I asked this question in one of the threads of anyone and got no replys. Which one is a lie? When Obama makes a prepared speech at a news conference for us paid goons of the insurance lobby where he says he has no intentions of doing away with private heath care, private insurance, or when he is secretly filmed in a room full of like minded people telling them that single payer health care is the goal and the current heath care bill is a way to get there.
Also these clips have been posted in another thread, along with another, and none of the libs here posted. Period. Will any of you take a shot at the question?
IMO, all of Obamas' previous actions (his votes, etc.) point to him leaning way to the socialist end of the political spectrum. I've always believed that actions speak louder than words. With that in mind, I think Obama would like nothing better than to have the government control all of the Health industry, and with Cap & trade, the Energy Industry. I think that people like Obama know that their way to power is through government control.
He has to lie to a large segment of the American populous about his true goals because if the truth gains legs, he won't be able to increase government control (his power). The Health debate is wobbling on the edge right now.
IMO, Obama really wants total government control.......he lets this cat out of the bag with like minded groups, but lies to the general population in hopes it will be too late when we find out.
Paul, anything I have ever heard the guy say on this subject, inevitably ends up where he Absolutely Says he is for "Total Government Control of All Aspects of Health Care and that means "Doing Away with Freedom to Choose Free Market Independent Medical Insurance".
Obama has said this over and over and over .... and it is almost ALL caught on Video and STILL no one listens.
This is the craziness of this uber-stupidity - - no one listens or hears what his guy says - - they are TOO in Love with him.
So, I know all of us thinking people with our eyes and ears open know his goal, but the libs keep saying it isn't true. Why will they, in three threads now, not respond to his actual words?
Paul M - You are ALMOST there. Almost, but you still think one of these is the truth. The right answer is that they are ALL lies. This man lies all the time. He IS a lie - in almost every possible way. Ooops! Now I did it. - in every possible way.
(08-07-2009 09:55 PM)Claw Wrote: Paul M - You are ALMOST there. Almost, but you still think one of these is the truth. The right answer is that they are ALL lies. This man lies all the time. He IS a lie - in almost every possible way. Ooops! Now I did it. - in every possible way.
I've sent an e-mail on to thewhitehouse with your name.
Paul, anything I have ever heard the guy say on this subject, inevitably ends up where he Absolutely Says he is for "Total Government Control of All Aspects of Health Care and that means "Doing Away with Freedom to Choose Free Market Independent Medical Insurance".
Obama has said this over and over and over .... and it is almost ALL caught on Video and STILL no one listens.
This is the craziness of this uber-stupidity - - no one listens or hears what his guy says - - they are TOO in Love with him.
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It's not so much love as it is a lack of education in general and a complete lack of knowledge of history.
We talk of socialism, communism, fascism and capitalism. The average "man on the street" can't tell you what they are or the differences between them. And I'm not just talking about those "back on the block". There are college graduates in the same boat. These ideas are not taught in high school and only come up in college in specific classes and there they are taught by leftists. My kids, both grown, wouldn't know anything about politics, history or government, except for my constant badgering.
Today the arguments on policy come down to the "thinking people" with facts and an understanding of how we got to where we are today against the "feeling people" with their pie in the sky plans and their rigid ignorance. It is extremely frustrating.
(08-08-2009 09:53 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote: It's not so much love as it is a lack of education in general and a complete lack of knowledge of history.
We talk of socialism, communism, fascism and capitalism. The average "man on the street" can't tell you what they are or the differences between them. And I'm not just talking about those "back on the block". There are college graduates in the same boat. These ideas are not taught in high school and only come up in college in specific classes and there they are taught by leftists. My kids, both grown, wouldn't know anything about politics, history or government, except for my constant badgering.
Today the arguments on policy come down to the "thinking people" with facts and an understanding of how we got to where we are today against the "feeling people" with their pie in the sky plans and their rigid ignorance. It is extremely frustrating.
It is so Very Frustrating that it is almost a "Driver to Total Fingernails on the Blackboard Insanity".
Even in the Public School Systems kids are pummeled with this stuff, bit man after they hit College, it is like a Trip Down the Hole of Plugged in Communism.
You have to remember that we are and have been a Free Market Capitalist Society for so long, that is only a very Short Stroke to be Socialist - - if you try to make Russia a Socialist Nation, where do you start and where do you go .... they are Socialist Steeped and are at Saturation Levels.
You move the United States just a tiny bit hear and tiny bit there and we have Major Changes in our Constitutional Structure and the trip to Socialism is only Program or an Entitlement away .... we have a lot of room until "Saturation" and that is what this Administration is counting on .... we won't notice until it is TOO LATE.
