T Won1 Wrote:Bush's tax cuts resulted in an increase in government tax revenue. Bush's problem was spending too much of the government's money... mostly in his Prescription Drug program and the war.

Clinton had a surplus because he taxed the $h!t out of us!!

Yes, Bush was a liberal spender well before the first round of bailouts. Also, Clinton achieved a surplus thanks to a conservative Congress that kept him on a short leash. If he had a Congress like Obama does, he would have spent like a drunken sailor, too.

(07-14-2009 09:37 AM)Sophandros Wrote:  The partisan hacks on both sides do nothing but help to maintain the status quo and divert attention from the real problems that we are facing.

As long as middle class people are fighting amongst themselves over trivial things that really don't impact their lives, then the ruling elite will maintain their control over everything.

Divide and conquer; keep them divided and you will keep them conquered.

Just feel like bumping my own post in response to the crap we see here.

(07-13-2009 08:51 PM)vnork Wrote:  Yeah the economy isn't in terribly good shape right now. But, do you really think unemployment would be lower with McCain as president? If McCain had won last November, we'd probably be bashing him for not doing enough and causing unemployment to rise above 10%.

Whoever won the last election was basically screwed, because the economy had no chance of recovering before late 2009, and whatever party in opposition to the president would inherit a year of a political goldmine of easy cheap shots.

Here in the USA, the state of our economy is actually a lot better off than many countries, especially in Europe, and many current forecasts predict that our economy will recover faster than almost anywhere else. I think the wheels of the economy have far too much momentum for any one president to make any type of difference in 6 months.

It's funny, as soon as someone slams Obama, someone else always says...He is better than McCain.

Well newsflash Mr. Assumption....I left the Republican party becuase they nominated McCain and also because Bush turned into a big governement buffoon. I realized at that time that the Republicans had dropped to the intellectual level of the democrats. I could not and would not support John McCain and I still don't.

My point about the unemployment numbers was that, IIRC, Obama came out saying that if we didn't do the stimulus package our unemployment numbers would be "X" within 6 months. Well, we still hit "X" with the stimulus package, so he or his advisors look pretty stupid. Of course Obama supporters still see him as the savior of this country even though he can't get anything right.

(07-14-2009 10:10 AM)Sophandros Wrote:  

(07-14-2009 09:37 AM)Sophandros Wrote:  The partisan hacks on both sides do nothing but help to maintain the status quo and divert attention from the real problems that we are facing.

As long as middle class people are fighting amongst themselves over trivial things that really don't impact their lives, then the ruling elite will maintain their control over everything.

Divide and conquer; keep them divided and you will keep them conquered.

Just feel like bumping my own post in response to the crap we see here.

I agree with you about the partisan hacks.

(07-14-2009 10:10 AM)Sophandros Wrote:  

(07-14-2009 09:37 AM)Sophandros Wrote:  The partisan hacks on both sides do nothing but help to maintain the status quo and divert attention from the real problems that we are facing.

As long as middle class people are fighting amongst themselves over trivial things that really don't impact their lives, then the ruling elite will maintain their control over everything.

Divide and conquer; keep them divided and you will keep them conquered.

Just feel like bumping my own post in response to the crap we see here.

Couldn't agree with you more.

Employment is a lagging, not leading, economic indicator.

With that said, the "stimulus" was nothing more than welfare for the States who were just as unprepared as the rest of the sorry government for this crisis. Welfare which is/was just buying time.

If the economy can't get its own dick outta the dirt this time then Obama's hype will amount to nothing more than two tears in a rainstorm.

(07-13-2009 09:37 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(07-13-2009 09:14 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  This country wanted change, well they got it.

No, we did NOT get change. Obama wasn't the CHANGE candidate. No one in last election was a CHANGE candidate. The last CHANGE candidate was H. Ross Perot in the 1992 election.

The death of this country will be partisan politics. Political parties work towards their own selfish ends instead of doing what is best for America.

Three quotes from George Washington's Farewell Address:

Quote:I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the state, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party, generally.

Quote:The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty.
The common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

Quote:It serves always to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration. It agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection.

