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The sinister motive behind Obamacare
As I have observed the democrats running around with the righteous indignation that the majority of US citizens don't want the garbage they're selling I stopped to think about their true motive.

The motive isn't exactly government control over your life, or the "noble" champion to cover everyone (including illegals) in America. The motive is to develop a larger political lever that can be forever used against the Republicans. Every election since it's creation democrats have accused the mean old Republicans of "secretly" plotting to cut medicare benefits. NOT ONCE have the Republicans even considered such a move. However, this political leverage has generally kept senior citizens on the side of the democrats. Ironically if Obamacare passes, it's the democrats who will ultimately cut medicare benefits. Now IMAGINE the FEAR Lever the democrats would have if every American were dependent on the GUBMENT for healthcare. The political impact could change the landscape and kill fiscal conservatism forever and ultimately doom the US to economic collapse under the weight of the ever increasing National Debt and the ever increasing tax rates.
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(09-13-2009 03:25 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  As I have observed the democrats running around with the righteous indignation that the majority of US citizens don't want the garbage they're selling I stopped to think about their true motive.

The motive isn't exactly government control over your life, or the "noble" champion to cover everyone (including illegals) in America. The motive is to develop a larger political lever that can be forever used against the Republicans. Every election since it's creation democrats have accused the mean old Republicans of "secretly" plotting to cut medicare benefits. NOT ONCE have the Republicans even considered such a move. However, this political leverage has generally kept senior citizens on the side of the democrats. Ironically if Obamacare passes, it's the democrats who will ultimately cut medicare benefits. Now IMAGINE the FEAR Lever the democrats would have if every American were dependent on the GUBMENT for healthcare. The political impact could change the landscape and kill fiscal conservatism forever and ultimately doom the US to economic collapse under the weight of the ever increasing National Debt and the ever increasing tax rates.
03-lmfao You must have been living in those WV coal mines all your life. Of course, the Republicans are now saying "we like socialized medical care for old people since that is the largest part of their base that is left. Go back to hibernating in the coal tunnels so you can continue to avoid the real world.
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RE: The sinister motive behind Obamacare
(09-13-2009 03:30 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(09-13-2009 03:25 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  As I have observed the democrats running around with the righteous indignation that the majority of US citizens don't want the garbage they're selling I stopped to think about their true motive.

The motive isn't exactly government control over your life, or the "noble" champion to cover everyone (including illegals) in America. The motive is to develop a larger political lever that can be forever used against the Republicans. Every election since it's creation democrats have accused the mean old Republicans of "secretly" plotting to cut medicare benefits. NOT ONCE have the Republicans even considered such a move. However, this political leverage has generally kept senior citizens on the side of the democrats. Ironically if Obamacare passes, it's the democrats who will ultimately cut medicare benefits. Now IMAGINE the FEAR Lever the democrats would have if every American were dependent on the GUBMENT for healthcare. The political impact could change the landscape and kill fiscal conservatism forever and ultimately doom the US to economic collapse under the weight of the ever increasing National Debt and the ever increasing tax rates.
03-lmfao You must have been living in those WV coal mines all your life. Of course, the Republicans are now saying "we like socialized medical care for old people since that is the largest part of their base that is left. Go back to hibernating in the coal tunnels so you can continue to avoid the real world.

But that won't be possible, Barry is closing all coal mines, they aren't "green". 01-wingedeagle
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(09-13-2009 03:30 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(09-13-2009 03:25 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  As I have observed the democrats running around with the righteous indignation that the majority of US citizens don't want the garbage they're selling I stopped to think about their true motive.

The motive isn't exactly government control over your life, or the "noble" champion to cover everyone (including illegals) in America. The motive is to develop a larger political lever that can be forever used against the Republicans. Every election since it's creation democrats have accused the mean old Republicans of "secretly" plotting to cut medicare benefits. NOT ONCE have the Republicans even considered such a move. However, this political leverage has generally kept senior citizens on the side of the democrats. Ironically if Obamacare passes, it's the democrats who will ultimately cut medicare benefits. Now IMAGINE the FEAR Lever the democrats would have if every American were dependent on the GUBMENT for healthcare. The political impact could change the landscape and kill fiscal conservatism forever and ultimately doom the US to economic collapse under the weight of the ever increasing National Debt and the ever increasing tax rates.
03-lmfao You must have been living in those WV coal mines all your life. Of course, the Republicans are now saying "we like socialized medical care for old people since that is the largest part of their base that is left. Go back to hibernating in the coal tunnels so you can continue to avoid the real world.