(08-07-2009 09:13 PM)Crebman Wrote: IMO, all of Obamas' previous actions (his votes, etc.) point to him leaning way to the socialist end of the political spectrum. I've always believed that actions speak louder than words. With that in mind, I think Obama would like nothing better than to have the government control all of the Health industry, and with Cap & trade, the Energy Industry. I think that people like Obama know that their way to power is through government control.
He has to lie to a large segment of the American populous about his true goals because if the truth gains legs, he won't be able to increase government control (his power). The Health debate is wobbling on the edge right now.
IMO, Obama really wants total government control.......he lets this cat out of the bag with like minded groups, but lies to the general population in hopes it will be too late when we find out.
Crabs, take off the tinfoil hat. Put it down safely next to you and walk away.
(08-07-2009 08:56 PM)Paul M Wrote: I asked this question in one of the threads of anyone and got no replys. Which one is a lie? When Obama makes a prepared speech at a news conference for us paid goons of the insurance lobby where he says he has no intentions of doing away with private heath care, private insurance, or when he is secretly filmed in a room full of like minded people telling them that single payer health care is the goal and the current heath care bill is a way to get there.
Also these clips have been posted in another thread, along with another, and none of the libs here posted. Period. Will any of you take a shot at the question?
Well, I would guess he would LIKE to have single payer and that would be his choice for the country. Of course, this isn't the Presidents bill like you guys want to make it. It is up to the Congress to pass a bill for healthcare. THey know what the President wants but that isn't always practical or the best for the country at this time(though it may be in the future). THey are trying to find a good compromise to make everyone happy-the insurance companies, pharma companies, the right, the left and the citizens. It may not be and probably is not going to be the best plan because there are so many competing interests. We will just have to see if it can be successful if it passes. I don't buy that anyone can know if something this complicated will be a success or a failure until it is implemented and has been around a few years.
(08-07-2009 08:56 PM)Paul M Wrote: I asked this question in one of the threads of anyone and got no replys. Which one is a lie? When Obama makes a prepared speech at a news conference for us paid goons of the insurance lobby where he says he has no intentions of doing away with private heath care, private insurance, or when he is secretly filmed in a room full of like minded people telling them that single payer health care is the goal and the current heath care bill is a way to get there.
Also these clips have been posted in another thread, along with another, and none of the libs here posted. Period. Will any of you take a shot at the question?
Well, I would guess he would LIKE to have single payer and that would be his choice for the country. Of course, this isn't the Presidents bill like you guys want to make it. It is up to the Congress to pass a bill for healthcare. THey know what the President wants but that isn't always practical or the best for the country at this time(though it may be in the future). THey are trying to find a good compromise to make everyone happy-the insurance companies, pharma companies, the right, the left and the citizens. It may not be and probably is not going to be the best plan because there are so many competing interests. We will just have to see if it can be successful if it passes. I don't buy that anyone can know if something this complicated will be a success or a failure until it is implemented and has been around a few years.
You are so full of pure sh't until you are a "Hazardous Waste Site" !!!!!!
This guy had this Bill drafted by a bunch of Retard Think Tank Types that are 20 Something Bean Counters ...
SO YES, THIS IS "IT'S" BILL !!!!!!!
Don't lay this crap off onto anyone as far as Authoring this garbage, it belongs to Barack Hussein Obama and his Little Gaggle of Children, all you lovers and the Ass Kissing Freaks in Congress have Adopted it and you can't tell me 10 Coherent things in this piece of Sh't Legislation that does not Conflict with 1000 other things in this 1200 Page Wrecking Ball for America.
Robert, if you are such a Couch Potato worthless hoot that you are dying for free Health Care, then CROSS THE BORDER INTO CANADA and HAVE A BALL SON !!!!!!
And I KNOW you have read all 1100+ Pages of this Bill and TOTALLY UNDERSTAND EACH and EVERY CONCEPT of IT ......
And NO, I haven't read it either, but I have researched enough of it to know it is pure Disconnected, Poly Lateral Sh'tsum.
(08-07-2009 09:55 PM)Claw Wrote: Paul M - You are ALMOST there. Almost, but you still think one of these is the truth. The right answer is that they are ALL lies. This man lies all the time. He IS a lie - in almost every possible way. Ooops! Now I did it. - in every possible way.
(08-08-2009 09:53 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote: It's not so much love as it is a lack of education in general and a complete lack of knowledge of history.
We talk of socialism, communism, fascism and capitalism. The average "man on the street" can't tell you what they are or the differences between them. And I'm not just talking about those "back on the block". There are college graduates in the same boat. These ideas are not taught in high school and only come up in college in specific classes and there they are taught by leftists. My kids, both grown, wouldn't know anything about politics, history or government, except for my constant badgering.
Today the arguments on policy come down to the "thinking people" with facts and an understanding of how we got to where we are today against the "feeling people" with their pie in the sky plans and their rigid ignorance. It is extremely frustrating.
