(09-27-2009 05:42 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-27-2009 05:15 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(09-27-2009 04:29 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-27-2009 08:38 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(09-26-2009 10:45 PM)dwr0109 Wrote:  I believe the U.S. government should advance the interests of the United States.

It is in the best interests of the US to have a strong Israel.

You are correct. It keeps Americans employed in the military and military industrial sector of the economy.

Fool.

You are not very intelligent if you do not believe what I said is true.

Robert I, as well as most on this board, am profoundly more intelligent than you could ever hope to be. Your posts bare that out routinely. There is not a political subject you and I could discuss that I would not be able to offer better and more logical arguments than you on. Your lack of intellect is well established.

The impact Israel has on "employment" in the military and military sector could hardly be thought of as a tangible benefit. And it sure is hell not the reason we support Israel. To think it is just shows what a fuggin idiot you are.

Fool.

Terpy tried to "spell it out" for me. But "Israel keeping our enemies in check" was all I got from him.

According to a 2002 article in The Christian Science Monitor, from 1973 to 2002, aid to Israel has cost the United States $1.6 trillion.

What are we getting in return for our investment?

This is supposed to be a political "discussion" forum. So please save the "jew-hater" remarks, and condescension.

I am genuinely interested in your answers and info.

(09-27-2009 11:07 PM)dwr0109 Wrote:  Terpy tried to "spell it out" for me. But "Israel keeping our enemies in check" was all I got from him.

According to a 2002 article in The Christian Science Monitor, from 1973 to 2002, aid to Israel has cost the United States $1.6 trillion.

What are we getting in return for our investment?

This is supposed to be a political "discussion" forum. So please save the "jew-hater" remarks, and condescension.

I am genuinely interested in your answers and info.

75% of aid to Israel is returned to the US in exchange for American made weapons. But Any moron could scour the Internet for those figures. Being the political forum that this is, and since you imply there should be a return on that investment, (even thought any idiot knows Foreign Aid does not work like that) must means you think Israel owes the US something. What do you expect? What do you expect from all countries that we have given that Aid to? Africa get a huge chunk for fighting AIDS. What do they owe the US? Who writes the check for WWII? More Americans died to liberate France than the French, there is no price on that it's priceless.

You ask for answers or info but you do not even know how to ask the question. In my last post I told you where to start. So now I ask you, How much do you think you owe the taxpayers for your failed education?

(09-27-2009 11:41 PM)SumOfAllFears
' Wrote:  75% of aid to Israel is returned to the US in exchange for American made weapons. But Any moron could scour the Internet for those figures. Being the political forum that this is, and since you imply there should be a return on that investment, (even thought any idiot knows Foreign Aid does not work like that) must means you think Israel owes the US something. What do you expect? What do you expect from all countries that we have given that Aid to? Africa get a huge chunk for fighting AIDS. What do they owe the US? Who writes the check for WWII? More Americans died to liberate France than the French, there is no price on that it's priceless.

You ask for answers or info but you do not even know how to ask the question. In my last post I told you where to start. So now I ask you, How much do you think you owe the taxpayers for your failed education?

75% of aid to Israel is returned to the US in exchange for American made weapons.

Good point.


But Any moron could scour the Internet for those figures. Being the political forum that this is, and since you imply there should be a return on that investment, (even thought any idiot knows Foreign Aid does not work like that) must means you think Israel owes the US something.

No, when it comes to international relations, I subscribe to realist theory. I believe that the actions of independent states on the global stage, are generally self-serving. i.e. nobody "owes" anybody anything. And that a state's foreign policy should advance its interests.


What do you expect? What do you expect from all countries that we have given that Aid to?

Some sort of evidence that the transaction is beneficial to U.S. interests.


Africa get a huge chunk for fighting AIDS. What do they owe the US?

Africa is not a country, but my answer would be they "owe" us nothing.


Who writes the check for WWII?

The allies did. So did the axis-powers. Both sides had interests to advance, or defend.


More Americans died to liberate France than the French, there is no price on that it's priceless.

I agree. But IMO, stopping Hitler, even at the expense of so many lives, was in the best interest of the United States.


You ask for answers or info but you do not even know how to ask the question.

I thought my question was very clear. What is the reasoning behind the immense spending?


In my last post I told you where to start.

In your only post, which seems to have been deleted, you called me a "jew hating bigot." That doesn't seem like much of a starting point.


