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Boehner's Chart: Democrat Run Healthcare - Yikes!

Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:00 AM

By: Kenneth D. Williams

House Minority Leader Rep. John Boehner is warning that if Democrats get their healthcare plan passed, it will be a job-killing, bureaucratic nightmare.


He has released this chart to illustrate his point (click on the chart for a larger version):

[Image: Dem_Healthcare.jpg]

Boehner goes further on his House Web site with this press release:

Democrats are singing their same old tune, “tax the rich” to pay for their government takeover of health care. But small business owners pay their businesses’ taxes on their individual tax returns (as opposed to the corporate income tax). So the Democrats’ bill places a new and stifling tax – up to an additional 5.4 percent – on the engine of economic growth in our economy: small businesses. In a deep recession and nearing double-digit unemployment, that’s the last thing our country needs.


As reported in The Detroit Free Press, among others, House Republicans made clear that a small business tax will cost jobs and hurt our economy:


“‘During a deep economic recession, it is criminal malpractice for Democrats to push a government takeover of health care and a new small-business tax that will destroy more American jobs,’ House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, said in a statement.”


The National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB) commissioned a survey of small business owners with total household income likely in excess of $250,000 and found that the more employees a firm had the more likely it was to be affected.


In other words, the Democratic small business tax doesn’t hit every small business, it targets those with the most employees. That is bad news for the 33.5 million workers – 28 percent of the private-sector workforce - employed by small businesses with 20 – 299 employees. These employers added more than 2 million jobs between 2001 to 2006; jobs directly threatened by this tax hike.



The Democrats’ Talking Points Miss the Point – It’s About Jobs



Proponents of the small business tax will argue that relatively few small businesses will be impacted by this tax increase. But the point isn’t the number of small businesses – it’s the number of jobs.



According to data compiled by the Tax Policy Center from IRS data, 50.3 percent of all filers in the top bracket (with income over $372,950) earn at least 25 percent of their income from business activities. Proponents of this tax increase deliberately use estimates of a relatively small number of firms impacted to hide the negative impact of this tax hike on jobs. Both NFIB and the National Association of Manufacturers (NAM) have proven that these low estimates are misleading. NFIB tax counsel Bill Rys said, “The businesses that are most likely to be hit by this tax increase employ about a quarter of the U.S. work force.” And, according to NAM’s data, 196,000 manufacturers – a full 68 percent of all American manufacturers – file taxes as individuals; these taxpayers had an average taxable of income well above $250,000, suggesting a large negative impact on manufacturers as well.



Small business owners strive to make investments to grow their businesses and hire new workers. The Democrats’ newly proposed small business tax, however, will prove to be a small business sucker punch that stifles economic growth and kills jobs.
07-15-2009 09:30 AM
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Looks like a friggin' mobo schematic.
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You can just see the cost savings everywhere!
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Shouldn't there be a giant cemetary right in the middle of the chart for all those denied care due to age or slipping through one of the many cracks?

I see something like this and the only conclusion I can come to is that there is no reason why we should do this to ourselves or let it be done to us.
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TheDancinMonarch Wrote:Shouldn't there be a giant cemetary right in the middle of the chart for all those denied care due to age or slipping through one of the many cracks?

D@mn. Sad, but true.

There should probably also be a calendar to signify the amount of time you will have to wait for care.
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(07-15-2009 09:30 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Boehner's Chart: Democrat Run Healthcare - Yikes!

Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:00 AM

By: Kenneth D. Williams

House Minority Leader Rep. John Boehner is warning that if Democrats get their healthcare plan passed, it will be a job-killing, bureaucratic nightmare.


He has released this chart to illustrate his point (click on the chart for a larger version):

[Image: Dem_Healthcare.jpg]

Boehner goes further on his House Web site with this press release:

Democrats are singing their same old tune, “tax the rich” to pay for their government takeover of health care. But small business owners pay their businesses’ taxes on their individual tax returns (as opposed to the corporate income tax). So the Democrats’ bill places a new and stifling tax – up to an additional 5.4 percent – on the engine of economic growth in our economy: small businesses. In a deep recession and nearing double-digit unemployment, that’s the last thing our country needs.


As reported in The Detroit Free Press, among others, House Republicans made clear that a small business tax will cost jobs and hurt our economy:


“‘During a deep economic recession, it is criminal malpractice for Democrats to push a government takeover of health care and a new small-business tax that will destroy more American jobs,’ House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, said in a statement.”


