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Really cool - I used to live in this part of the world and have sailed in those exact waters.

Their suggestion of a "secretive" fleet is hogwash - this is simply the best location on earth to put these ships into a holding pattern.
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(09-16-2009 12:56 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Really cool - I used to live in this part of the world and have sailed in those exact waters.

Their suggestion of a "secretive" fleet is hogwash - this is simply the best location on earth to put these ships into a holding pattern.

Lots of those older ships may be setting there fore a while, or sent to the breakers in India.

The "smart ship automation technology" where you can run the same displacement ship with only 1/3 of the former crew size is the wave of the future.
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I agree it's not really "secretive" except maybe that western media haven't picked up the story. But that might cause someone to wonder if the One is really on the right track, and none of the MSM want that.

The bigger story will be if in the next few months those ships go back to work hauling goods between various parts of the world not including the USA. I think that's at least a plausible scenario.
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(09-16-2009 01:02 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  
(09-16-2009 12:56 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Really cool - I used to live in this part of the world and have sailed in those exact waters.

Their suggestion of a "secretive" fleet is hogwash - this is simply the best location on earth to put these ships into a holding pattern.

Lots of those older ships may be setting there fore a while, or sent to the breakers in India.

The "smart ship automation terchnology" where you can run the same displacement ship with only 1/3 of the former crew size is the wave of the future.


Yup, but perhaps this current glut of ships, both in the waters off Malyasia and in other waters worldwide, and the ships ordered in the early 2000's and now just being delivered, are going to push back expensive investments in smart ships?

But you certainly can't argue that this smart ship tech is on the horizon and really cool. That what used to take 20 trained sailors now only takes 7 is remarkable.

I just moved an employee from Noumea, New Caledonia to Switzerland. The movers on the island were saying that cargo ships unload their cargo, then leave the containers on the island because it is cheaper to leave them in port than it is to reload them empty.

This in itself is not new news, it happened even in the best of times, but the interesting thing is now this load and leave happens in bigger ports like Singapore, Thamesport and Long Beach, not just little backwaters....

I love all the ideas floating (hah!) around about what to do with these containers - shops, housing, local storage, weather shelters etc. And if you are really interested, you can buy a rather used 20' container for about $150 here in the States, especially close to a port - you just have to move it yourself. A buddy of mine with land up in northern Wisconsin used to kid around that he would buy one, sink it into the ground, water proof it and build a cabin around the container, making it thief proof and having a good tornado shelter / food storage / zombie defense bunker.
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I noticed a spot off the Interestate the stores excess Trailers, had probalby 3 times as many as I'm use to seeing recently.
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(09-16-2009 01:31 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  zombie defense bunker.

Ooh. Zombie defense - a good use of Government Stimulus funds.
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(09-16-2009 01:31 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  zombie defense bunker.

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Your tax dollars at work (at least if you're Canadian)...

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/08/21/zombie
Quote:Historically, zombie attacks have been the dominion of science-fiction fanatics and Hollywood producers, not scholars. But in a paper scheduled to be published this year, three Canadian graduate students expose the popular sci-fi trope to some long-awaited academic scrutiny.

For the paper, set to be included in the book Infectious Disease Modelling Research Progress, Philip Munz and Ioan Hudea of Carleton University, in Ottawa, and Joe Imad, of University of Ottawa, used advanced mathematical modeling to examine the chances of mankind surviving a typical zombie epidemic.

Munz said he conceived the study last fall as a term project, and recruited classmates Hudea and Imad (the two universities share a math program) before pitching the idea to assistant professor Robert J. Smith? -- who, fortuitously, is a fan of zombie cinema (and whose taste for the unconventional may be evident in his decision to legally add a question mark to his last name).

“It kind of came as a crazy idea on my part while doing math homework with a movie on in the background,” Munz said.

That movie was Shaun of the Dead -- a parody of the 1978 cult classic Dawn of the Dead and of zombie films in general. One of the early challenges for Munz and his fellow researchers was to decide exactly which variation on the zombie to choose. They eschewed the fast-moving, quick-witted scourges of recent hits 28 Days Later and I Am Legend in favor of the “classical pop-culture zombie: slow-moving, cannibalistic, and undead.”

In order to meet standards of academic rigor, the students needed to account for variables that many zombie flicks merely imply or gloss over. For example, they needed to factor in that zombies only crave the flesh of non-zombie humans. They also needed to consider the timescale of the attack in order to account for births and “background” deaths in the human population.