It is so Very Frustrating that it is almost a "Driver to Total Fingernails on the Blackboard Insanity".
Even in the Public School Systems kids are pummeled with this stuff, bit man after they hit College, it is like a Trip Down the Hole of Plugged in Communism.
You have to remember that we are and have been a Free Market Capitalist Society for so long, that is only a very Short Stroke to be Socialist - - if you try to make Russia a Socialist Nation, where do you start and where do you go .... they are Socialist Steeped and are at Saturation Levels.
You move the United States just a tiny bit hear and tiny bit there and we have Major Changes in our Constitutional Structure and the trip to Socialism is only Program or an Entitlement away .... we have a lot of room until "Saturation" and that is what this Administration is counting on .... we won't notice until it is TOO LATE.
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All you righties have finally completely lost it. You are all mentally insane.
(08-07-2009 08:56 PM)Paul M Wrote: I asked this question in one of the threads of anyone and got no replys. Which one is a lie? When Obama makes a prepared speech at a news conference for us paid goons of the insurance lobby where he says he has no intentions of doing away with private heath care, private insurance, or when he is secretly filmed in a room full of like minded people telling them that single payer health care is the goal and the current heath care bill is a way to get there.
Also these clips have been posted in another thread, along with another, and none of the libs here posted. Period. Will any of you take a shot at the question?
Well, I would guess he would LIKE to have single payer and that would be his choice for the country. Of course, this isn't the Presidents bill like you guys want to make it. It is up to the Congress to pass a bill for healthcare. THey know what the President wants but that isn't always practical or the best for the country at this time(though it may be in the future). THey are trying to find a good compromise to make everyone happy-the insurance companies, pharma companies, the right, the left and the citizens. It may not be and probably is not going to be the best plan because there are so many competing interests. We will just have to see if it can be successful if it passes. I don't buy that anyone can know if something this complicated will be a success or a failure until it is implemented and has been around a few years.
You are so full of pure sh't until you are a "Hazardous Waste Site" !!!!!!
This guy had this Bill drafted by a bunch of Retard Think Tank Types that are 20 Something Bean Counters ...
SO YES, THIS IS "IT'S" BILL !!!!!!!
Don't lay this crap off onto anyone as far as Authoring this garbage, it belongs to Barack Hussein Obama and his Little Gaggle of Children, all you lovers and the Ass Kissing Freaks in Congress have Adopted it and you can't tell me 10 Coherent things in this piece of Sh't Legislation that does not Conflict with 1000 other things in this 1200 Page Wrecking Ball for America.
Robert, if you are such a Couch Potato worthless hoot that you are dying for free Health Care, then CROSS THE BORDER INTO CANADA and HAVE A BALL SON !!!!!!
And I KNOW you have read all 1100+ Pages of this Bill and TOTALLY UNDERSTAND EACH and EVERY CONCEPT of IT ......
And NO, I haven't read it either, but I have researched enough of it to know it is pure Disconnected, Poly Lateral Sh'tsum.
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Trippy, you are so hillarious. You are so far from reality it is quite pathetic really. "The party of no" is "the party of yes" when it comes to health industry bull**** and their money. I guess not living in the real world comes from your living in the deep south in Lousiana.
(This post was last modified: 08-08-2009 03:59 PM by RobertN.)
(08-07-2009 08:56 PM)Paul M Wrote: I asked this question in one of the threads of anyone and got no replys. Which one is a lie? When Obama makes a prepared speech at a news conference for us paid goons of the insurance lobby where he says he has no intentions of doing away with private heath care, private insurance, or when he is secretly filmed in a room full of like minded people telling them that single payer health care is the goal and the current heath care bill is a way to get there.
Also these clips have been posted in another thread, along with another, and none of the libs here posted. Period. Will any of you take a shot at the question?
Well, I would guess he would LIKE to have single payer and that would be his choice for the country. Of course, this isn't the Presidents bill like you guys want to make it. It is up to the Congress to pass a bill for healthcare. THey know what the President wants but that isn't always practical or the best for the country at this time(though it may be in the future). THey are trying to find a good compromise to make everyone happy-the insurance companies, pharma companies, the right, the left and the citizens. It may not be and probably is not going to be the best plan because there are so many competing interests. We will just have to see if it can be successful if it passes. I don't buy that anyone can know if something this complicated will be a success or a failure until it is implemented and has been around a few years.
You are so full of pure sh't until you are a "Hazardous Waste Site" !!!!!!
This guy had this Bill drafted by a bunch of Retard Think Tank Types that are 20 Something Bean Counters ...
SO YES, THIS IS "IT'S" BILL !!!!!!!
