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Politico: Obama feeling the heat.
What happened to the transformational, "reach across the aisle" politics? Hope, Change? I think people are finally understanding the Emperor doesn't wear any clothes. And it only took 7 months.

Watch him revert to South Side Chicago Smash-Mouth Politics. He has lost his charm. As things get worse, he drops more in the polls and November 2010 will be black for the Democrats.


Ben Smith – Sun Jul 19, 8:03 am ET

Finally, we’re starting to see him sweat.

President Barack Obama made his personal icy cool the trademark of his campaign, the tenor of his White House and the hallmark of an early run of successes at home and abroad. But as the glamour wears off and a long, frustrating summer wears on, he is being forced to improvise — stooping to respond to political foes and adjusting his tactics and demeanor for the trench warfare of a legislative agenda.

The root of the change is one that faces every president: Economic and international realities that resist political charm. Iran and North Korea have shown no interest in the president’s outstretched hand. The economy has delivered a double-whammy, with rising unemployment stirring voters’ concerns while sluggish growth deprives the government of tax revenues Obama would like to spend on new programs.
Health care reform, which once appeared flush with momentum from earlier congressional victories, is now on a slog through no less than five committees, which include Democrats who either aren’t sold on Obama’s expansive vision or can’t figure out how to convince voters to pay for it.

“This is when it gets harder,” the president told supporters June 30.

And so it has.

In turn, Obama has adjusted, deviating from the playbook on every front.

The cool president has turned hot on the stump, stripping to shirtsleeves to lambaste doubters in New Jersey Thursday. He departed from his prepared remarks last week to accept a Republican challenge to take personal ownership of the economy: “That’s fine. Give it to me,” he said.

Even Obama's scripted speeches are deliberately more forceful, aggressive and direct in taking on critics, aides say. Friday remarks at the White House had a trash-talk edge – count me out and you’ll be sorry.

Obama’s political operation has dispensed with its post-inauguration cocktails for Republicans – or more often, ignoring them outright — in favor of the old politics of engage, attack and cajole. Obama’s even engaging in a little Democrat-on-Democrat politics, as his ex-campaign arm is beaming TV ads into the home states of moderate fence-sitters on health care.

The tightly programmed White House also is champing at the bit, kicking off what officials say will be a relentless three-week push on health care, starting with the hastily scheduled Friday address. But its first event might have backfired a bit. Its main consequence was proving that the magnetism of Obama’s personal appearances has worn off, as it drew little media attention and a dismissive tweet from the key Senate Republican, Chuck Grassley of Iowa: “Waste of time.”

The sum has been a new sense of uncertainty and strain, and a growing murmur among Democrats in Washington nervous about the White House’s tactics, and a rising tide of concern in the states as local Democratic parties eye midterm elections that are traditionally a challenge for a new president.

“That honeymoon period is over, “ said Chris Redfern, the chairman of the Ohio Democratic Party. “Now they’re having to push back, and push back hard.”

White House officials and allies brush off any notion that this new sense of unease is meaningful. The only true test, they say, will be results. Obama still might win major health care reform legislation this year that could be the most important new government program in decades. He has a fighting chance to pass regulations on greenhouse gases, in the form of a “cap and trade” mechanism, through the Senate. And Obama continues to press hard, if with no clear progress, for a breakthrough in the Middle East.

“It’s the third quarter, he’s down by a point, and he’s got his best player on the bench – what really is going to be important is the fall,” said James Carville, the veteran Democratic observer.

“If he gets what’s perceived to be some kind of a major health care thing, gets the climate bill through, if the economy recovers, then we’ll all say he had a hell of a summer. Conversely, if the thing falls apart, we’ll say that by July the 19th we could tell the thing was going bad.”


The most visible aspect of the White House’s new feistiness is an increasing willingness to engage Republican legislators whose criticisms Obama earlier had been happier to overlook. Relentless criticism of the stimulus package from a House Republican leader, Eric Cantor of Virginia, drew a furious barrage from the Democratic National Committee and a visit from no smaller figure than the Vice President of the United States. Rank and file Republicans who criticize the stimulus have also suddenly found themselves under a concerted DNC assault that asks if they’d prefer the federal funding left their districts out. And criticism from Sen Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) drew letters from no fewer than four Cabinet secretaries to his state’s governor, asking if she would prefer they withheld stimulus money.

