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Iran's Ahmadinejad – a self-hating Jew?
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Iran's Ahmadinejad – a self-hating Jew?

Posted: October 03, 2009 6:00 pm Eastern


By Drew Zahn 2009 WorldNetDaily

Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has exasperated the world with incensed condemnations of Israel and his insistence that the Holocaust is a hoax, but could there be another reason behind his seeming hatred for the Jews?

According to a London Telegraph report, his ferocity may be overcompensation … for his own Jewish roots.

Examining a photo of the Iranian president holding aloft his identity card during the nation's 2008 elections, the newspaper discovered Ahmadinejad's original family name – prior to their conversion to Islam – was Sabourjian, a Jewish name meaning "cloth weaver."

[Image: 091003telegraphphotoahmadinejad.jpg]Mahmoud Ahmadinejad revealing his identity papers (Photo: London Telegraph)

Photo of president holding up identity card shows family changed name from Hebrew

Ahmadinejad has not denied that his name was changed when his family moved to Tehran in the 1950s, but he has also never confirmed what that original name was.

A note on his identification papers, when magnified from the photo, however, suggests the man from Aradan, Iran, carried a common Jewish name from the region of his birth. "Sabourjian," the Telegraph reports, is even on the list of reserved names for Iranian Jews compiled by Iran's Ministry of the Interior.

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"This aspect of Mr. Ahmadinejad's background explains a lot about him," commented Ali Nourizadeh of the Centre for Arab and Iranian Studies. "Every family that converts into a different religion takes a new identity by condemning their old faith."

Nouizadeh told the Telegraph, "By making anti-Israeli statements, he is trying to shed any suspicions about his Jewish connections. He feels vulnerable in a radical Shia society."

Ahmadinejad, the fourth of seven children to a man who worked as an ironworker, grocer, barber and blacksmith, moved with his family to Tehran was he was a small child. Reportedly, the family moved to seek better economic fortunes, but also took on the new, Islamic name.

A 2007 Congressional Research Service report lists the Iranian president's original family name as "Saborjhian," linking the name to the Farsi "sabor," meaning "thread painter."

Some biographers, including Joel C. Rosenberg, list Ahmadinejad's original family name as "Sabaghian," meaning "dye-master" in Persian.

But the Telegraph reports the name on his papers is "Sabourjian" and cites a London-based expert on Iranian Jewry, who says the "jian" ending is specifically Jewish.

"He has changed his name for religious reasons, or at least his parents had," said the newspaper's source. "Sabourjian is well known Jewish name in Iran."

If Ahmadinejad is of Jewish ancestry, he has done much to distance himself from his heritage.

In a 2006 speech aired on the Iranian News Channel, Ahmadinejad listed alleged crimes by Israel against Palestinians while the crowd chanted, "Death to Israel! Death to Israel!"

Ahmadinejad responded, speaking of the Jewish people, "They have no boundaries, limits or taboos when it comes to killing human beings. Who are they? Where did they come from? Are they human beings? 'They are like cattle, nay, more misguided.' A bunch of bloodthirsty barbarians. Next to them, all the criminals of the world seem righteous."

That same year, he said, "[Israel] will be gone, definitely. You [Western powers] should know that any government that stands by the Zionist regime from now on will not see any result but the hatred of the people."

At a U.N. meeting last month, the Iranian president denounced Israel for "genocide, barbarism and racism."

"Yesterday, the man who calls the Holocaust a lie spoke from this podium," responded Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the same U.N. summit. "A mere six decades after the Holocaust, you give legitimacy to a man who denies the murder of six million Jews while promising to wipe out the State of Israel, the State of the Jews. What a disgrace. What a mockery of the charter of the United Nations."

The Telegraph reports it contacted the Israeli embassy in London for comment on Ahmadinejad's birth name but was told it would not speak on the Iranian president's background.

"It's not something we'd talk about," said Ron Gidor, a spokesman.
10-04-2009 05:23 PM
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What's that? A president showing his birth certificate in public? How foreign.
10-05-2009 07:19 AM
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In a world full of dull-as-dishwater political leaders, this guy certainly stands out.
10-05-2009 10:38 AM
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(10-05-2009 10:38 AM)BGSUalum1987 Wrote:  In a world full of dull-as-dishwater political leaders, this guy certainly stands out.

I read once that he has "Sweet Hipster Style."

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False and False. No doubt the nutjob is having a laugh at Westerners' expense over this rumor. And, I don't mean Robert, I mean the other one.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/...ish-family

Quote:Professor David Yeroshalmi, author of The Jews of Iran in the 19th century and an expert on Iranian Jewish communities, disputes the validity of this argument. "There is no such meaning for the word 'sabour' in any of the Persian Jewish dialects, nor does it mean Jewish prayer shawl in Persian. Also, the name Sabourjian is not a well-known Jewish name," he stated in a recent interview. In fact, Iranian Jews use the Hebrew word "tzitzit" to describe the Jewish prayer shawl. Yeroshalmi, a scholar at Tel Aviv University's Center for Iranian Studies, also went on to dispute the article's findings that the "-jian" ending to the name specifically showed the family had been practising Jews. "This ending is in no way sufficient to judge whether someone has a Jewish background. Many Muslim surnames have the same ending," he stated.

