I'm for sending RobertN to Mars

btw, haven't we said "To Mars in 30 years" atleast twice now, early 90's and around 2004? I could see Obama going for this and trying to get compared to JFK by MSM in process leading into election.

I think we need to get the economy straight before we borrow anymore money

The dollars required to go back to the moon, or even to Mars, are a drop in the bucket compared to what we are wasting all over the place.

The benefits derived in the form of technological advances will more than pay for the cost. At a point in time where one key to future economic competitiveness--perhaps even survival--is technological advantage, space exploration might hold more promise for future economic growth than any other possible expenditure of funds.

How 'bout we go back to capitalism first?

(07-18-2009 02:36 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-18-2009 02:32 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(07-18-2009 01:53 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-18-2009 11:18 AM)Artifice Wrote:  I support the space program in general mostly due to my curiosity but also because of the byproduct technological advances.

Mars though. Pit stop at the moon.

I just hope we don't make space a war zone(like Bush wanted). I hope it can be preserved(as much as possible) to be open to all.

So you want space to be under military rule? Figures. Prowar/prokilling people on Earth would be the same way in space I guess.

We have the moral authority. We're the freest country on Earth. ....for now. Why else do you think people come here, dipsh1t? Why do you think people risk their lives to get here on anything they can muster up from a country you probably think is a model government, I.e. Cuba?

Moral relativity. You'll never get it. You're a liberal. We should control space. Every Gdamn place we took over is now in their hands and are considered free and prosperous. How's Japan doing? Germany? South Korea? Iraq?

(07-20-2009 11:40 PM)Rebel Wrote:  How 'bout we go back to capitalism first?

No argument from me on that.

(07-18-2009 01:53 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-18-2009 11:18 AM)Artifice Wrote:  I support the space program in general mostly due to my curiosity but also because of the byproduct technological advances.

Mars though. Pit stop at the moon.

I just hope we don't make space a war zone(like Bush wanted). I hope it can be preserved(as much as possible) to be open to all.

Tranquility Bay ... Classic. I'm all for funding spaceflight for 1.2 billion people. I'm not so interested in paying for that many space suits.

I don't think it's worth paying for manned space flight on that magnitude. I'd rather see the money spent for research, but the classic argument is that the research $$ don't come unless you have the space cowboys.

I can see it now.

The left objects to space exploration because we might contaminate dead planets with bacteria.

Rocks have Rights! Keep the Moon People Free! Keep your Human Bacteria off that Dead Planet! No Blood for Minerals! Bush Lied, Planet Died!

(07-21-2009 02:50 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I can see it now.

The left objects to space exploration because we might contaminate dead planets with bacteria.

Rocks have Rights! Keep the Moon People Free! Keep your Human Bacteria off that Dead Planet! No Blood for Minerals! Bush Lied, Planet Died!

What about our contribution to galactic warming?

They like the word universal, so universal warming.

Radiation contamination.

(07-21-2009 02:50 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I can see it now.

The left objects to space exploration because we might contaminate dead planets with bacteria.

You do realize virtually everything we send into space is built in a clean room for that very reason, dont you? The Outer Space Treaty of 1967 established these guidelines. It also help ensures that any future detections of extraterrestrial life are not false positives.

I dont object to space travel because we might contaminate. But that dosent mean its not something to be concerned about. Likewise, you have to be very concerned about bringing something back from another planet that we have absolutely no resistance to.

I doubt they would increase NASA's budget so the money would come from many other NASA projects. I'm not sure it's worth it since you can do quite a few various space projects that span a wide breadth of knowledge, for the same money as one manned trip. As someone interested in Astronomy, I'd like to see us go to Mars - pretty expensive though, at a time when we have huge debts (and at a time when we're not willing to cut the budget anywhere). And it's easier to say you're not going to Mars than to say you're going to shut down community services that poor people rely on. I don't think it makes sense to go back to the moon again. And I don't think they've figured out how to shield the astronauts from high energy cosmic rays yet, and it's a concern when you're in space for months at a time.

So, Moon? No.
Mars? Maybe.

I'm all for space travel. Go gather the capital..build the crafts and have at it!! Hell, I might even decide to be an investor...Just stop stealing from me...I'm tapped out.

(07-21-2009 05:07 PM)niuhuskie84 Wrote:  

(07-21-2009 02:50 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I can see it now.

The left objects to space exploration because we might contaminate dead planets with bacteria.

You do realize virtually everything we send into space is built in a clean room for that very reason, dont you? The Outer Space Treaty of 1967 established these guidelines. It also help ensures that any future detections of extraterrestrial life are not false positives.

You ever been in a NASA clean room?

The largest clean room in the world, at GSFC, has birds living in it.

And that doesn't even count the freakish mutant molds that manage to live in space

http://www.lauralee.com/news/moldfood.htm

(07-21-2009 05:07 PM)niuhuskie84 Wrote:  

(07-21-2009 02:50 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I can see it now.

The left objects to space exploration because we might contaminate dead planets with bacteria.

You do realize virtually everything we send into space is built in a clean room for that very reason, dont you? The Outer Space Treaty of 1967 established these guidelines. It also help ensures that any future detections of extraterrestrial life are not false positives.

I dont object to space travel because we might contaminate. But that dosent mean its not something to be concerned about. Likewise, you have to be very concerned about bringing something back from another planet that we have absolutely no resistance to.

I do understand. Just poking a little fun. However as soon as humans hit any extrasolara planet in any sort of volume, there will be inadvertant releases of biotic materials. It's simply inevitable.