in honor of Sarah Palins' speech in the Free Market Paradise of Hong Kong, here is a Milton Friedman classic:




Thanks goes out to the British Empire, Adam Smith....common sense.

My dinner with three historical figures would definitely include Milton Friedman.

Thomas Hobbes
George Washington
Milton Friedman

Nice rebutal to that moron Michael Moore who fogets that capitalism allows people to see his propaganda at movie theaters. Moore sounded like a fool on Larry King last nite. Good for Palin to get out and show international investors that america will be open for business investment once Obama is defeated in 2012 and this country returns to Reaganomics that led the the economic boom that lasted for a quarter of a century until our goverment decided to drift off course and mandate risky loans to people who couldn't afford to pay those loans.

(09-24-2009 11:33 AM)OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:  Nice rebutal to that moron

Michael Moore who fogets that capitalism allows people to see his propaganda at movie theaters.

Moore sounded like a fool on Larry King last nite. Good for Palin to get out and show international investors that america will be open for business investment once Obama is defeated in 2012 and this country returns to Reaganomics that led the the economic boom that lasted for a quarter of a century until our goverment decided to drift off course and mandate risky loans to people who couldn't afford to pay those loans.

Michael Moore is one of the shrewdest Capitalist on the face of this planet and he knows it, we know it, and the world knows it.

Why they keep playing into his greedy little rich hands by paying to see his "Mockumentaries" is a question for Head Shrinkers.

I guess Moore is like P.T. Barnum, "There's a sucker born every minute".

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Palin used the phrase "Common Sense" multiple times yesterday....Campaign Theme?

She is clearly positioning herself as the Reagan/Thatcher Conservative/Libertarian mold. Strong Defense and Economic Libertariansim(the two are intertwined) in a Global Economy.

Michael Moore's final edition:

"How I Fooled the American Left and the Money I Made Off the Venture".

....soon afterwards to be plagiarized in it's entirety by Al Gore.

(09-24-2009 12:04 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Michael Moore's final edition:

"How I Fooled the American Left and the Money I Made Off the Venture".

....soon afterwards to be plagiarized in it's entirety by Al Gore.

Orwell's quote was never more true than w/ Michael Moore

"The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which. "

(09-24-2009 11:46 AM)GGniner Wrote:  Palin used the phrase "Common Sense" multiple times yesterday....Campaign Theme?

She is clearly positioning herself as the Reagan/Thatcher Conservative/Libertarian mold. Strong Defense and Economic Libertariansim(the two are intertwined) in a Global Economy.

The problem is that the McCain camp should have tried to position her there instead of trying to cover up the fact that she didn't fit the Washington/Wall-Street mold that the other three people on the two tickets came out of.

Her answer to questions about her qualifications should have been, "I'm as qualified as Obama is. I'll compare resumes with him any time. If he's qualified to be president then I'm overqualified to be VP."

Her answer to questions about foreign policy should have been, "Here's what I know about foreign policy. If we don't solve our energy problem, we are going to be sending our kids to die in the deserts of Asia for generations. And I know more about what it takes to solve our energy problem than anybody else on either ticket--or all of them combined, for that matter."

Put her on the offensive, and have McCain come out against the bank bailout, and they might still have won the election.

Unfortunately, she's carrying a lot of excess baggage as a result of being mishandled, and I don't know whether she can put that far enough in the past to overcome it or not.

"Voluntary cooperation" Oh so true. It's an area where I think many libertarians fail. Certainly the libertarians who write for my hometown newspaper.

Libertarians focus too much on "competition" and "individualism" while not enough on "cooperation". That's part of why they get so little traction.

Isn't cooperation kind of against the Libertarian theme?

Now that she's back in the public spot light again I wonder how long it will take for the left to resume their character assassination on her....

(09-24-2009 02:43 PM)uhmump95 Wrote:  Isn't cooperation kind of against the Libertarian theme?

Not at all. The Libertarian theme is about limiting the role of the government and maximizing individual liberty. It doesn't require rugged individualism. Libertarianism is entirely consistant with voluntary cooperation.

I'm curious as to why you would believe that libertarians would be against cooperation.

(09-24-2009 07:39 PM)jh Wrote:  

(09-24-2009 02:43 PM)uhmump95 Wrote:  Isn't cooperation kind of against the Libertarian theme?