Don't lay this crap off onto anyone as far as Authoring this garbage, it belongs to Barack Hussein Obama and his Little Gaggle of Children, all you lovers and the Ass Kissing Freaks in Congress have Adopted it and you can't tell me 10 Coherent things in this piece of Sh't Legislation that does not Conflict with 1000 other things in this 1200 Page Wrecking Ball for America.
Robert, if you are such a Couch Potato worthless hoot that you are dying for free Health Care, then CROSS THE BORDER INTO CANADA and HAVE A BALL SON !!!!!!
And I KNOW you have read all 1100+ Pages of this Bill and TOTALLY UNDERSTAND EACH and EVERY CONCEPT of IT ......
And NO, I haven't read it either, but I have researched enough of it to know it is pure Disconnected, Poly Lateral Sh'tsum.
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Trippy, you are so hillarious. You are so far from reality it is quite pathetic really. "The party of no" is "the party of yes" when it comes to health industry bull**** and their money. I guess not living in the real world comes from your living in the deep south in Lousiana.
I totally give up on you Dude ..... if you don't want to help your self stay free and Non-Socialistic, then support these clowns to the death.
You are way way beyond repair Robert and you may get what you ask for, but don't ever ***** and moan about what you got.
You are saddling at least 1 Just Born and 2 Unborn Generations with this hostile never-ending debt and you are laughing your ass off about it.
And you say that I am the "Insane One" ... you are "Clinical Bud".
(08-07-2009 08:56 PM)Paul M Wrote: I asked this question in one of the threads of anyone and got no replys. Which one is a lie? When Obama makes a prepared speech at a news conference for us paid goons of the insurance lobby where he says he has no intentions of doing away with private heath care, private insurance, or when he is secretly filmed in a room full of like minded people telling them that single payer health care is the goal and the current heath care bill is a way to get there.
Also these clips have been posted in another thread, along with another, and none of the libs here posted. Period. Will any of you take a shot at the question?
Well, I would guess he would LIKE to have single payer and that would be his choice for the country. Of course, this isn't the Presidents bill like you guys want to make it. It is up to the Congress to pass a bill for healthcare. THey know what the President wants but that isn't always practical or the best for the country at this time(though it may be in the future). THey are trying to find a good compromise to make everyone happy-the insurance companies, pharma companies, the right, the left and the citizens. It may not be and probably is not going to be the best plan because there are so many competing interests. We will just have to see if it can be successful if it passes. I don't buy that anyone can know if something this complicated will be a success or a failure until it is implemented and has been around a few years.
You are so full of pure sh't until you are a "Hazardous Waste Site" !!!!!!
This guy had this Bill drafted by a bunch of Retard Think Tank Types that are 20 Something Bean Counters ...
SO YES, THIS IS "IT'S" BILL !!!!!!!
Don't lay this crap off onto anyone as far as Authoring this garbage, it belongs to Barack Hussein Obama and his Little Gaggle of Children, all you lovers and the Ass Kissing Freaks in Congress have Adopted it and you can't tell me 10 Coherent things in this piece of Sh't Legislation that does not Conflict with 1000 other things in this 1200 Page Wrecking Ball for America.
Robert, if you are such a Couch Potato worthless hoot that you are dying for free Health Care, then CROSS THE BORDER INTO CANADA and HAVE A BALL SON !!!!!!
And I KNOW you have read all 1100+ Pages of this Bill and TOTALLY UNDERSTAND EACH and EVERY CONCEPT of IT ......
And NO, I haven't read it either, but I have researched enough of it to know it is pure Disconnected, Poly Lateral Sh'tsum.
.
Trippy, you are so hillarious. You are so far from reality it is quite pathetic really. "The party of no" is "the party of yes" when it comes to health industry bull**** and their money. I guess not living in the real world comes from your living in the deep south in Lousiana.
I totally give up on you Dude ..... if you don't want to help your self stay free and Non-Socialistic, then support these clowns to the death.
You are way way beyond repair Robert and you may get what you ask for, but don't ever ***** and moan about what you got.
You are saddling at least 1 Just Born and 2 Unborn Generations with this hostile never-ending debt and you are laughing your ass off about it.
And you say that I am the "Insane One" ... you are "Clinical Bud".
.
"We are becoming a socialist country". Just more rightwing scare tactic talking points.
(08-08-2009 01:34 PM)RobertN Wrote: I don't buy that anyone can know if something this complicated will be a success or a failure until it is implemented and has been around a few years.
It's real easy to look around the world and see what works and what doesn't. It's simple as pie to look at what government already has straped us with and see they just aren't any good at any thing. And it's insane to find what doesn't work and say "hey, why don't we try that sh!tty system?"
That's suppose to be Trip's and my secret.
"We are becoming a socialist country". Just more rightwing scare tactic talking points.