he can't defeat Stew...

(10-05-2009 08:41 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Until UConn beats the Mountaineers, I'd wonder what was wrong with my coach that he can't defeat Stew...

i like it when the under dog wins, they say he is a nice and this is a tough job for a nice guy to be succesfull at...............
would the fans run him out of town w/ 4 losses?

(10-05-2009 09:27 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  

(10-05-2009 08:41 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Until UConn beats the Mountaineers, I'd wonder what was wrong with my coach that he can't defeat Stew...

i like it when the under dog wins, they say he is a nice and this is a tough job for a nice guy to be succesfull at...............
would the fans run him out of town w/ 4 losses?

They might consider it if we beat them for a third straight year. WVU fans hate losing to Pitt. They nearly lynched Bobby Bowden in the 70's after they blew a big lead to us. They literally locked themselves in the locker room to keep safe from the Mountaineer faithful.

(10-05-2009 01:20 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-05-2009 12:21 PM)dbacard Wrote:  Even the SEC leftovers are better than a top midwest class.

Fine by me. Make SEC country UL's recruiting focus. UC is doing just fine with staying local and staying out of the fray.

Dude, that was our focus from Howard Schnellenberger to Bobby Petrino and we did just fine with that. It wasn't until this failure came along and destroyed our Florida, Georgia and Alabama pipeline. We took players from those states and the best out of the city of Louisville, that was our recruiting guideline.

Did just fine with Petrino? Puh-lease. He ran so loose and fast while letting the inmates run the asylum that anyone they hired to replace him was sunk before they started just from getting rid of those bad apples, miscreants, and academic no-shows from the South. I hope UL goes all The U North again. They'll be singing thes same blues in 5-6 years.

You know you can believe that alll you want. But Krags has had more arrests, more guys kicked off the team, more on field personal foul penalties, and less respect from current and former players.

The loose program believed by other fan bases are because of the spin machine out of the SID department last couple of years, and by Krap himself. Not from players, fans, or anybody else.

Ane who recruited those kids? Vast majority were Petrino's problem children. He left ya'all a big #### sandwich as a parting gift.

Its like sausage. You like it but you don't want to see how its made. Just win, baby.

(10-05-2009 11:31 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  

(10-05-2009 09:27 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  

(10-05-2009 08:41 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Until UConn beats the Mountaineers, I'd wonder what was wrong with my coach that he can't defeat Stew...

i like it when the under dog wins, they say he is a nice and this is a tough job for a nice guy to be succesfull at...............
would the fans run him out of town w/ 4 losses?

They might consider it if we beat them for a third straight year. WVU fans hate losing to Pitt. They nearly lynched Bobby Bowden in the 70's after they blew a big lead to us. They literally locked themselves in the locker room to keep safe from the Mountaineer faithful.

That was the galling point under Bowden. WVU was up 35-8 and had that game in hand, if we could have A) stopped Pitt's rushing attack (y'all didn't hardly pass at all in the 2nd half, and just ran the ball down the Mountaineers throats) or B) gotten a first down or 2 (nothing worked in the 2nd half, after everything worked in the first).

I seriously doubt Stew would be fired for going 9-4 after losing the NCAA's all-time leading rushing QB and nearly all of the offensive line, although the season would be considered another dissappointing year under Stew. WVU's offense is even more dynamic now than it's ever been, if the spate of turnovers can be eliminated. Without all the turnovers, WVU would be undefeated, and among the nation's leaders in total offense and scoring.

The biggest problem I see on defense, other than depth on the defensive line, is Brandon Hogan. I think freshman Pat Miller would be a better option, since he knows how to play tight man coverage, and Hogan has yet to learn how. That's not to say he won't before the season is up. But he's killing the defense, since all those 3rd and 4th down conversions seem to happen right in front of him in every game...

(10-06-2009 07:24 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Did just fine with Petrino? Puh-lease. He ran so loose and fast while letting the inmates run the asylum that anyone they hired to replace him was sunk before they started just from getting rid of those bad apples, miscreants, and academic no-shows from the South. I hope UL goes all The U North again. They'll be singing thes same blues in 5-6 years.

I always see these types of posts on message boards and hear this reasoning repeated by ESPN announcers. Yet, no one has explained why Petrino's teams had a higher graduation rate, why Petrino had only one off-field incident involving a player (zero arrests), and why former players like Brohm have flat out said that there wasn't a problem to clean up.