Still, many Democrats say the Republican attacks on spending are taking their toll.

"The rhetoric is so empty, but it is fairly consistent and I think it’s had an impact on those in middle," said Ohio's Redfern.

But when the White House pushback focused not on Republicans but Democrats on health-care – in the form of Organizing for America ads running in the home states of moderate senators -- some in the party called foul, including Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.)

The vote last month in the House on the American Clean Energy Security Act showed a willingness to get White House hands dirty in a different way.

Wrangling votes for the “cap and trade” legislation in the House, Obama backed off a campaign promise to auction off all “allowances” – permits to release a set amount of greenhouse gases. Instead of selling them to raise money for other environmental initiatives, the White House allowed congressional Democratic leaders to trade them for votes, assigning allowances to the refinery-heavy district of, for instance, Texas Rep. Gene Green in exchange for his support.

The battle over health care, the centerpiece of the President’s summer, has also hardened into a fairly conventional Washington fight, a new president’s sweeping agenda colliding with congressional caution. Obscure Washington figures like Congressional Budget Office chief Doug Elmendorf and Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) have shown the ability to pose a real threat to the White House juggernaut. And some of the White House’s close allies have grown jittery about what they say is a strategy to spend the three weeks leading up to the Senate’s August recess – the insecure deadline for health care votes in both houses – with a series of events aimed at building public pressure on Congress.

“They’re great at campaigns, but legislative battles are different,” said a senior Democrat close to the White House. “It’s not about persuading 51 percent of the American people – it’s about seven senators.”

In another mark of Obama's constant adjustments, his latest remarks didn't mention the August deadline.

White House allies acknowledge the new strains, but say the hard work will pay off.

“A lot of the hard stuff he’s doing now will pay dividends,” said John Del Cecato, a former Obama campaign aide.

Meanwhile, admiration of Obama’s personal qualities has been tempered, even among sympathetic observers, with anxiety for where his agenda will stand at summer’s end.
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(07-19-2009 04:18 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Ben Smith Ben Smith – Sun Jul 19, 8:03 am ET
Finally, we’re starting to see him sweat.

President Barack Obama made his personal icy cool the trademark of his campaign, the tenor of his White House and the hallmark of an early run of successes at home and abroad. But as the glamour wears off and a long, frustrating summer wears on, he is being forced to improvise — stooping to respond to political foes and adjusting his tactics and demeanor for the trench warfare of a legislative agenda.

The root of the change is one that faces every president: Economic and international realities that resist political charm. Iran and North Korea have shown no interest in the president’s outstretched hand. The economy has delivered a double-whammy, with rising unemployment stirring voters’ concerns while sluggish growth deprives the government of tax revenues Obama would like to spend on new programs.
Health care reform, which once appeared flush with momentum from earlier congressional victories, is now on a slog through no less than five committees, which include Democrats who either aren’t sold on Obama’s expansive vision or can’t figure out how to convince voters to pay for it.

“This is when it gets harder,” the president told supporters June 30.

And so it has.

In turn, Obama has adjusted, deviating from the playbook on every front.

The cool president has turned hot on the stump, stripping to shirtsleeves to lambaste doubters in New Jersey Thursday. He departed from his prepared remarks last week to accept a Republican challenge to take personal ownership of the economy: “That’s fine. Give it to me,” he said.

Even Obama's scripted speeches are deliberately more forceful, aggressive and direct in taking on critics, aides say. Friday remarks at the White House had a trash-talk edge – count me out and you’ll be sorry.

Obama’s political operation has dispensed with its post-inauguration cocktails for Republicans – or more often, ignoring them outright — in favor of the old politics of engage, attack and cajole. Obama’s even engaging in a little Democrat-on-Democrat politics, as his ex-campaign arm is beaming TV ads into the home states of moderate fence-sitters on health care.

The tightly programmed White House also is champing at the bit, kicking off what officials say will be a relentless three-week push on health care, starting with the hastily scheduled Friday address. But its first event might have backfired a bit. Its main consequence was proving that the magnetism of Obama’s personal appearances has worn off, as it drew little media attention and a dismissive tweet from the key Senate Republican, Chuck Grassley of Iowa: “Waste of time.”

