http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...limit.html

Quote:They ignored her pleas and allegedly told her they were following national guidelines that babies born before 22 weeks should not be given medical treatment.

Miss Capewell, 23, said doctors refused to even see her son Jayden, who lived for almost two hours without any medical support.

She said he was breathing unaided, had a strong heartbeat and was even moving his arms and legs, but medics refused to admit him to a special care baby unit…

She told how she begged one paediatrician, ‘You have got to help’, only for the man to respond: ‘No we don’t.’

Here is how Rationing and letting Beaurcrats instead of Doctors and Individuals(in this case the Mother) make decision leads to "Death Panels".

Of course this isn't all that different from what Obama did in Illinois supporting Live Birth Abortions. Only real difference is the mother originally intended to kill/murder the baby in those cases.

Nihilistic liberals have a death wish as it is though, so little wonder they want Socialized Healthcare which will always result in Rationing

So the Dems were right. There was no "Death Panel"...there was no panel at all. Just doctors making decisions based on a handbook of rules*!

I guess that just proves how gullible and ignorant we conservatives really are. "Death Panels" sheesh! That actually gives you some optimism that you could plead your case. How naive is that?

*Which is all perfectly acceptable as long is it's not the Bible. *shudder* The political left will scream all day about the illegitimacy of imposing on them any morals from some dusty old tome, but it's perfectly fine for them to do so if they author the text.

Quote:Experts on medical ethics advised doctors not to resuscitate babies born before 23 weeks in the womb, stating that it was not in the child's 'best interests'.
The guidelines said: 'If gestational age is certain and less than 23+0 (i.e at 22 weeks) it would be considered in the best interests of the baby, and standard practice, for resuscitation not to be carried out.'

Experts = Panel
No resuscitation = Death

If the left doesn't understand this then they're willfully blind.

the left will lie(to themselves and us) and point to the bill and say, "nowhere in the bill are these death panels those crazy right wingers are talking about....FIND ME THE PHRASE DEATH PANEL in the BILL!"

(09-09-2009 12:13 PM)GGniner Wrote:  the left will lie(to themselves and us) and point to the bill and say, "nowhere in the bill are these death panels those crazy right wingers are talking about....FIND ME THE PHRASE DEATH PANEL in the BILL!"

Their inability to think and their zeal to get something paid for by the hateful rich, blinds them to reality.

(09-09-2009 12:47 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(09-09-2009 12:13 PM)GGniner Wrote:  the left will lie(to themselves and us) and point to the bill and say, "nowhere in the bill are these death panels those crazy right wingers are talking about....FIND ME THE PHRASE DEATH PANEL in the BILL!"

Their inability to think and their zeal to get something paid for by the hateful rich, blinds them to reality.

In case people haven't been watching, Obama's definition of rich is changing to include just about everyone. When we're completely socialized and there are no rich people (with the exception of Obama's friends) then what?

(09-09-2009 12:47 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(09-09-2009 12:13 PM)GGniner Wrote:  the left will lie(to themselves and us) and point to the bill and say, "nowhere in the bill are these death panels those crazy right wingers are talking about....FIND ME THE PHRASE DEATH PANEL in the BILL!"

Their inability to think and their zeal to get something paid for by the hateful rich, blinds them to reality.

Lotta upper middle class, and wealthy, are vocal Dems. It's got to be more complicated than that.

If he tries to wordsmith his way to passing this bill, the American people will see through it. Healthcare reform then insurance reform, public option = gov't takeover of healthcare, The idea that no ones insurance will change and then taking Medicare Advantage away from seniors. Flatly refusing to make the new Obamacare mandatory for Gov't employees or making their Federal plan available to everyone else. Saying you won't have to change doctors but Dr. are going out of business because too high malpractice insurance. And on and on and on.... Just not believable.

I think they are going for the NUCLEAR OPTION.

(09-09-2009 12:59 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(09-09-2009 12:47 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(09-09-2009 12:13 PM)GGniner Wrote:  the left will lie(to themselves and us) and point to the bill and say, "nowhere in the bill are these death panels those crazy right wingers are talking about....FIND ME THE PHRASE DEATH PANEL in the BILL!"

Their inability to think and their zeal to get something paid for by the hateful rich, blinds them to reality.

Lotta upper middle class, and wealthy, are vocal Dems. It's got to be more complicated than that.

They see themselves as the so-called "vanguard of the proletariat", leading the way to the socialist paradise, and hence exempt from the annoying life the average man will have to lead in the interim. They'll need better of everything as they do the peoples work to improve the world. Yeah, that's the ticket.