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Is the shine off of the penny?
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RE: Is the shine off of the penny?
back to reflecting the Nov. popular vote, the underlying numbers(-5) spells future doom on the overall number.

It will be interesting to see if this causes Obama to be pragmatic and pull off the liberal/insane lever like Clinton or not? If he does, would his base bounce on him? Of course given he's advanced most all of bush's terror policies(escalating and going beyond on some) they went nuts over and for which Obama was suppose to be their savior from it makes you wonder if anything can peel that support away.

60 Democrat seats with Al Franken being the face of it could be the doom of Obama. Though the MSM will do all they can to thwart that.
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Personally I'd love to see an Obama - Franken spat. They could charge admission for that.
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RE: Is the shine off of the penny?
Now, I haven't been around long enough to notice any trend, but it seems more folks are saying they LOVE or HATE a president.

I don't see much in between. Is this a new thing? Caused by the media? or is it just that we are choosing presidents that very quickly move to the far right/left.

Are people just getting pissed about one certain issue? a certain failed campaign promise maybe? (are there more campaign promises that aren't fulfilled than in the past?)
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RE: Is the shine off of the penny?
Its partly a Cultural Civil War

Secular Humanism vs. Traditional Judeo-Christian foundations

all downhill after the Secular Humanist tookover Hollywood and Academia in the 60's. It creates an interesting paradox though, voters want Socialism(though we can't call it that) but then they don't want to pay for it at same time(or we can't or they don't like the negative effects of paying for it)
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(07-08-2009 02:36 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  I don't see much in between. Is this a new thing? Caused by the media?

I think it's caused by the media. People just spout off cliches "Change we need" w/ no clue as to what should be changed, or why.

Many young people had never even seen a recession, let alone a severe one. How would they know what change could/would bring?

They hear 44M people w/o health insurance, and never dig deeper, is it true? who does that include? how'd it get this way. They just believe that's some sort of national tragedy that the gov't should solve.
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RE: Is the shine off of the penny?
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When all of those MSM and Cable Pundits sent people out on the Streets and to Voting Stations to ask the "Politically Enriched and Intellectually Endowed Crowd" how they liked Sarah Palin as Barack Obama's VP running mate, THEY ALL LOVED HER.

Now homez, if you don't know who your next Presidents VP Running Mate is and you are standing in line to Vote, you need to be vaporized on the spot.

And this is why we get a Barack Hussein Obama as our Fearful Leader ... from Raw Stupidity.

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(07-08-2009 02:36 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  Now, I haven't been around long enough to notice any trend, but it seems more folks are saying they LOVE or HATE a president.

I don't see much in between.

I'm one of those few in-betweeners, at least for now. Without going into detail, there are some things he's done thus far that I've approved of and some things I've disapproved of.
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RE: Is the shine off of the penny?
One of my neighbors who voted for Obama admitted that he was shocked at how far left Obama has gone. He remarked that "change" is one thing, but he didn't say he was going to "change everything."

In response to the thread title... The shine won't come off the penny as long as Obama has the mainstream media in his back pocket, as they will spin and discredit the Rasmussen Poll results. But I think everyone realizes that the penny is starting to get dull, which is BAD NEWS for Pelosi, Reid and the Democrats next year.
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(07-08-2009 06:52 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(07-08-2009 02:36 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  I don't see much in between. Is this a new thing? Caused by the media?

I think it's caused by the media. People just spout off cliches "Change we need" w/ no clue as to what should be changed, or why.

Many young people had never even seen a recession, let alone a severe one. How would they know what change could/would bring?