The sum has been a new sense of uncertainty and strain, and a growing murmur among Democrats in Washington nervous about the White House’s tactics, and a rising tide of concern in the states as local Democratic parties eye midterm elections that are traditionally a challenge for a new president.
“That honeymoon period is over, “ said Chris Redfern, the chairman of the Ohio Democratic Party. “Now they’re having to push back, and push back hard.”

White House officials and allies brush off any notion that this new sense of unease is meaningful. The only true test, they say, will be results. Obama still might win major health care reform legislation this year that could be the most important new government program in decades. He has a fighting chance to pass regulations on greenhouse gases, in the form of a “cap and trade” mechanism, through the Senate. And Obama continues to press hard, if with no clear progress, for a breakthrough in the Middle East.

“It’s the third quarter, he’s down by a point, and he’s got his best player on the bench – what really is going to be important is the fall,” said James Carville, the veteran Democratic observer.

“If he gets what’s perceived to be some kind of a major health care thing, gets the climate bill through, if the economy recovers, then we’ll all say he had a hell of a summer. Conversely, if the thing falls apart, we’ll say that by July the 19th we could tell the thing was going bad.”

White House Deputy Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer dismissed the suggestion that Obama should be expected to succeed effortlessly – or that he’s on a path toward failure on any of these varied fronts.

“Obama and his team have been down this road dozens of times and been declared dead many times and always succeeded,” he said. “No one gets rich betting against Barack Obama.”

The most visible aspect of the White House’s new feistiness is an increasing willingness to engage Republican legislators whose criticisms Obama earlier had been happier to overlook. Relentless criticism of the stimulus package from a House Republican leader, Eric Cantor of Virginia, drew a furious barrage from the Democratic National Committee and a visit from no smaller figure than the Vice President of the United States. Rank and file Republicans who criticize the stimulus have also suddenly found themselves under a concerted DNC assault that asks if they’d prefer the federal funding left their districts out. And criticism from Sen Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) drew letters from no fewer than four Cabinet secretaries to his state’s governor, asking if she would prefer they withheld stimulus money.

That pushback has been urged, and welcomed, by state leaders like Redfern and Michigan Democratic Party Chairman Mark Brewer.

“The DNC has been and we were quickly able to rebut and demonstrate all the money that is being spent in their respective districts,” said Brewer of two GOP congressmen attacking the stimulus. “They’ve backed off.”

Still, many Democrats say the Republican attacks on spending are taking their toll.

"The rhetoric is so empty, but it is fairly consistent and I think it’s had an impact on those in middle," said Ohio's Redfern.

But when the White House pushback focused not on Republicans but Democrats on health-care – in the form of Organizing for America ads running in the home states of moderate senators -- some in the party called foul, including Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.)

The vote last month in the House on the American Clean Energy Security Act showed a willingness to get White House hands dirty in a different way.

Wrangling votes for the “cap and trade” legislation in the House, Obama backed off a campaign promise to auction off all “allowances” – permits to release a set amount of greenhouse gases. Instead of selling them to raise money for other environmental initiatives, the White House allowed congressional Democratic leaders to trade them for votes, assigning allowances to the refinery-heavy district of, for instance, Texas Rep. Gene Green in exchange for his support.

The battle over health care, the centerpiece of the President’s summer, has also hardened into a fairly conventional Washington fight, a new president’s sweeping agenda colliding with congressional caution. Obscure Washington figures like Congressional Budget Office chief Doug Elmendorf and Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) have shown the ability to pose a real threat to the White House juggernaut. And some of the White House’s close allies have grown jittery about what they say is a strategy to spend the three weeks leading up to the Senate’s August recess – the insecure deadline for health care votes in both houses – with a series of events aimed at building public pressure on Congress.

“They’re great at campaigns, but legislative battles are different,” said a senior Democrat close to the White House. “It’s not about persuading 51 percent of the American people – it’s about seven senators.”

In another mark of Obama's constant adjustments, his latest remarks didn't mention the August deadline.

White House allies acknowledge the new strains, but say the hard work will pay off.

