I usually avoid political threads because they always seem to devolve into a pointless flame war but I gotta bring this up. Why does it seem like Obama doesnt care about Israel? Isnt it clear to anyone with a brain that Ahmadinejad is making nukes for the sole purpose of wiping out Israel? And it took the announcement of a second nuclear bomb plant in Iran for Obama to finally stand up to them. I mean does anyone really believe him anyways? I just dont understand how he can think that all but abandoning Israel is good policy especially when he promised Jewish Americans that he would stand by Israel during his campaign. Im not the only non-Jewish person who cares about this am I?

Sorry if this has already been discussed, as I said before I dont usually read this board.

The far left in this country absolutely detests Israel, or who they like to call "Zionists". They'd like to see them driven into the sea, or worse, nuked. See RobertN or numerous posts on DU for example. They're also the number one defenders of all things Muslim and the first to trash the hell out of Christianity. Again, see RobertN or numerous posts on DU for example.

Make NO mistake about it. Obama isn't a Democrat, he's a far-left "Progressive". There are very few true Democrats anymore.

Our relationship with Israel seems like a 1 way street. I'm really not sure what we're getting out of the deal.

(09-26-2009 10:07 PM)dwr0109 Wrote:  Our relationship with Israel seems like a 1 way street. I'm really not sure what we're getting out of the deal.

Yeah, **** those Jooooos. Let'em die. /sarcasm.


How about advancements in medicine, advancements in technology, Tadiran, ECI, etc., etc., etc.?

I'm all for cutting aid to them, and just about everyone else in the damn world, but let's be honest. Anyone want to compare Muslim Nobel Prize Winners to Jewish Nobel Prize Winners?

Anyone game?

(09-26-2009 10:34 PM)Rebel Wrote:  I'm all for cutting aid to them, and just about everyone else in the damn world, but let's be honest. Anyone want to compare Muslim Nobel Prize Winners to Jewish Nobel Prize Winners?

Anyone game?

Israeli Nobel Prize winners would be more pertinent to the discussion.

And, yes, I think Israel is getting, by far, the best end of this bargain.

(09-26-2009 10:34 PM)Rebel Wrote:  I'm all for cutting aid to them, and just about everyone else in the damn world, but let's be honest. Anyone want to compare Muslim Nobel Prize Winners to Jewish Nobel Prize Winners?

Anyone game?

In 2007 Islam and Judaism's holiest holidays overlapped for 10 days.
Muslims racked up 397 dead bodies in 94 terror attacks across 10
countries during this time... while Jews worked on their 159th Nobel Prize.

I didnt really the issue was that obtuse but I guess ill go ahead and spell it out for you. Our support of Israel is key to maintaining any semblance of peace in the middle east. Fear of a strike from a U.S. backed Israel is the only thing preventing complete chaos in an already chaotic region. Without Israel there would be nothing to keep our enemies in the region in check, its really that simple.

It certainly isnt the "one way street" that you make it to be.

(09-26-2009 11:51 PM)Terpy Wrote:  I didnt really the issue was that obtuse but I guess ill go ahead and spell it out for you. Our support of Israel is key to maintaining any semblance of peace in the middle east. Fear of a strike from a U.S. backed Israel is the only thing preventing complete chaos in an already chaotic region. Without Israel there would be nothing to keep our enemies in the region in check, its really that simple.

It certainly isnt the "one way street" that you make it to be.

Can an issue be obtuse? Hmmm.


But thank you for "spelling that out" for me.

So your position is that Israel brings peace to the region? I would argue that the exact opposite is the case.

Either way, why do we need Israel, to strike "fear" into our enemies in the region?

In recent history, we've fought 2 major wars over there (3 if you want to count Afghanistan), and the last time I checked, Israel didn't fire one bullet.

Actually, I'll make a point in your favor.

I have heard that they do provide us with valuable intel about the region.

My wife is half-Jewish. Everyone on her Mother's side are staunch Democrats, most often pulling straight party tickets. They are also by and large AIPAC members.

But they are not "hard core" Democrats any longer.

They think they Obama is a fraud, and everything that Obama promised during the campaign that he would do for Israel was a lie. Many of the Jews up in the Northeast are having second thoughts about the Democrats as well.

Now if the Republicans can keep the "Religious Right" muzzled, perhaps the Republicans can pick up a large block of Jewish voters (as well as their large campaign contributions).

(09-26-2009 10:45 PM)dwr0109 Wrote:  I believe the U.S. government should advance the interests of the United States.