They hear 44M people w/o health insurance, and never dig deeper, is it true? who does that include? how'd it get this way. They just believe that's some sort of national tragedy that the gov't should solve.


alot of the time I think the MSM/Hollywood were conservative it would drastically change our politics for those reasons, but its speculation.

young people today, also have no concept of how dangerous the world is historically and came of age after the Cold War. A recent poll showed that a huge percentage of the under 30 Demo do not beleive in "Peace through Strength"

the Education system plays a role in this too, along with the Media.
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Quote: young people today, also have no concept of how dangerous the world is historically and came of age after the Cold War. A recent poll showed that a huge percentage of the under 30 Demo do not believe in "Peace through Strength"

These poor ignorant young people have never dealt with the kinds of Murderers I have dealt with to be able to actually and truly believe this BS.

When they are at the hands of a Hating Enemy, or a Burris, or a Robert Willie, or some of the other Murderer(s) that love to hear you beg and beg and beg as they torture you to death over a period of hours or days even - - then if Strength is not what we need to stop Insane Serial Murdering Sociopaths like Bin Laden and his kind ... WTF is ???

Then what do we need in our Arsenal that will stop these people ??? a "TELEPROMPTER" ??? The "SCUD TELEPROMPTER" .... 03-melodramatic

No amount of Begging, Praying, Crying, Appeasing, Apologizing stops them - - so Please tell me what we need to do with Despot Murderers who HAVE NO FEELINGS or ANY MORAL CONSCIOUSNESS about Taking Life or causing another Human Being to Suffer so horribly, a Brainwashed Regular Person just can not fathom or understand that these people are REALLY Real.

It must be like a Boogie Man Under the Bed or in the Closet sort of thing that one grows out of and can not believe such a murdering whore like Bin Laden exist.

Unreal how we have Dumbed Our Children Down so badly, that they will Cast Away Our Security so Frivolously ....

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(07-09-2009 08:31 AM)GGniner Wrote:  
(07-08-2009 06:52 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(07-08-2009 02:36 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  I don't see much in between. Is this a new thing? Caused by the media?

I think it's caused by the media. People just spout off cliches "Change we need" w/ no clue as to what should be changed, or why.

Many young people had never even seen a recession, let alone a severe one. How would they know what change could/would bring?

They hear 44M people w/o health insurance, and never dig deeper, is it true? who does that include? how'd it get this way. They just believe that's some sort of national tragedy that the gov't should solve.


alot of the time I think the MSM/Hollywood were conservative it would drastically change our politics for those reasons, but its speculation.

young people today, also have no concept of how dangerous the world is historically and came of age after the Cold War. A recent poll showed that a huge percentage of the under 30 Demo do not beleive in "Peace through Strength"

the Education system plays a role in this too, along with the Media.

No doubt public schools play a huge part of this. If they really taught "tolerance" then they'd approach a controversial issue w/ no bias, they'd would discuss it. They'd refuse to accept yelling and name-calling as part of the discussion. They'd use the Socratic method and other techniques to come up w/ logical, rational pros and cons to a position, and then offer some evidence (historical, scientific, etc) to the best of their ability to teach the truth not what they want to be the truth. They may even do some experiments (i.e. role play communism) to further research the issue.

This would do a number of positive of things. First, it would teach kids how to be truly tolerant. Second, it would teach them how to seek truth for themselves. Third, the teachers and students might even discover some truths for themselves. Finally, we as a society would get genuinely educated kids coming into the system.
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Quote:The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 30% of the nation’s voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-eight percent (38%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of –8. The President’s Approval Index rating has fallen six points since release of a disappointing jobs report last week (see trends).

jumped 3 points overnight...timber..
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(07-09-2009 08:22 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  But I think everyone realizes that the penny is starting to get dull, which is BAD NEWS for Pelosi, Reid and the Democrats next year.

I have my doubts about whether Pelosi and Reid view this as bad news. They govern like there is no tomorrow, and IMHO, they are built to lead minority parties. This could only be bad news to them if they were prepared to be accountable, and I don't think they have the fortitude to be held accountable for their actions and policies. So, it may be bad news to the clueless, but I suspect it will be welcome relief to the inmates in charge of the asylum.
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