In the end, the authors conclude that unless “extremely aggressive” countermeasures are taken promptly after an outbreak, little could be done to prevent zombies from transforming the human race. Two popular solutions -- quarantine and the discovery of a cure -- are unlikely to stem a zombie uprising, the researchers say, since an effective quarantine would require an unlikely level of human organization and infrastructure, and a treatment would leave patients susceptible to re-infection.

Smith? gave the students high marks and helped them get the paper published in Infectious Diseases and Modelling Progress, Munz said, where it is slated to appear between an article about tuberculosis and HIV/AIDS co-infection and one modeling the epidemiology of malaria.
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Quote:In the end, the authors conclude that unless “extremely aggressive” countermeasures are taken promptly after an outbreak, little could be done to prevent zombies from transforming the human race. Two popular solutions -- quarantine and the discovery of a cure -- are unlikely to stem a zombie uprising, the researchers say, since an effective quarantine would require an unlikely level of human organization and infrastructure, and a treatment would leave patients susceptible to re-infection.

Smith? gave the students high marks and helped them get the paper published in Infectious Diseases and Modelling Progress, Munz said, where it is slated to appear between an article about tuberculosis and HIV/AIDS co-infection and one modeling the epidemiology of malaria.

This actually is sort of interesting in a socialogical way......

While I do have a high opinion of the human race, I have a poor opinion of individual humans. No doubt a zombie or infectious disease outbreak would cause mass mayhem and death, not only from zombies but from healthy people killing healthy people for their goods.

The only protection one would have in a zombie outbreak or an infectious disease outbreak would be to surround themselves with family members, maybe even only single family units like wife/husband/kids/grandparents. Don't even allow your closest friends or distant relatives to take shelter with you, because sooner or later arguments and fights will arise. Fights will arise with family as well, but those bonds are hopefully tighter than any friendship.

Besides, I have enough .22 rounds to fight off any zombie army. Hell, they don't move fast, a head shot takes them down. And anyone 5 yrs and up can use a .22. A couple nice shotgun backups and a combination chainsaw/pike will see my family and I to Bartertown...
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(09-16-2009 01:31 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(09-16-2009 01:02 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  
(09-16-2009 12:56 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Really cool - I used to live in this part of the world and have sailed in those exact waters.

Their suggestion of a "secretive" fleet is hogwash - this is simply the best location on earth to put these ships into a holding pattern.

Lots of those older ships may be setting there fore a while, or sent to the breakers in India.

The "smart ship automation technology" where you can run the same displacement ship with only 1/3 of the former crew size is the wave of the future.


Yup, but perhaps this current glut of ships, both in the waters off Malyasia and in other waters worldwide, and the ships ordered in the early 2000's and now just being delivered, are going to push back expensive investments in smart ships?

But you certainly can't argue that this smart ship tech is on the horizon and really cool. That what used to take 20 trained sailors now only takes 7 is remarkable.

I just moved an employee from Noumea, New Caledonia to Switzerland. The movers on the island were saying that cargo ships unload their cargo, then leave the containers on the island because it is cheaper to leave them in port than it is to reload them empty.

This in itself is not new news, it happened even in the best of times, but the interesting thing is now this load and leave happens in bigger ports like Singapore, Thamesport and Long Beach, not just little backwaters....

I love all the ideas floating (hah!) around about what to do with these containers - shops, housing, local storage, weather shelters etc. And if you are really interested, you can buy a rather used 20' container for about $150 here in the States, especially close to a port - you just have to move it yourself. A buddy of mine with land up in northern Wisconsin used to kid around that he would buy one, sink it into the ground, water proof it and build a cabin around the container, making it thief proof and having a good tornado shelter / food storage / zombie defense bunker.

In Iraq. lots of shipping containers were modified to be "hardened" "semi-portable" barracks, C3 stations, etc for US installations. When we moved out of the Urban areas in Iraq, we took most of them with us, really pissing off the Iraqis expecting to move into a "Hilton"
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(09-16-2009 12:56 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Really cool - I used to live in this part of the world and have sailed in those exact waters.

Their suggestion of a "secretive" fleet is hogwash - this is simply the best location on earth to put these ships into a holding pattern.

Kinda what it looks like to me as well. There's a lake in Panama that looks like that at any given time.
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(09-16-2009 03:06 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
Quote:In the end, the authors conclude that unless “extremely aggressive” countermeasures are taken promptly after an outbreak, little could be done to prevent zombies from transforming the human race. Two popular solutions -- quarantine and the discovery of a cure -- are unlikely to stem a zombie uprising, the researchers say, since an effective quarantine would require an unlikely level of human organization and infrastructure, and a treatment would leave patients susceptible to re-infection.