So now I ask you, How much do you think you owe the taxpayers for your failed education?

Another childish insult.

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So, after all of that, I learned that U.S. defense corporations get back 75 percent of U.S. military-aid to Israel.

I thought that I respectfully asked a legitimate question about U.S. foreign policy. Pros vs. Cons, etc. etc.

But, it appears that my "failed education" has not prepared me for your breath-taking prowess in debate.

You know what they say about arguing with an idiot.

Its been a pleasure talking with you.

(09-27-2009 11:07 PM)dwr0109 Wrote:  What are we getting in return for our investment?

they literally "Saved the world", or their Scientist and intellectual capital they contribute to the world did, in the mid-20th century. The last 30yrs they've been a major leader in Techonoligical advances to the world. There isn't a major scientific discovery you will find that doesn't have some Jewish Scientist connected to it. The USA has been far better off with our intertwined relationship with the Jewish people and Israel.

Whats that worth to you?

the Palestinians, the iranians, etc. aren't exactly doing anything close to this. "Mein Kampf" is a top seller to this day in Palestine. Their leaders look to Hitler as a model to follow, so its very interesting you, 60yrs later claim it was 'well worth stopping Hitler'....just not the modern day Hitlers.

Since Israel is the only Middle East country with a western style democracy, that in itself is enough for me to support Israel, warts and all. And you know, with that whole Holocaust thingy in their past, I am willing to cut them a little slack and give them the benefit of the doubt.

(09-27-2009 11:41 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(09-27-2009 11:07 PM)dwr0109 Wrote:  Terpy tried to "spell it out" for me. But "Israel keeping our enemies in check" was all I got from him.

According to a 2002 article in The Christian Science Monitor, from 1973 to 2002, aid to Israel has cost the United States $1.6 trillion.

What are we getting in return for our investment?

This is supposed to be a political "discussion" forum. So please save the "jew-hater" remarks, and condescension.

I am genuinely interested in your answers and info.

75% of aid to Israel is returned to the US in exchange for American made weapons. But Any moron could scour the Internet for those figures. Being the political forum that this is, and since you imply there should be a return on that investment, (even thought any idiot knows Foreign Aid does not work like that) must means you think Israel owes the US something. What do you expect? What do you expect from all countries that we have given that Aid to? Africa get a huge chunk for fighting AIDS. What do they owe the US? Who writes the check for WWII? More Americans died to liberate France than the French, there is no price on that it's priceless.

You ask for answers or info but you do not even know how to ask the question. In my last post I told you where to start. So now I ask you, How much do you think you owe the taxpayers for your failed education?

Yeah, but I am a fool for suggesting that according to Ninerfan1. That 75% doesn't go to the military industrial complex. Who is the fool now dipshit?

(09-27-2009 11:07 PM)dwr0109 Wrote:  Terpy tried to "spell it out" for me. But "Israel keeping our enemies in check" was all I got from him.

According to a 2002 article in The Christian Science Monitor, from 1973 to 2002, aid to Israel has cost the United States $1.6 trillion.

$80 BILLION per year? That is about 20 times what I guess would be the high watermark of annual funding.

Economist tallies swelling cost of Israel to US

Accounting for the difference, the economist who tallied this figure throws in all aid to countries like Egypt and Jordan. And the costs associated with the Arab oil embargo. And an increase in oil prices. And lost output due to a recession. And the strategic petroleum reserve. And private donations to Jewish charities. And the fact that the US wouldn't sell weapons to barbaric regimes Saudi Arabia.

So, in summary, 80% plus of the purported "aid to Israel" (as you misstate, but which would more correctly be stated as what this economist says are the costs to the US Economy of being allied with Israel) of the cost is attributable to Muslim dominated oil cartels or direct aid to Muslim countries. He conveniently forgot to include the burial costs of US citizens killed by Palestinian terrorists, much less heightened security by airlines since the 1960s.

(09-28-2009 12:42 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-27-2009 11:41 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(09-27-2009 11:07 PM)dwr0109 Wrote:  Terpy tried to "spell it out" for me. But "Israel keeping our enemies in check" was all I got from him.

According to a 2002 article in The Christian Science Monitor, from 1973 to 2002, aid to Israel has cost the United States $1.6 trillion.

What are we getting in return for our investment?

This is supposed to be a political "discussion" forum. So please save the "jew-hater" remarks, and condescension.

I am genuinely interested in your answers and info.