But that won't be possible, Barry is closing all coal mines, they aren't "green". 01-wingedeagle
Why would that matter? Just because they will all be shut down doesn't mean they somehow just disappear(btw, Obama isn't going to shut them down). Anyway, aren't most coal operations mountain top mining now? You know, making the area look like complete ****? THere was one in CT(not coal but some other material) when I lived there and it looked absolutely horrible.
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(09-13-2009 03:25 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  As I have observed the democrats running around with the righteous indignation that the majority of US citizens don't want the garbage they're selling I stopped to think about their true motive.

The motive isn't exactly government control over your life, or the "noble" champion to cover everyone (including illegals) in America. The motive is to develop a larger political lever that can be forever used against the Republicans. Every election since it's creation democrats have accused the mean old Republicans of "secretly" plotting to cut medicare benefits. NOT ONCE have the Republicans even considered such a move. However, this political leverage has generally kept senior citizens on the side of the democrats. Ironically if Obamacare passes, it's the democrats who will ultimately cut medicare benefits. Now IMAGINE the FEAR Lever the democrats would have if every American were dependent on the GUBMENT for healthcare. The political impact could change the landscape and kill fiscal conservatism forever and ultimately doom the US to economic collapse under the weight of the ever increasing National Debt and the ever increasing tax rates.

Consider further that the impact of Obamacare, Cap-and-trade (without offsetting tax relief elsewhere), and Card-check is going to be the creation of a permanent unemployment level of 15-20% who will be totally dependent on government handouts, and you have a huge democrat voting block.
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(09-13-2009 04:30 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(09-13-2009 03:25 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  As I have observed the democrats running around with the righteous indignation that the majority of US citizens don't want the garbage they're selling I stopped to think about their true motive.

The motive isn't exactly government control over your life, or the "noble" champion to cover everyone (including illegals) in America. The motive is to develop a larger political lever that can be forever used against the Republicans. Every election since it's creation democrats have accused the mean old Republicans of "secretly" plotting to cut medicare benefits. NOT ONCE have the Republicans even considered such a move. However, this political leverage has generally kept senior citizens on the side of the democrats. Ironically if Obamacare passes, it's the democrats who will ultimately cut medicare benefits. Now IMAGINE the FEAR Lever the democrats would have if every American were dependent on the GUBMENT for healthcare. The political impact could change the landscape and kill fiscal conservatism forever and ultimately doom the US to economic collapse under the weight of the ever increasing National Debt and the ever increasing tax rates.

Consider further that the impact of Obamacare, Cap-and-trade (without offsetting tax relief elsewhere), and Card-check is going to be the creation of a permanent unemployment level of 15-20% who will be totally dependent on government handouts, and you have a huge democrat voting block.

The sad thing the 15 - 20% you refer to are the working Blue Collar families that had become middle class wage earners. Obama's policies will make the poor wage takers as the look for all the Gubment handouts.
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Businesses will flee the US for tax shelters if it gets that bad, for a long period.

that "change" obama campaigned on may be the one promise he actually keeps
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RE: The sinister motive behind Obamacare
Obamacare + Cap-and-trade (without offsetting tax relief) + Card-check = Flight to tax havens

And they will NOT be coming back. Not ever.

But Reid and Pelosi and Biden and Obama will have their socialist paradise.
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(09-13-2009 04:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Obamacare + Cap-and-trade (without offsetting tax relief) + Card-check = Flight to tax havens

And they will NOT be coming back. Not ever.

and if the Libs are still in power, they will attempt something drastic(commie like) to stop them from leaving.

breaking point

hopefully much if the idiocy is thwarted, and 2010 corrects things.

the left in this country is too far gone. I would say Australia is well situated to take things over, if not for their geographic location.
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Australia has remoteness working against it. Also, small population and not a huge potential to add a lot of people, since so much of the continent is pretty much uninhabitable. It is by far the driest of all continents, and that places some limits on growth.

I really think Brasil has a chance to be a huge player.