“A lot of the hard stuff he’s doing now will pay dividends,” said John Del Cecato, a former Obama campaign aide.

Meanwhile, admiration of Obama’s personal qualities has been tempered, even among sympathetic observers, with anxiety for where his agenda will stand at summer’s end.
It is about time he started telling the right to shut the **** up and got to work fixing the country.
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(07-19-2009 04:28 PM)RobertN Wrote:  It is about time he started telling the right to shut the **** up and got to work fixing the country.

It is the Right, the Left, & WE THE PEOPLE who are telling this Dope that WE DON'T WANT THIS CRAP and he is TOO STUPID TO HEAR IT.

And you little Twat, they are ALL Telling "HIM" to STFU and it is not a moment too soon.

I am so sick of Obama-Mania until it makes me want too puke.

He is going to show him self to be one who can not take Criticism of ANY KIND, Constructive or otherwise - - it is going to be the "Big Eared Babies Way OR NOTHING WAH WAH WAH".

He can't graciously LISTEN to WE THE PEOPLE and go from there - - he has to WIN AT ALL COST to show he is "THE OBMAMINATOR" and he is just a Simple Fool for trying this when everyone is Running and Ducking from this Socialistic Communist like he IS the Plague.

He is so Blinded by the Love of Him Self and this Fakey Ass False Love the People Laid on him during the "Honeymoon", that he still believes he is the Messiah and the 'god' they made him out to be ....

It must be a hard horrible thing to learn that you are just a regular old individual just like everyone else and not some Magical Necromancer like King Arthur's "Merlin".

He needs to Save Face and simply agree with the Voting Public that his "SPEND SPEND SPEND" Strategy is not what "WE THE PEOPLE want" and that he will do as we ask and take in back to the table and work on it until IT MAKES SOUND FISCAL SENSE.

But he is Too In Love With Him Self to do it this way and it is going to bite him in the Ass like a Rock Smasher.

YOUR Rock Star is Fading Robert ..... it must be just awful for you ..... 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao

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(07-19-2009 04:58 PM)Tripster Wrote:  
(07-19-2009 04:28 PM)RobertN Wrote:  It is about time he started telling the right to shut the **** up and got to work fixing the country.

It is the Right, the Left, & WE THE PEOPLE who are telling this Dope that WE DON'T WANT THIS CRAP and he is TOO STUPID TO HEAR IT.

And you little Twat, they are ALL Telling "HIM" to STFU and it is not a moment too soon.

I am so sick of Obama-Mania until it makes me want too puke.

He is going to show him self to be one who can not take Criticism of ANY KIND, Constructive or otherwise - - it is going to be the "Big Eared Babies Way OR NOTHING WAH WAH WAH".

He can't graciously LISTEN to WE THE PEOPLE and go from there - - he has to WIN AT ALL COST to show he is "THE OBMAMINATOR" and he is just a Simple Fool for trying this when everyone is Running and Ducking from this Socialistic Communist like he IS the Plague.

He is so Blinded by the Love of Him Self and this Fakey Ass False Love the People Laid on him during the "Honeymoon", that he still believes he is the Messiah and the 'god' they made him out to be ....

It must be a hard horrible thing to learn that you are just a regular old individual just like everyone else and not some Magical Necromancer like King Arthur's "Merlin".

He needs to Save Face and simply agree with the Voting Public that his "SPEND SPEND SPEND" Strategy is not what "WE THE PEOPLE want" and that he will do as we ask and take in back to the table and work on it until IT MAKES SOUND FISCAL SENSE.

But he is Too In Love With Him Self to do it this way and it is going to bite him in the Ass like a Rock Smasher.

YOUR Rock Star is Fading Robert ..... it must be just awful for you ..... 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao

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Most people want some sort of government insurance. It is only you psychotic rightwing warmongering idiots that don't like what he is doing. As I said, it is about time he stopped trying to work with the right and move the country ahead.
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(07-19-2009 05:06 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Most people want some sort of government insurance. It is only you psychotic rightwing warmongering idiots that don't like what he is doing. As I said, it is about time he stopped trying to work with the right and move the country ahead.