George Washington was very prophetic with this. We have strayed far off the path that the founders set us out on. A lot of it is due to our elected officials belief that they are in Washington to represent their respective party or the folks who funded their campaign instead of their constituency. Cap and Trade, government health care, and corporate bail outs all fly in the face of what this country was founded on.

(07-14-2009 02:55 PM)BlazingGoat Wrote:  Employment is a lagging, not leading, economic indicator.

With that said, the "stimulus" was nothing more than welfare for the States who were just as unprepared as the rest of the sorry government for this crisis. Welfare which is/was just buying time.

If the economy can't get its own dick outta the dirt this time then Obama's hype will amount to nothing more than two tears in a rainstorm.

+1 Wait til the city and state governments start laying off people from those good jobs.

(07-14-2009 07:50 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(07-13-2009 10:22 PM)3drain Wrote:  It took 8 years to get into this mess. I think it's gonna take longer than 6 months to get out. Un employment will be the last to recover. C'mon people think. Instead of listening to all the liberal and conservative talk shows do some reading.

This mess started more than 8 years ago. Here's some reading for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act

Credit goes to talk radio for exposing the truth.

I think that pretty much prove's my point right there.

How many times have you ever seen the Government do it right.

Can someone do the adult thing and send this thread to the smack board and get it off the SPORTS BOARD. This thread will only piss off people and bring out the internet tough guys

There is a forum for threads like this. It's separate from the sports boards for a reason.

http://www.ncaabbs.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=540

(07-14-2009 09:11 AM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(07-13-2009 08:02 PM)shyminer Wrote:  didn't vote for him, so the hype was just that hype... I guess when he flops the REP, will be ready to take over??? sad really. He is a great speaker, but doesn't seem to be able to lead the Nation, just like Clinton left his mess...

"Clinton left his mess"....

WTF are you talking about????

The "mess" that Obama is dealing with is from George W. Bush

No the banking mess is leftover from the Clinton adm. Clinton lowered reserve capital requirments for banks and made it easier for banks to cross state lines. Along with easing the restrictions on mortgage rules which resulted in 120% and 100% financing options that have ended up in the foreclosure mess we have today.

The 8k tax credit is not stimulating the housing market as hoped either. People are still scared and have been for well over a year.

Things would be much different today if we had not had $4 a gallon gas a year ago, dont forget that.

(07-14-2009 05:43 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(07-14-2009 09:11 AM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(07-13-2009 08:02 PM)shyminer Wrote:  didn't vote for him, so the hype was just that hype... I guess when he flops the REP, will be ready to take over??? sad really. He is a great speaker, but doesn't seem to be able to lead the Nation, just like Clinton left his mess...

"Clinton left his mess"....

WTF are you talking about????

The "mess" that Obama is dealing with is from George W. Bush

No the banking mess is leftover from the Clinton adm. Clinton lowered reserve capital requirments for banks and made it easier for banks to cross state lines. Along with easing the restrictions on mortgage rules which resulted in 120% and 100% financing options that have ended up in the foreclosure mess we have today.

The 8k tax credit is not stimulating the housing market as hoped either. People are still scared and have been for well over a year.

Things would be much different today if we had not had $4 a gallon gas a year ago, dont forget that.

I'm in the real estate industry, and you're dead on re: Clinton, especially regarding easing restrictions on mortgage rules, which were previously eased by Jimmy Carter (and look what happened after that - Google "Savings and Loan Crisis").

That being said, the runaway spending with little to no tangible benefit during the Bush administration (and almost every post-Civil War administration) did not help matters any. Government spending is out of control, and it cannot be reigned in so long as the two parties continue to work towards their own selfish goals rather than for the good of the American people.

It is time for us to no longer have official political parties. You don't see "NRA" or "Greenpeace" on any election ballot, so why do you see "Republican" or "Democrat?"

What were you guys saying? I forgot.

What's with all the posts saying it takes longer than six months for Obamas BS to have any effect? He's had a massive effect already. It takes time to see an effect? I suggest you open you eyes and take a look around. You think just repeting this "it take time" mantra is going to give you time to create the next big bogus kiss Obamas ass slogan? Maybe something along the lines of "It's working" when unemployment hits 14 percent?