A lot of economists think it's the four B-R-I-C countries (Brasil, Russia, India, and China) that will do best when the world pulls out of this recession. I think Brasil might be best placed of the four. They have solved their energy problem for the foreseeable future.

I would watch very carefully what China does. I think their strategy is to get us so far into debt to them that they can force us to sit out when they start to assert their hegemony. They are very close to moving the entire African continent into their sphere of influence. They can do that without having to use a single soldier, because of the economic power that being a producer nation gives them.

We are trying to remain a major power as a consumer nation. The only power we really have to assert is military power. Ergo, we end up getting soldiers killed in places like Afghanistan and Iraq, and polarizing opposition in many parts of the world.

In the post-Cold-War world, economic power is more important than military power. The republicans love military power, and the democrats hate to turn the economy loose, so neither party gets it.
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(09-13-2009 04:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Obamacare + Cap-and-trade (without offsetting tax relief) + Card-check = Flight to tax havens

And they will NOT be coming back. Not ever.

But Reid and Pelosi and Biden and Obama will have their socialist paradise.
Oh my god! THe sky is falling! We are all going to die(not to mention being unemployed)! The corporations are all going to leave the country!

If they do, **** them. If they don't stay here, their products should be taxed up the ass if they want to sell them here. Period.
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RE: The sinister motive behind Obamacare
(09-13-2009 05:25 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(09-13-2009 04:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Obamacare + Cap-and-trade (without offsetting tax relief) + Card-check = Flight to tax havens
And they will NOT be coming back. Not ever.
But Reid and Pelosi and Biden and Obama will have their socialist paradise.
Oh my god! THe sky is falling! We are all going to die(not to mention being unemployed)! The corporations are all going to leave the country!
If they do, **** them. If they don't stay here, their products should be taxed up the ass if they want to sell them here. Period.

And exactly WHAT would that accomplish?
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(09-13-2009 05:25 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(09-13-2009 04:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Obamacare + Cap-and-trade (without offsetting tax relief) + Card-check = Flight to tax havens

And they will NOT be coming back. Not ever.

But Reid and Pelosi and Biden and Obama will have their socialist paradise.
Oh my god! THe sky is falling! We are all going to die(not to mention being unemployed)! The corporations are all going to leave the country!

If they do, **** them. If they don't stay here, their products should be taxed up the ass if they want to sell them here. Period.

Good luck with your government trash job. ...until the tax dollars stop coming into the government.

I swear Robert, you have to be the most economically-ignorant person on the board.
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(09-13-2009 05:27 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(09-13-2009 05:25 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(09-13-2009 04:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Obamacare + Cap-and-trade (without offsetting tax relief) + Card-check = Flight to tax havens
And they will NOT be coming back. Not ever.
But Reid and Pelosi and Biden and Obama will have their socialist paradise.
Oh my god! THe sky is falling! We are all going to die(not to mention being unemployed)! The corporations are all going to leave the country!
If they do, **** them. If they don't stay here, their products should be taxed up the ass if they want to sell them here. Period.

And exactly WHAT would that accomplish?
Bring in tax money to replace that which is lost. Not to mention it just might make CEO's a little more patriotic and a little less greedy. Of course, with ******** like you running these companies, greed trumps patriotism.
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(09-13-2009 05:28 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(09-13-2009 05:25 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(09-13-2009 04:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Obamacare + Cap-and-trade (without offsetting tax relief) + Card-check = Flight to tax havens

And they will NOT be coming back. Not ever.

But Reid and Pelosi and Biden and Obama will have their socialist paradise.
Oh my god! THe sky is falling! We are all going to die(not to mention being unemployed)! The corporations are all going to leave the country!

If they do, **** them. If they don't stay here, their products should be taxed up the ass if they want to sell them here. Period.

Good luck with your government trash job. ...until the tax dollars stop coming into the government.