Upon closer inspection, a completely different interpretation of "Sabourjian" emerges. According to Robert Tait, a Guardian correspondent who travelled to Ahmadinejad's native village in 2005, the name "derives from thread painter – sabor in Farsi – a once common and humble occupation in the carpet industry in Semnan province, where Aradan is situated". This is confirmed by Kasra Naji, who also wrote a biography of Ahmadinejad and met his family in his native village. Carpet weaving or colouring carpet threads are not professions associated with Jews in Iran.

According to both Naji and Tait, Ahmadinejad's father Ahmad was in fact a religious Shia, who taught the Quran before and after Ahmadinejad's birth and their move to Tehran. So religious was Ahmad Sabourjian that he bought a house near a Hosseinieh, a religious club that he frequented during the holy month of Moharram to mourn the martyrdom of Imam Hossein.

Moreover, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's mother is a Seyyede. This is a title given to women whose family are believed to be direct bloodline descendants of Prophet Muhammad. Male members are given the title of Seyyed, and include prominent figures such as Iran's supreme leader Ali Khamenei. In Judaism, this is equivalent to the Cohens, who are direct descendants of Aaron, the brother of Moses. One has to be born into a Seyyed family: the title is never given to Muslims by birth, let alone converts. This makes it impossible for Ahmadinejad's mother to have been a Jew. In fact, she was so proud of her lineage that everyone in her native village of Aradan referred to her by her Islamic title, Seyyede.

As I final note, I think that's his voter registration card. The purple stamps are for his votes in this past summer's election.
10-06-2009 04:20 PM
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How dare you interject facts into a neat and compelling falsehood! Are you trying to say copying and pasting from a WND website could be proven wrong? Blasphemy!
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Not WND. It's U.K.'s The Daily Telegraph that made the claim. Apparently the Guardian disagrees with them.
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By Drew Zahn 2009 WorldNetDaily

Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has exasperated the world with incensed condemnations of Israel and his insistence that the Holocaust is a hoax, but could there be another reason behind his seeming hatred for the Jews?
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(10-07-2009 06:42 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  By Drew Zahn 2009 WorldNetDaily

Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has exasperated the world with incensed condemnations of Israel and his insistence that the Holocaust is a hoax, but could there be another reason behind his seeming hatred for the Jews?

Quote:Iran's Ahmadinejad – a self-hating Jew?

Posted: October 03, 2009 6:00 pm Eastern


By Drew Zahn 2009 WorldNetDaily

Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has exasperated the world with incensed condemnations of Israel and his insistence that the Holocaust is a hoax, but could there be another reason behind his seeming hatred for the Jews?

According to a London Telegraph report, his ferocity may be overcompensation … for his own Jewish roots.

Quote:Mahmoud Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's vitriolic attacks on the Jewish world hide an astonishing secret, evidence uncovered by The Daily Telegraph shows.


By Damien McElroy and Ahmad Vahdat
Published: 7:30AM BST 03 Oct 2009

WND is just a re-airing with a little added commantary added to an already published story.
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Mack has issues with WND -- Not the first time he has commented on my use of WND as a source.
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Paul - that doesn't relieve WND of the editorial responsibility to down their own investigation into extraordinary (and incredible) claims before either republishing it under their banner or adding their own editorial comments to it. The fact that WND republished this story without critical review diminishes their own credibility. It's not that hard to do - given even minimal resources.
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(10-07-2009 11:13 AM)I45owl Wrote:  Paul - that doesn't relieve WND of the editorial responsibility to down their own investigation into extraordinary (and incredible) claims before either republishing it under their banner or adding their own editorial comments to it. The fact that WND republished this story without critical review diminishes their own credibility. It's not that hard to do - given even minimal resources.

Fact is Ahmadinejad is covering up. And thats newsworthy, but you won't see it hardly anywhere else. WND is doing as much investigating as any other news organization. They ALL are supposed to investigate 1st hand but that process does not happen anymore. I don't trust any media coverage, but WND covers stories that other media outlets ignore.
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(10-07-2009 06:42 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Fact is Ahmadinejad is covering up.

So, you're rejecting the contents of the Guardian article (i.e. you're continuing to hold that he does have a Jewish background)? What are you saying he's covering up?

edit: I will say I don't reject WND out of hand, but they don't seem to have the due diligence of more established news organizations, not to mention the fact that they have a transparent agenda, or set of agendas.
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I just remember that Mehdi Kharroubi made issue of his ancestry, and it became the subject of debate during the presidential campaign, Ahmadinejad was pressed for giving his "full name", which he ignored and refused to release it. So, I believe it fact, he is covering up. Just like Obama.
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