From the people I've spoke with, the problem isn't so much that there was a "mess to clean up" as there was a "mess created due changing the coaching philosophy". A lot of the players Petrino recruited weren't bad people, but instead came from broken/troubled homes. Petrino was very much a micro-manager and he made sure those kids were in class and behaving when they weren't at school or at practice. That sort of structured discipline really seemed to work with those kids and was the type of coach they needed.

Kragthrope's philosophy appears to be totally different. He isn't a babysitter type coach and he is more of a "you should behave because it is the right thing to do" type of coach. Essentially, he's the exact opposite of Petrino. I'm not saying one method is necessarily better than the other, but when you take a laid back, player-friendly type coach and put him in charge of kids who are use to and require a disciplined, highly structure environment, you end up with a mess. That, in a nutshell, is what happened to Louisville football - Jurich made the wrong hire for the team he had.

(10-06-2009 10:21 AM)UofL07 Wrote:  Jurich made the wrong hire for the team he had.

(10-05-2009 05:06 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Cardinal Jim, I read your stuff here and at ITV good stuff. Where are you hearing this from, you have inside peeps at UL, or boosters? Why are the money supporters torn between Tubs and Gruden, if its a pipe dream?

I am beginning to think Weiss is in more trouble than we think, he's got tough games coming up in Stanford, USC, at Pitt. That would prevent a BCS game. They may give him his final year with Clausen to see what that does. But lets say Gruden says I'm interested in UL but I want to see what happens at ND and that will probably take until after thes season sometime, meanwhile Tuberville is ready to go sometime late into this season, with Krags or Brent Guy finishing this year up. Do we wait for Gruden and give an answer in December/Janauary or get Tubs in here by Thanksgiving?

My sources are two former players from the late 70's and early 80's. Both were offensive lineman and one has his jersey honored at PJCS. Both are now successful businessmen. There are two groups that want Kragthorpe out. Both are made up of former players, local businessmen and boosters with deep pockets. One group is made up of former players that played for Howard, Weber, Gibson and Corso. This group is pushing Jurich to hire Tuberville. The other group of players is made up of former players that played for John L and Bobby. This group is familiar with Gruden because they played for him or against him in the NFL. This group strongly supports Gruden to replace Kragthorpe.

The scenario you describe about waiting for Gruden to look at other jobs is the exact thing Louisville can not afford to happen. Jurich won't let that happen because he will have most of his work done toward hiring a replacement for Kragthorpe before we know Kragthrope is gone.
CJ

(10-06-2009 03:18 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(10-05-2009 05:06 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Cardinal Jim, I read your stuff here and at ITV good stuff. Where are you hearing this from, you have inside peeps at UL, or boosters? Why are the money supporters torn between Tubs and Gruden, if its a pipe dream?

I am beginning to think Weiss is in more trouble than we think, he's got tough games coming up in Stanford, USC, at Pitt. That would prevent a BCS game. They may give him his final year with Clausen to see what that does. But lets say Gruden says I'm interested in UL but I want to see what happens at ND and that will probably take until after thes season sometime, meanwhile Tuberville is ready to go sometime late into this season, with Krags or Brent Guy finishing this year up. Do we wait for Gruden and give an answer in December/Janauary or get Tubs in here by Thanksgiving?

My sources are two former players from the late 70's and early 80's. Both were offensive lineman and one has his jersey honored at PJCS. Both are now successful businessmen. There are two groups that want Kragthorpe out. Both are made up of former players, local businessmen and boosters with deep pockets. One group is made up of former players that played for Howard, Weber, Gibson and Corso. This group is pushing Jurich to hire Tuberville. The other group of players is made up of former players that played for John L and Bobby. This group is familiar with Gruden because they played for him or against him in the NFL. This group strongly supports Gruden to replace Kragthorpe.

The scenario you describe about waiting for Gruden to look at other jobs is the exact thing Louisville can not afford to happen. Jurich won't let that happen because he will have most of his work done toward hiring a replacement for Kragthorpe before we know Kragthrope is gone.
CJ

Gruden is a good coach. I have followed him since his Oakland days. That being said, the guy is made for the NFL. If a NFL team comes calling, he might just take off. That is a risk UL will have to take if they hired Gruden.