75% of aid to Israel is returned to the US in exchange for American made weapons. But Any moron could scour the Internet for those figures. Being the political forum that this is, and since you imply there should be a return on that investment, (even thought any idiot knows Foreign Aid does not work like that) must means you think Israel owes the US something. What do you expect? What do you expect from all countries that we have given that Aid to? Africa get a huge chunk for fighting AIDS. What do they owe the US? Who writes the check for WWII? More Americans died to liberate France than the French, there is no price on that it's priceless.

You ask for answers or info but you do not even know how to ask the question. In my last post I told you where to start. So now I ask you, How much do you think you owe the taxpayers for your failed education?

Yeah, but I am a fool for suggesting that according to Ninerfan1. That 75% doesn't go to the military industrial complex. Who is the fool now *******?

You are the fool you b!tch. You said we support Israel because it keeps people employed in the military. That is nothing like what was said above. You didn't even imply what was said above.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it you ignorant ****.

(09-28-2009 08:59 AM)GGniner Wrote:  

(09-27-2009 11:07 PM)dwr0109 Wrote:  What are we getting in return for our investment?

they literally "Saved the world", or their Scientist and intellectual capital they contribute to the world did, in the mid-20th century. The last 30yrs they've been a major leader in Techonoligical advances to the world. There isn't a major scientific discovery you will find that doesn't have some Jewish Scientist connected to it. The USA has been far better off with our intertwined relationship with the Jewish people and Israel.

Were these Israeli scientists, that you are referring to? My question has absolutely nothing to do with Jewish people. It is about the nation of Israel. I know full well, the extraordinary advancements made by Jewish people around the globe in virtually every aspect of society.

Whats that worth to you?

the Palestinians, the iranians, etc. aren't exactly doing anything close to this. "Mein Kampf" is a top seller to this day in Palestine.

I definitely never suggested that we should be funding Arab countries instead.

Their leaders look to Hitler as a model to follow, so its very interesting you, 60yrs later claim it was 'well worth stopping Hitler'....just not the modern day Hitlers.

I'm absolutely in favor of stopping any and all threats to U.S. interests. My question was, what does that have to do with spending so much on aid to Israel? The U.S. military is more than capable of defending U.S. interests, and like I noted previously, the Israeli military, for good reason, has been kept out of all the major wars we've fought in the region.

You guys seem to be jumping to conclusions about my post.

Asking a question about the value of our spending on aid to Israel does not mean that I am -

1) A Jew-hater
2) A Palestinian supporter
3) An "appeaser" of radical Middle-Eastern dictators.

I do think our politicians treat our tax dollars like toilet paper. And I was just asking a simple question. What are you and I getting in return for our investment?

(09-28-2009 06:02 PM)dwr0109 Wrote:  

(09-28-2009 08:59 AM)GGniner Wrote:  

(09-27-2009 11:07 PM)dwr0109 Wrote:  What are we getting in return for our investment?

they literally "Saved the world", or their Scientist and intellectual capital they contribute to the world did, in the mid-20th century. The last 30yrs they've been a major leader in Techonoligical advances to the world. There isn't a major scientific discovery you will find that doesn't have some Jewish Scientist connected to it. The USA has been far better off with our intertwined relationship with the Jewish people and Israel.

Were these Israeli scientists, that you are referring to? My question has absolutely nothing to do with Jewish people. It is about the nation of Israel. I know full well, the extraordinary advancements made by Jewish people around the globe in virtually every aspect of society.

Whats that worth to you?

the Palestinians, the iranians, etc. aren't exactly doing anything close to this. "Mein Kampf" is a top seller to this day in Palestine.

I definitely never suggested that we should be funding Arab countries instead.

Their leaders look to Hitler as a model to follow, so its very interesting you, 60yrs later claim it was 'well worth stopping Hitler'....just not the modern day Hitlers.

I'm absolutely in favor of stopping any and all threats to U.S. interests. My question was, what does that have to do with spending so much on aid to Israel? The U.S. military is more than capable of defending U.S. interests, and like I noted previously, the Israeli military, for good reason, has been kept out of all the major wars we've fought in the region.

You guys seem to be jumping to conclusions about my post.

Asking a question about the value of our spending on aid to Israel does not mean that I am -

1) A Jew-hater
2) A Palestinian supporter
3) An "appeaser" of radical Middle-Eastern dictators.
4) all of the above

I do think our politicians treat our tax dollars like toilet paper. And I was just asking a simple question. What are you and I getting in return for our investment?