Smith? gave the students high marks and helped them get the paper published in Infectious Diseases and Modelling Progress, Munz said, where it is slated to appear between an article about tuberculosis and HIV/AIDS co-infection and one modeling the epidemiology of malaria.

This actually is sort of interesting in a socialogical way......

While I do have a high opinion of the human race, I have a poor opinion of individual humans. No doubt a zombie or infectious disease outbreak would cause mass mayhem and death, not only from zombies but from healthy people killing healthy people for their goods.

The only protection one would have in a zombie outbreak or an infectious disease outbreak would be to surround themselves with family members, maybe even only single family units like wife/husband/kids/grandparents. Don't even allow your closest friends or distant relatives to take shelter with you, because sooner or later arguments and fights will arise. Fights will arise with family as well, but those bonds are hopefully tighter than any friendship.

Besides, I have enough .22 rounds to fight off any zombie army. Hell, they don't move fast, a head shot takes them down. And anyone 5 yrs and up can use a .22. A couple nice shotgun backups and a combination chainsaw/pike will see my family and I to Bartertown...

To defeat Zombies, or even possibly "LiberalACORNObamaite" Zombies, that are determined to eat and destroy you and your family, you will need Claymore Mines, or a reasonable facsimile thereof ...

Here are some suggestions:

"Not only do these publications supply information, but they also contain advertisements for various catalogs and products. The Survival Systems book catalog describes itself as offering "the most unusual and controversial books you've ever seen in your life."


http://www.vpc.org/studies/awaacc.htm
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Your tax dollars at work (at least if you're Canadian)...

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/08/21/zombie
[quote]Historically, zombie attacks have been the dominion of science-fiction fanatics and Hollywood producers, not scholars. But in a paper scheduled to be published this year, three Canadian graduate students expose the popular sci-fi trope to some long-awaited academic scrutiny.
[/quote]

HA! No word on whether the Canadian Health Care System can afford to treat a zombie outbreak!

Their results may be attributed to the fact that their slow moving bureaucracy is ALREADY RUN BY ZOMBIES!

Oh, and for the record, I read the original magazine article at the auto place on Sat, while I got new tires before the tariffs kicked in.

http://www.freddyinspace.com/2009/07/blog-post.html
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(09-16-2009 03:54 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  [quote='I45owl' pid='4630800' dateline='1253130605']
Your tax dollars at work (at least if you're Canadian)...

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/08/21/zombie
Quote:Historically, zombie attacks have been the dominion of science-fiction fanatics and Hollywood producers, not scholars. But in a paper scheduled to be published this year, three Canadian graduate students expose the popular sci-fi trope to some long-awaited academic scrutiny.

HA! No word on whether the Canadian Health Care System can afford to treat a zombie outbreak!

Their results may be attributed to the fact that their slow moving bureaucracy is ALREADY RUN BY ZOMBIES!

Oh, and for the record, I read the original magazine article at the auto place on Sat, while I got new tires before the tariffs kicked in.

http://www.freddyinspace.com/2009/07/blog-post.html

Why would you buy any tires made in China to begin with?
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(09-16-2009 03:54 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  [quote='I45owl' pid='4630800' dateline='1253130605']
Your tax dollars at work (at least if you're Canadian)...

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/08/21/zombie
Quote:Historically, zombie attacks have been the dominion of science-fiction fanatics and Hollywood producers, not scholars. But in a paper scheduled to be published this year, three Canadian graduate students expose the popular sci-fi trope to some long-awaited academic scrutiny.

HA! No word on whether the Canadian Health Care System can afford to treat a zombie outbreak!

Their results may be attributed to the fact that their slow moving bureaucracy is ALREADY RUN BY ZOMBIES!

Oh, and for the record, I read the original magazine article at the auto place on Sat, while I got new tires before the tariffs kicked in.

http://www.freddyinspace.com/2009/07/blog-post.html

Yet another reason why life expectancy is a poor measure of the health care system. Haiti is a libertarian paradise - miraculous health care without the presence of a functional government.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Zombie_Survival_Guide

Sad to see so much misinformation floating around. YOU'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!
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(09-16-2009 08:56 PM)jh Wrote:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Zombie_Survival_Guide

Sad to see so much misinformation floating around. YOU'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!

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