I have NEVER said to NOT FIX WHAT IS ALREADY BROKEN BEFORE YOU TOSS ANOTHER BROKEN $1.6 Tril Disaster onto us that WE have to pay for over the next 50 Years Robert.

You don't have to do this Sweeping Legislation that even has Criminal Penalties built in to punish people that won't "BUY" YOUR Governmental Ran Insurance ......

I mean think about it Dude !!!!! Medicare and Medicaid are BROKEN ... Social Security and SSI are Broken, the IRS is F'CKING Broken.

Fix your Broken House before you start tearing mine down and PUNISHING ME damm you Big Ears.

I am not against some sort of Health Care Reform, but not this Cat 6 Hurricane of a Disaster Obama is wanting to force onto us.

Fix the Broken stuff first, then we can talk ... I am NOT against Health Care Reform, just not this Communistic Socialistic Unfree VA Administrated type of Black Hole and for the Blacks that are offended by that remark like the Councilman was in BFE BFE, Science now has evidence of White Holes too !!!!!! and they are just as devastating.

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Quote:RobertN babbled this crap today:
Most people want some sort of government insurance. It is only you psychotic rightwing warmongering idiots that don't like what he is doing. As I said, it is about time he stopped trying to work with the right and move the country ahead.

No, most people don't want another sort of government theft. And he doesn't need the Republicans dolt. Pay attention numbnuts, IT'S HIS OWN PARTY THAT DOESN'T LIKE WHAT HE IS DOING. It's democrats who are opposing him. The republicans are a non issue. If health care reform doesn't pass, it will be because of democrats.
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(07-19-2009 05:52 PM)Tripster Wrote:  
(07-19-2009 05:06 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Most people want some sort of government insurance. It is only you psychotic rightwing warmongering idiots that don't like what he is doing. As I said, it is about time he stopped trying to work with the right and move the country ahead.

I have NEVER said to NOT FIX WHAT IS ALREADY BROKEN BEFORE YOU TOSS ANOTHER BROKEN $1.6 Tril Disaster onto us that WE have to pay for over the next 50 Years Robert.

You don't have to do this Sweeping Legislation that even has Criminal Penalties built in to punish people that won't "BUY" YOUR Governmental Ran Insurance ......

I mean think about it Dude !!!!! Medicare and Medicaid are BROKEN ... Social Security and SSI are Broken, the IRS is F'CKING Broken.

Fix your Broken House before you start tearing mine down and PUNISHING ME damm you Big Ears.

I am not against some sort of Health Care Reform, but not this Cat 6 Hurricane of a Disaster Obama is wanting to force onto us.

Fix the Broken stuff first, then we can talk ... I am NOT against Health Care Reform, just not this Communistic Socialistic Unfree VA Administrated type of Black Hole and for the Blacks that are offended by that remark like the Councilman was in BFE BFE, Science now has evidence of White Holes too !!!!!! and they are just as devastating.

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You mean like having to have supplemental insurance and no ability to negotiate drug prices? Those would be REPUBLICAN ideas on how to "fix" Medicare. The Republican way to fix social security is to either get rid of it or to invest individual accounts into the stock market(good thin we didn't do that, huh?). How about at least lifting the cap for a start? Or how about those of you that want to end SS just give up the rights to your money. Granted, it won't amount to much(only so many nutjobs out there) but it would be a start.
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(07-19-2009 05:06 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(07-19-2009 04:58 PM)Tripster Wrote:  
(07-19-2009 04:28 PM)RobertN Wrote:  It is about time he started telling the right to shut the **** up and got to work fixing the country.

It is the Right, the Left, & WE THE PEOPLE who are telling this Dope that WE DON'T WANT THIS CRAP and he is TOO STUPID TO HEAR IT.

And you little Twat, they are ALL Telling "HIM" to STFU and it is not a moment too soon.

I am so sick of Obama-Mania until it makes me want too puke.

He is going to show him self to be one who can not take Criticism of ANY KIND, Constructive or otherwise - - it is going to be the "Big Eared Babies Way OR NOTHING WAH WAH WAH".

He can't graciously LISTEN to WE THE PEOPLE and go from there - - he has to WIN AT ALL COST to show he is "THE OBMAMINATOR" and he is just a Simple Fool for trying this when everyone is Running and Ducking from this Socialistic Communist like he IS the Plague.