You forgot
4) all of the above (fixed it for ya..)

You ask a subjective question on value, but you fail to define it, your term, your definition, or you do not even know what value is. It's like pissing up a rope.

(09-28-2009 12:47 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(09-27-2009 11:07 PM)dwr0109 Wrote:  Terpy tried to "spell it out" for me. But "Israel keeping our enemies in check" was all I got from him.

According to a 2002 article in The Christian Science Monitor, from 1973 to 2002, aid to Israel has cost the United States $1.6 trillion.

$80 BILLION per year? That is about 20 times what I guess would be the high watermark of annual funding.

Economist tallies swelling cost of Israel to US

Accounting for the difference, the economist who tallied this figure throws in all aid to countries like Egypt and Jordan. And the costs associated with the Arab oil embargo. And an increase in oil prices. And lost output due to a recession. And the strategic petroleum reserve. And private donations to Jewish charities. And the fact that the US wouldn't sell weapons to barbaric regimes Saudi Arabia.

So, in summary, 80% plus of the purported "aid to Israel" (as you misstate, but which would more correctly be stated as what this economist says are the costs to the US Economy of being allied with Israel) of the cost is attributable to Muslim dominated oil cartels or direct aid to Muslim countries. He conveniently forgot to include the burial costs of US citizens killed by Palestinian terrorists, much less heightened security by airlines since the 1960s.

Good point. Direct aid is a much better (and unbiased) topic of debate.

(09-28-2009 06:12 PM)dwr0109 Wrote:  

(09-28-2009 12:47 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(09-27-2009 11:07 PM)dwr0109 Wrote:  Terpy tried to "spell it out" for me. But "Israel keeping our enemies in check" was all I got from him.

According to a 2002 article in The Christian Science Monitor, from 1973 to 2002, aid to Israel has cost the United States $1.6 trillion.

$80 BILLION per year? That is about 20 times what I guess would be the high watermark of annual funding.

Economist tallies swelling cost of Israel to US

Accounting for the difference, the economist who tallied this figure throws in all aid to countries like Egypt and Jordan. And the costs associated with the Arab oil embargo. And an increase in oil prices. And lost output due to a recession. And the strategic petroleum reserve. And private donations to Jewish charities. And the fact that the US wouldn't sell weapons to barbaric regimes Saudi Arabia.

So, in summary, 80% plus of the purported "aid to Israel" (as you misstate, but which would more correctly be stated as what this economist says are the costs to the US Economy of being allied with Israel) of the cost is attributable to Muslim dominated oil cartels or direct aid to Muslim countries. He conveniently forgot to include the burial costs of US citizens killed by Palestinian terrorists, much less heightened security by airlines since the 1960s.

Good point. Direct aid is a much better (and unbiased) topic of debate.

I have no problem with helping people that are starving...As for the wasted money we send elsewhere...I need my share back to support MY family.

(09-28-2009 06:10 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(09-28-2009 06:02 PM)dwr0109 Wrote:  

(09-28-2009 08:59 AM)GGniner Wrote:  

(09-27-2009 11:07 PM)dwr0109 Wrote:  What are we getting in return for our investment?

they literally "Saved the world", or their Scientist and intellectual capital they contribute to the world did, in the mid-20th century. The last 30yrs they've been a major leader in Techonoligical advances to the world. There isn't a major scientific discovery you will find that doesn't have some Jewish Scientist connected to it. The USA has been far better off with our intertwined relationship with the Jewish people and Israel.

Were these Israeli scientists, that you are referring to? My question has absolutely nothing to do with Jewish people. It is about the nation of Israel. I know full well, the extraordinary advancements made by Jewish people around the globe in virtually every aspect of society.

Whats that worth to you?

the Palestinians, the iranians, etc. aren't exactly doing anything close to this. "Mein Kampf" is a top seller to this day in Palestine.

I definitely never suggested that we should be funding Arab countries instead.

Their leaders look to Hitler as a model to follow, so its very interesting you, 60yrs later claim it was 'well worth stopping Hitler'....just not the modern day Hitlers.

I'm absolutely in favor of stopping any and all threats to U.S. interests. My question was, what does that have to do with spending so much on aid to Israel? The U.S. military is more than capable of defending U.S. interests, and like I noted previously, the Israeli military, for good reason, has been kept out of all the major wars we've fought in the region.