The National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB) commissioned a survey of small business owners with total household income likely in excess of $250,000 and found that the more employees a firm had the more likely it was to be affected.


In other words, the Democratic small business tax doesn’t hit every small business, it targets those with the most employees. That is bad news for the 33.5 million workers – 28 percent of the private-sector workforce - employed by small businesses with 20 – 299 employees. These employers added more than 2 million jobs between 2001 to 2006; jobs directly threatened by this tax hike.



The Democrats’ Talking Points Miss the Point – It’s About Jobs



Proponents of the small business tax will argue that relatively few small businesses will be impacted by this tax increase. But the point isn’t the number of small businesses – it’s the number of jobs.



According to data compiled by the Tax Policy Center from IRS data, 50.3 percent of all filers in the top bracket (with income over $372,950) earn at least 25 percent of their income from business activities. Proponents of this tax increase deliberately use estimates of a relatively small number of firms impacted to hide the negative impact of this tax hike on jobs. Both NFIB and the National Association of Manufacturers (NAM) have proven that these low estimates are misleading. NFIB tax counsel Bill Rys said, “The businesses that are most likely to be hit by this tax increase employ about a quarter of the U.S. work force.” And, according to NAM’s data, 196,000 manufacturers – a full 68 percent of all American manufacturers – file taxes as individuals; these taxpayers had an average taxable of income well above $250,000, suggesting a large negative impact on manufacturers as well.



Small business owners strive to make investments to grow their businesses and hire new workers. The Democrats’ newly proposed small business tax, however, will prove to be a small business sucker punch that stifles economic growth and kills jobs.
THe current system(non-government) is not any better-just not government based. If government insurance sucks, why does the insurance industry fear it?
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(07-15-2009 10:27 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  Shouldn't there be a giant cemetary right in the middle of the chart for all those denied care due to age or slipping through one of the many cracks?

I see something like this and the only conclusion I can come to is that there is no reason why we should do this to ourselves or let it be done to us.
Go ahead, make yourself look like an idiot(well, not to your Republican friends but everyone else). How many people die because insurance companies deny a tretment? Heck, even deny insurance? No different.
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(07-15-2009 11:15 AM)RobertN Wrote:  THe current system(non-government) is not any better-just not government based. If government insurance sucks, why does the insurance industry fear it?

Can someone with at least one more brain cell explain to this fool how the private industry must operate in the black while the government can operate in the red forever, making us pay for all that ****?

Robert, you do your alma mater no favor claiming it.
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(07-15-2009 11:18 AM)RobertN Wrote:  
(07-15-2009 10:27 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  Shouldn't there be a giant cemetary right in the middle of the chart for all those denied care due to age or slipping through one of the many cracks?

I see something like this and the only conclusion I can come to is that there is no reason why we should do this to ourselves or let it be done to us.
Go ahead, make yourself look like an idiot(well, not to your Republican friends but everyone else). How many people die because insurance companies deny a tretment? Heck, even deny insurance? No different.

You think people won't die with a government system? You ARE a f'n idiot. Google N.I.C.E. and it's job within the UK's healthcare system.

You're a dolt.
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(07-15-2009 11:18 AM)RobertN Wrote:  
(07-15-2009 10:27 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  Shouldn't there be a giant cemetary right in the middle of the chart for all those denied care due to age or slipping through one of the many cracks?

I see something like this and the only conclusion I can come to is that there is no reason why we should do this to ourselves or let it be done to us.
Go ahead, make yourself look like an idiot(well, not to your Republican friends but everyone else). How many people die because insurance companies deny a tretment? Heck, even deny insurance? No different.

What an insurance company does is one thing. When the same thing is done as part of national policy it is quite different. Will you feel better (not in a medical sense) if you are denied care by your government? And oh by the way, I do appreciate the personal attacks.
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http://www.health.gov.on.ca/transformati...index.html

Check this out Robert. Real numbers straight from the province of Ontario's mouth. Just click on wait times. And believe me, I love Canada with all of my heart and probably would've never moved back to America in 9th grade if it wasn't for my dad's two year wait for a hernia surgery when it only took three days to get it done at Pitt Memorial. Just think about that.
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