He is so Blinded by the Love of Him Self and this Fakey Ass False Love the People Laid on him during the "Honeymoon", that he still believes he is the Messiah and the 'god' they made him out to be ....

It must be a hard horrible thing to learn that you are just a regular old individual just like everyone else and not some Magical Necromancer like King Arthur's "Merlin".

He needs to Save Face and simply agree with the Voting Public that his "SPEND SPEND SPEND" Strategy is not what "WE THE PEOPLE want" and that he will do as we ask and take in back to the table and work on it until IT MAKES SOUND FISCAL SENSE.

But he is Too In Love With Him Self to do it this way and it is going to bite him in the Ass like a Rock Smasher.

YOUR Rock Star is Fading Robert ..... it must be just awful for you ..... 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao

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Most people want some sort of government insurance. It is only you psychotic rightwing warmongering idiots that don't like what he is doing. As I said, it is about time he stopped trying to work with the right and move the country ahead.

Show me. Show me in the Polls. Rasmussen, Real Clear Politics, etc. Show me where there is a Poll indicating that the sample favors the present legislation?

So far in reviewing surveys and polls I have discovered that people:

1. Are afraid of something being railroaded down their throats without sufficient time for study and debate, with a typical "midnight amendment". Obama says we have to do it NOW... just like his worthless Fing stimulus. Why can't he wait and take time to study and debate? ( I know why)

2. Don't understand the complexity of the "reform" and what it involves (20+ reglatory agencies being created), and how it impacts their present insurance plans.

3. By and large don't trust Congress and the Administration, because NOTHING they have passed so far seems to be working as promised/advertised.

4. Don't want to be taxed to death, and don't want to create an entitlement that will result in higher future taxes.

Answer that, jihadi.
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(07-19-2009 05:06 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Or how about those of you that want to end SS just give up the rights to your money.

What the hell is wrong with you? Serious question.
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(07-19-2009 06:46 PM)Paul M Wrote:  
(07-19-2009 05:06 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Or how about those of you that want to end SS just give up the rights to your money.

What the hell is wrong with you? Serious question.
Nothing. One platform on the Republican plate is to do away with "socialist" programs.
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(07-19-2009 04:28 PM)RobertN Wrote:  It is about time he started telling the right to shut the **** up and got to work fixing the country.

I don't think any of us are interested in being spayed or neutered.
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(07-19-2009 05:55 PM)Paul M Wrote:  
Quote:RobertN babbled this crap today:
Most people want some sort of government insurance. It is only you psychotic rightwing warmongering idiots that don't like what he is doing. As I said, it is about time he stopped trying to work with the right and move the country ahead.

No, most people don't want another sort of government theft. And he doesn't need the Republicans dolt. Pay attention numbnuts, IT'S HIS OWN PARTY THAT DOESN'T LIKE WHAT HE IS DOING. It's democrats who are opposing him. The republicans are a non issue. If health care reform doesn't pass, it will be because of democrats.
I am aware that there are some DINOs who are against it. They are generally from areas that are more republican in nature which don't want it. I am also aware that unlike the Republicans, the Democrats don't always vote in lock step with the party. They are more open to different ideas but not always of course.
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(07-19-2009 07:36 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(07-19-2009 06:46 PM)Paul M Wrote:  
(07-19-2009 05:06 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Or how about those of you that want to end SS just give up the rights to your money.

What the hell is wrong with you? Serious question.
Nothing. One platform on the Republican plate is to do away with "socialist" programs.

WE ARE "NOT" a Socialist Country Robert .... WE ARE A "REPUBLIC founded on the Principles of Democracy".

F'cking Russia, China, North Korea, South and Central America are "SOCIALIST" .....

Did you go to any school at all ????? I mean even Kindergarten ????

Get a Real Life and them MOVE to one of these "Socialist Nations", live there for 10 Years, then come back and tell us HOW LIFE WAS THERE.

You are a Total Blithering Fool for wanting this Nation to turn Socialistic Communistic from a Democratic Free Republic ....

YOU are a Water-Headed Retard Robert !!!!!!!!

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