You guys seem to be jumping to conclusions about my post.

Asking a question about the value of our spending on aid to Israel does not mean that I am -

1) A Jew-hater
2) A Palestinian supporter
3) An "appeaser" of radical Middle-Eastern dictators.
4) all of the above

I do think our politicians treat our tax dollars like toilet paper. And I was just asking a simple question. What are you and I getting in return for our investment?

You forgot
4) all of the above (fixed it for ya..)

You ask a subjective question on value, but you fail to define it, your term, your definition, or you do not even know what value is. It's like pissing up a rope.

Why is my question so difficult for you to understand?

I am talking about "value" (your word) in foreign policy terms.

i.e. advantageous to the interests of the United States. It can be monetary, political, military, etc. etc. or any combination.

Example - supporting dictatorships in Latin America during the Cold War was advantageous to U.S. interests, because of the threat of the spread of Communism.

The same goes for U.S. support of the Mujaheddin during the Soviet Occupation of Afghanistan.

We supported Iraq, in its war against Iran, in order to maintain the balance of power in the Middle East.

I'm not talking about a figure in dollars. I'm talking about pros vs. cons.

Geez.

Cut back on the insults.

(09-28-2009 06:25 PM)dwr0109 Wrote:  

(09-28-2009 06:10 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(09-28-2009 06:02 PM)dwr0109 Wrote:  

(09-28-2009 08:59 AM)GGniner Wrote:  

(09-27-2009 11:07 PM)dwr0109 Wrote:  What are we getting in return for our investment?

they literally "Saved the world", or their Scientist and intellectual capital they contribute to the world did, in the mid-20th century. The last 30yrs they've been a major leader in Techonoligical advances to the world. There isn't a major scientific discovery you will find that doesn't have some Jewish Scientist connected to it. The USA has been far better off with our intertwined relationship with the Jewish people and Israel.

Were these Israeli scientists, that you are referring to? My question has absolutely nothing to do with Jewish people. It is about the nation of Israel. I know full well, the extraordinary advancements made by Jewish people around the globe in virtually every aspect of society.

Whats that worth to you?

the Palestinians, the iranians, etc. aren't exactly doing anything close to this. "Mein Kampf" is a top seller to this day in Palestine.

I definitely never suggested that we should be funding Arab countries instead.

Their leaders look to Hitler as a model to follow, so its very interesting you, 60yrs later claim it was 'well worth stopping Hitler'....just not the modern day Hitlers.

I'm absolutely in favor of stopping any and all threats to U.S. interests. My question was, what does that have to do with spending so much on aid to Israel? The U.S. military is more than capable of defending U.S. interests, and like I noted previously, the Israeli military, for good reason, has been kept out of all the major wars we've fought in the region.

You guys seem to be jumping to conclusions about my post.

Asking a question about the value of our spending on aid to Israel does not mean that I am -

1) A Jew-hater
2) A Palestinian supporter
3) An "appeaser" of radical Middle-Eastern dictators.
4) all of the above

I do think our politicians treat our tax dollars like toilet paper. And I was just asking a simple question. What are you and I getting in return for our investment?

You forgot
4) all of the above (fixed it for ya..)

You ask a subjective question on value, but you fail to define it, your term, your definition, or you do not even know what value is. It's like pissing up a rope.

Why is my question so difficult for you to understand?

I am talking about "value" (your word) in foreign policy terms.

i.e. advantageous to the interests of the United States. It can be monetary, political, military, etc. etc. or any combination.

Example - supporting dictatorships in Latin America during the Cold War was advantageous to U.S. interests, because of the threat of the spread of Communism.

The same goes for U.S. support of the Mujaheddin during the Soviet Occupation of Afghanistan.

We supported Iraq, in its war against Iran, in order to maintain the balance of power in the Middle East.

I'm not talking about a figure in dollars. I'm talking about pros vs. cons.

Geez.

Do you know where most of the AK-47's and other Soviet arms that we sent to the Afghans came from? Israel and Egypt.

(09-28-2009 06:12 PM)dwr0109 Wrote:  Good point. Direct aid is a much better (and unbiased) topic of debate.