Not at all. The Libertarian theme is about limiting the role of the government and maximizing individual liberty. It doesn't require rugged individualism. Libertarianism is entirely consistant with voluntary cooperation.

I'm curious as to why you would believe that libertarians would be against cooperation.

Libertarians actually promote voluntary cooperation quite strongly as a preferred approach over government forced coercion.

(09-24-2009 07:39 PM)jh Wrote:  

(09-24-2009 02:43 PM)uhmump95 Wrote:  Isn't cooperation kind of against the Libertarian theme?

Not at all. The Libertarian theme is about limiting the role of the government and maximizing individual liberty. It doesn't require rugged individualism. Libertarianism is entirely consistant with voluntary cooperation.

I'm curious as to why you would believe that libertarians would be against cooperation.

I can't speak for uhmump, but my own experience is that for many self-proclaimed "libertarians" their insistence that "individual's liberties" be recognized is interpreted as, "you should never be expected to fully cooperate." Really what they are promoting is incessant strife, because no one is ever fully happy when participating in a group.

These libertarians may say it's all part "volunatary cooperation" but if you disagree over any little thing, they dictate going off and doing your own thing. There is a balance required. Sometimes voluntary cooperation means a willingness to compromise on a few minor things. That's not what is said. So libertarians get labeled as rugged individualists. (Which is exactly the term I have used)

Along with that, many of these libertarians are actually espousing corporatism...and they criticize anytime there is voluntary cooperation opposing a corporation, often identifying such as some level of "socialism".

Whether that's truly part of libertarinism may be up for debate. Maybe you even demonstrate that it's not. However, since some of the public voices who've taken the mantle of "libertarian" say such things, many people believe it to be true.

(09-24-2009 02:10 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  "Voluntary cooperation" Oh so true. It's an area where I think many libertarians fail. Certainly the libertarians who write for my hometown newspaper.

Libertarians focus too much on "competition" and "individualism" while not enough on "cooperation". That's part of why they get so little traction.

You are correct Torch...The LP was originally founded on voluntary cooperation but has moved further to the right over the years. That is why I left last year. The nomination of Bob Barr was that last straw.

The LP is has lost its way today. Trying to get them to agree on anything is like trying to herd cats.

They need to go back and focus on voluntary cooperation and the non aggression principles that the party was founded upon.

takes 2 to Tango

Friedman hit that nail on the head. Enforcement of basic laws and contracts is all that is necessary for society to prosper. Very close to to my ideal view of society. As long as those laws strictly deal with theft,fraud and violence....I agree with him 100%.

One of the sins Hong Kong doesn't suffer from, or 'weak towards' is Coveting or Envy, and the politics that flows from that. I'm sure they have their other weaknesses, but that isn't one of them.

Now, why is it that Hong Kong was able to do everything they've done for the world????

Thank you Britain and the worldview and influence you spread.

(09-25-2009 08:36 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Friedman hit that nail on the head. Enforcement of basic laws and contracts is all that is necessary for society to prosper. Very close to to my ideal view of society. As long as those laws strictly deal with theft,fraud and violence....I agree with him 100%.

let me test your level of Anarchy or "Libertarianism" if you prefer.

The racist Tea-partiers, wait I mean Leftist and Anarchist(so the MSM isn't making a big deal out of it) are raising hell in Pittsburgh. Is what the Police are doing to repeal them Pro-Liberty or Anti-Liberty and why?

Same for the rioters throwing Molitov Cocktails at the GOP convention last year or any case like this?

(09-25-2009 09:19 AM)GGniner Wrote:  

(09-25-2009 08:36 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Friedman hit that nail on the head. Enforcement of basic laws and contracts is all that is necessary for society to prosper. Very close to to my ideal view of society. As long as those laws strictly deal with theft,fraud and violence....I agree with him 100%.

let me test your level of Anarchy or "Libertarianism" if you prefer.
The racist Tea-partiers, wait I mean Leftist and Anarchist(so the MSM isn't making a big deal out of it) are raising hell in Pittsburgh. Is what the Police are doing to repeal them Pro-Liberty or Anti-Liberty and why?
Same for the rioters throwing Molitov Cocktails at the GOP convention last year or any case like this?

Whether left or right, racist or anarchist, as long as they are not violent they should be allowed to continue.
When it turns violent, and Molotov cocktails clearly cross that line, they should be stopped. And the police should be given great latitude as far as what it takes to stop them.