I swear Robert, you have to be the most economically-ignorant person on the board.
Economically-ignorant? Um, aren't you the one who believes in trickle down(ie. piss on the middle class) economics. WHy do you think wages are dropping? Greed and profit by the rich screwiing the middle class. THe lower the wage, the more profit the company makes. Won't be long until the entire world has the same wages(ours dropping like a rock because you idiots will get rid of minimum wage laws so companies can pay any wage they want.
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Like Rebel said, ignorant.
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(09-13-2009 05:31 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(09-13-2009 05:27 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(09-13-2009 05:25 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(09-13-2009 04:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Obamacare + Cap-and-trade (without offsetting tax relief) + Card-check = Flight to tax havens
And they will NOT be coming back. Not ever.
But Reid and Pelosi and Biden and Obama will have their socialist paradise.
Oh my god! THe sky is falling! We are all going to die(not to mention being unemployed)! The corporations are all going to leave the country!
If they do, **** them. If they don't stay here, their products should be taxed up the ass if they want to sell them here. Period.

And exactly WHAT would that accomplish?
Bring in tax money to replace that which is lost. Not to mention it just might make CEO's a little more patriotic and a little less greedy. Of course, with ******** like you running these companies, greed trumps patriotism.

Good God you're ignorant.

Did you graduate from NIU? Hell, did you graduate high school? Did you ever take a class on market economics? Any business classes at all?
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(09-13-2009 05:38 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(09-13-2009 05:28 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(09-13-2009 05:25 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(09-13-2009 04:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Obamacare + Cap-and-trade (without offsetting tax relief) + Card-check = Flight to tax havens

And they will NOT be coming back. Not ever.

But Reid and Pelosi and Biden and Obama will have their socialist paradise.
Oh my god! THe sky is falling! We are all going to die(not to mention being unemployed)! The corporations are all going to leave the country!

If they do, **** them. If they don't stay here, their products should be taxed up the ass if they want to sell them here. Period.

Good luck with your government trash job. ...until the tax dollars stop coming into the government.

I swear Robert, you have to be the most economically-ignorant person on the board.
Economically-ignorant? Um, aren't you the one who believes in trickle down(ie. piss on the middle class) economics. WHy do you think wages are dropping? Greed and profit by the rich screwiing the middle class. THe lower the wage, the more profit the company makes. Won't be long until the entire world has the same wages(ours dropping like a rock because you idiots will get rid of minimum wage laws so companies can pay any wage they want.

Trickle down has grown the largest middle class in history. It's also created the largest black middle class. Yeah, I'd say it works. What you want is what you see in places like Venezuela, Cuba, etc. with haves and have nots.
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You actually have proof that all things Father Barack does is NOT Sinister ??????

When was there ever and Altruistic Reason for Jam-Cramming this "Unwritten and Unread Health Care Bill down our throats" ?????

You KNOW it is a VERY SINISTER dealing when Father Barack can stand in the Chamber of Congress and Make Promise after Promise about a Health Care Bill that ISN'T EVEN WRITTEN YET !!!!!!!

Father Barack is STILL writing Checks his Knat Sized Ass can't Cash and all the Slobbering Lefty Loons are just eating up like a dog back at it's own puke.

Wilson was the only HONEST MOFO in the Chamber that night and he has been excoriated for it over and over and over.

But the LIAR Au Pair just chugs right along with Standing Ovations from the Slobbering Lefty Loons.

What a Circus man, what a f*cking Circus !!!!!!!!

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(09-13-2009 07:43 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(09-13-2009 05:31 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(09-13-2009 05:27 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(09-13-2009 05:25 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(09-13-2009 04:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Obamacare + Cap-and-trade (without offsetting tax relief) + Card-check = Flight to tax havens
And they will NOT be coming back. Not ever.
But Reid and Pelosi and Biden and Obama will have their socialist paradise.
Oh my god! THe sky is falling! We are all going to die(not to mention being unemployed)! The corporations are all going to leave the country!
If they do, **** them. If they don't stay here, their products should be taxed up the ass if they want to sell them here. Period.

And exactly WHAT would that accomplish?
Bring in tax money to replace that which is lost. Not to mention it just might make CEO's a little more patriotic and a little less greedy. Of course, with ******** like you running these companies, greed trumps patriotism.

Good God you're ignorant.

Did you graduate from NIU? Hell, did you graduate high school? Did you ever take a class on market economics? Any business classes at all?
Yes. I did take a class in economics. Of course, it was all trickle down crap. Yes, I did take a couple business classes and quite frankly, the bs about greed being what business is all about really turned me off. No loyalty to the country, just greed. Sad. :(
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