It is in the best interests of the US to have a strong Israel.

(09-27-2009 08:18 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  My wife is half-Jewish. Everyone on her Mother's side are staunch Democrats, most often pulling straight party tickets. They are also by and large AIPAC members.
But they are not "hard core" Democrats any longer.
They think they Obama is a fraud, and everything that Obama promised during the campaign that he would do for Israel was a lie. Many of the Jews up in the Northeast are having second thoughts about the Democrats as well.
Now if the Republicans can keep the "Religious Right" muzzled, perhaps the Republicans can pick up a large block of Jewish voters (as well as their large campaign contributions).

If the republicans can keep the religious right muzzled, perhaps they can pick up my vote.

(09-27-2009 08:18 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  My wife is half-Jewish. Everyone on her Mother's side are staunch Democrats, most often pulling straight party tickets. They are also by and large AIPAC members.

But they are not "hard core" Democrats any longer.

They think they Obama is a fraud, and everything that Obama promised during the campaign that he would do for Israel was a lie. Many of the Jews up in the Northeast are having second thoughts about the Democrats as well.

Now if the Republicans can keep the "Religious Right" muzzled, perhaps the Republicans can pick up a large block of Jewish voters (as well as their large campaign contributions).

I don't understand. The "religious right" is generally the first group to stand hand and hand with Israel.

(09-27-2009 10:29 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(09-27-2009 08:18 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  My wife is half-Jewish. Everyone on her Mother's side are staunch Democrats, most often pulling straight party tickets. They are also by and large AIPAC members.

But they are not "hard core" Democrats any longer.

They think they Obama is a fraud, and everything that Obama promised during the campaign that he would do for Israel was a lie. Many of the Jews up in the Northeast are having second thoughts about the Democrats as well.

Now if the Republicans can keep the "Religious Right" muzzled, perhaps the Republicans can pick up a large block of Jewish voters (as well as their large campaign contributions).

I don't understand. The "religious right" is generally the first group to stand hand and hand with Israel.

Correct. But many Jews are uncomfortable with the other "social conservative" positions", abortion, etc., and the vocal Phyllis Schlafly bunch for example.

But if Obama continues to "blow off " the Israelis the way he has been, and it gets to the point that Gates or Hillary issue a public statement "warning" the Israelis about a military strike, it won't make a difference. My wife's Aunt Hila has a compilation of all of Rev. Wright's Anti-Semitic sermons, and she says there no way in Hell Obama could have been a member of that church for 20+ years and not known about this.

The Israelis are perfectly capable of handling their own affairs without our help or money. They are getting ready to take care of business.

(09-27-2009 08:38 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(09-26-2009 10:45 PM)dwr0109 Wrote:  I believe the U.S. government should advance the interests of the United States.

It is in the best interests of the US to have a strong Israel.

You are correct. It keeps Americans employed in the military and military industrial sector of the economy.

(09-27-2009 02:56 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  The Israelis are perfectly capable of handling their own affairs without our help or money. They are getting ready to take care of business.

I don't believe so. To be quite honest, without the US in their corner, there's a chance you could see the entire Muslim coalition attacking them. Then again, that's conjecture on my part.

(09-27-2009 04:29 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-27-2009 08:38 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(09-26-2009 10:45 PM)dwr0109 Wrote:  I believe the U.S. government should advance the interests of the United States.

It is in the best interests of the US to have a strong Israel.

You are correct. It keeps Americans employed in the military and military industrial sector of the economy.

Fool.

(09-27-2009 05:15 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(09-27-2009 04:29 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-27-2009 08:38 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(09-26-2009 10:45 PM)dwr0109 Wrote:  I believe the U.S. government should advance the interests of the United States.

It is in the best interests of the US to have a strong Israel.

You are correct. It keeps Americans employed in the military and military industrial sector of the economy.

Fool.

You are not very intelligent if you do not believe what I said is true.

(09-27-2009 05:42 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-27-2009 05:15 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(09-27-2009 04:29 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-27-2009 08:38 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(09-26-2009 10:45 PM)dwr0109 Wrote:  I believe the U.S. government should advance the interests of the United States.

It is in the best interests of the US to have a strong Israel.

You are correct. It keeps Americans employed in the military and military industrial sector of the economy.

Fool.

You are not very intelligent if you do not believe what I said is true.

To an extent it is true. But it isn't hardly the largest factor in your statement. I'm not employed with the military because of Israel. I'm here for drugs, immigration, and safety.