From a cold war perspective, supporting Israel and advancing the peace process was of absolutely critical importance given the region. Syria, Egypt, sometimes Iraq, Yemen, and various African Nations were all Soviet clients. Israel had a proven ability to defend itself and with (first British and French) American support provided a state in the Middle East that was impenetrable. With US bases (at least US built and supplied) in Saudi, plus a friendly state in Iran (until 1979), the US could defend any Russian aggression in the region. Without Israel, I doubt that would be possible (but I know more about soccer strategy than military strategy, so I'll defer to someone else with better judgement).

Funding has pretty much remained at cold war levels, and it's probably valid, if short sighted, to question whether it should remain at those levels. But, consider potential Chinese hegemony in the region, or Islamist takeover of Egypt, or ??? What situation would we be in without Israel or with a weak Israel? Not good (unless you're a short-sighted Kaffir).

Thanks for the response.

(09-28-2009 02:23 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(09-28-2009 12:42 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-27-2009 11:41 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(09-27-2009 11:07 PM)dwr0109 Wrote:  Terpy tried to "spell it out" for me. But "Israel keeping our enemies in check" was all I got from him.

According to a 2002 article in The Christian Science Monitor, from 1973 to 2002, aid to Israel has cost the United States $1.6 trillion.

What are we getting in return for our investment?

This is supposed to be a political "discussion" forum. So please save the "jew-hater" remarks, and condescension.

I am genuinely interested in your answers and info.

75% of aid to Israel is returned to the US in exchange for American made weapons. But Any moron could scour the Internet for those figures. Being the political forum that this is, and since you imply there should be a return on that investment, (even thought any idiot knows Foreign Aid does not work like that) must means you think Israel owes the US something. What do you expect? What do you expect from all countries that we have given that Aid to? Africa get a huge chunk for fighting AIDS. What do they owe the US? Who writes the check for WWII? More Americans died to liberate France than the French, there is no price on that it's priceless.

You ask for answers or info but you do not even know how to ask the question. In my last post I told you where to start. So now I ask you, How much do you think you owe the taxpayers for your failed education?

Yeah, but I am a fool for suggesting that according to Ninerfan1. That 75% doesn't go to the military industrial complex. Who is the fool now *******?

You are the fool you b!tch. You said we support Israel because it keeps people employed in the military. That is nothing like what was said above. You didn't even imply what was said above.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it you ignorant ****.

Try actually READING my post.

"It keeps Americans employed in the military and military industrial sector of the economy."

So, as you can see(well, maybe not) I said military AND military industrial sector. You seem to have a problem with the military part but we are using OUR military to protect Israel. THe Iraq war is a good example of this(the first one moreso than the second but both).

(09-29-2009 12:36 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-28-2009 02:23 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(09-28-2009 12:42 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-27-2009 11:41 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(09-27-2009 11:07 PM)dwr0109 Wrote:  Terpy tried to "spell it out" for me. But "Israel keeping our enemies in check" was all I got from him.

According to a 2002 article in The Christian Science Monitor, from 1973 to 2002, aid to Israel has cost the United States $1.6 trillion.

What are we getting in return for our investment?

This is supposed to be a political "discussion" forum. So please save the "jew-hater" remarks, and condescension.

I am genuinely interested in your answers and info.

75% of aid to Israel is returned to the US in exchange for American made weapons. But Any moron could scour the Internet for those figures. Being the political forum that this is, and since you imply there should be a return on that investment, (even thought any idiot knows Foreign Aid does not work like that) must means you think Israel owes the US something. What do you expect? What do you expect from all countries that we have given that Aid to? Africa get a huge chunk for fighting AIDS. What do they owe the US? Who writes the check for WWII? More Americans died to liberate France than the French, there is no price on that it's priceless.

You ask for answers or info but you do not even know how to ask the question. In my last post I told you where to start. So now I ask you, How much do you think you owe the taxpayers for your failed education?

Yeah, but I am a fool for suggesting that according to Ninerfan1. That 75% doesn't go to the military industrial complex. Who is the fool now *******?

You are the fool you b!tch. You said we support Israel because it keeps people employed in the military. That is nothing like what was said above. You didn't even imply what was said above.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it you ignorant ****.

Try actually READING my post.

"It keeps Americans employed in the military and military industrial sector of the economy."

So, as you can see(well, maybe not) I said military AND military industrial sector. You seem to have a problem with the military part but we are using OUR military to protect Israel. THe Iraq war is a good example of this(the first one moreso than the second but both).

Do you accentually believe the Iraq war is being fought to protect Israel? If yes, i'd like to see any evidence to that effect?