Obviously there are a lot of quality coaches for Louisville to choose from, but Tuberville puts them back on the map nationally right off the bat. He has won a BCS conference title, has an undefeated team, has connections to recruits in Louisville and Big East areas, and would give them a big national boost. Louisville and Tuberville vs Urban Meyer and Florida equal huge publicity for Louisville and the Big East.

(10-05-2009 03:38 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  UofL won't go with the "up and comer" hire or the top defensive coordinator hire. We tried that the last time and look where it got us. The truth is we should have hired Strong the LAST time and we wouldn't be in the shape we are in. I don't give a damn if his wife is purple. Unfortunately for Strong, UofL needs a marquee name this time. We haven't quite slipped to where we were when Howard took over but I'll say we are almost to the level of Ron Cooper's 1-10 team.

I heard today that the big money deep pocket boosters and powers that be are torn between Tuberville, that's considered the safe, you know what you get, hire and going after Jon Gruden. I am firmly in hire Tuberville camp because I like smash mouth football. (Screw this gimmick offense, wildcat, scatback bullsh*t you see everyone and his brother trying to run now days.) I like the fact Tuberville has successfully recruited the Deep South.

It's easy for a UC fan to push somebody from middle America their program sits smack dap in the middle of a high school football hotbed. I would venture to guess that there are more Divison I prospects that come out of Hamillton County and the Cincy Metro area than in the whole State of Kentucky in most years. Louisville, like Rutgers and West Virginia, recognized a long time ago that you can win with the leftovers from Florida. Louisville got away from Florida two years ago and has tried to get back in but the constant staff turnover has hurt our efforts. Tuberville would put an end to this.

As for the Gruden hire, that like some one else said, is a pipe dream. I don't want to see us screw around, like UK did with Parcells, and lose out on hiring Tuberville while Chucky plays us. Gruden will have his pick of pro jobs this winter and even college jobs with deepr pockets than we have.

I am hearing 2.5 million a year for Tuberville with incentives that could push it to over 3 million. That would put him in the Top 10 of the highest paid college football coaches in the country. Presently Kragthorpe is at 1.4 million. The rest of the Big East.

1. Schiano of Rutgers 2.25 million
2. Edsall of UConn 1.5 million
2. Leavitt of USF 1.5 miillion
4. Kragthorpe of UofL 1.4 million
5. Wannstedt of Pitt 1.3 million
6. Kelly of Cincinnati 1.2 million
7. Marrone of Syracuse 1.1 million
8. Bill Stewart of WVU 800K

As a side note I believe Bill Stewart is the best college football coach in the country for the money, Kragthorpe the worst. BTW Brian Kelly deserves a raise.
CJ

Kelly got new contract a few months ago, he's guaranteed, I believe, 1.5 million dollars, and that is before incentives.

(10-06-2009 09:28 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-05-2009 11:31 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  

(10-05-2009 09:27 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  

(10-05-2009 08:41 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Until UConn beats the Mountaineers, I'd wonder what was wrong with my coach that he can't defeat Stew...

i like it when the under dog wins, they say he is a nice and this is a tough job for a nice guy to be succesfull at...............
would the fans run him out of town w/ 4 losses?

They might consider it if we beat them for a third straight year. WVU fans hate losing to Pitt. They nearly lynched Bobby Bowden in the 70's after they blew a big lead to us. They literally locked themselves in the locker room to keep safe from the Mountaineer faithful.

That was the galling point under Bowden. WVU was up 35-8 and had that game in hand, if we could have A) stopped Pitt's rushing attack (y'all didn't hardly pass at all in the 2nd half, and just ran the ball down the Mountaineers throats) or B) gotten a first down or 2 (nothing worked in the 2nd half, after everything worked in the first).

I seriously doubt Stew would be fired for going 9-4 after losing the NCAA's all-time leading rushing QB and nearly all of the offensive line, although the season would be considered another dissappointing year under Stew. WVU's offense is even more dynamic now than it's ever been, if the spate of turnovers can be eliminated. Without all the turnovers, WVU would be undefeated, and among the nation's leaders in total offense and scoring.

The biggest problem I see on defense, other than depth on the defensive line, is Brandon Hogan. I think freshman Pat Miller would be a better option, since he knows how to play tight man coverage, and Hogan has yet to learn how. That's not to say he won't before the season is up. But he's killing the defense, since all those 3rd and 4th down conversions seem to happen right in front of him in every game...

you guys got our number, don't think we'll ever beat you

That's the plan, Stookey...

I am hearing Gruden!