.

Coldest Winter in the Bering Sea in over 30 Years.

Ice Pack was worse, Faster Moving, and Moved Farther than it has in around 60 Years.

I was just bumping around the TV channels and I caught this info on one of my Surfing Stops.

And who said these things ??? Al Gore, Sarah Palin, Barack Obama ????

NO !!!!

The "Captains of the Boats" on the TV Series "Deadliest Catch".

But since they rely on this Weather and they stay updated as to what it is doing and why, they really wouldn't have a clue would they ????

I mean in some cases they are just risking a Few Hundred Thousand Dollars in Equipment and if caught in a Heavy Ice Pack Flow, or just risking the lives of their Crew, Themselves, and their Million Dollar Boats.

What to they know right ????

A lot of Global Warming and Polar Bears Dying up there were there is No Cold and No Ice HUH ????

Yet we need Cap & Crap like Yesterday ... man this is just STUPID !!!!!

.

its about to get hot again though, Sun Spot activity has jump-started(this is the likely true cause of "global warming" and the recent "Global cooling")


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530275,00.html

interesting part:

Quote:All this matters because, as laid out in a report earlier this year by the National Academy of Sciences, a major solar storm nowadays could cause up to $2 trillion in initial damages by crippling communications on Earth and fueling chaos among residents and even governments in a scenario that would require four to 10 years for recovery.

Such a storm struck in 1859, knocking out telegraph communications and causing those lines to erupt in flames. The world then was not so dependent on electronic communication systems, however.

God said no more floods and promised Fire next time. IF this happens again, mass chaos and war breaks out, martial law. Most in the cities would die most likely, given they are completely dependent on Farmers and transportation in the rural areas.

that said, I don't think this will happen

I don't think I be a good greenhorn. I don't follow shouted instructions too well.....

(07-08-2009 10:00 AM)GGniner Wrote:  its about to get hot again though, Sun Spot activity has jump-started(this is the likely true cause of "global warming" and the recent "Global cooling")

There are almost always some sort of sun spot activity... they just hit a very big "low point" this time around, most in about 100 years. The spots are just beginning the new cycle but won't hit their maximum for quite a while.

A massive change in the suns magnetic fields could tear the world's power grids to the ground. The sun has switched polarity before and she will do it again.

(07-08-2009 01:22 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  A massive change in the suns magnetic fields could tear the world's power grids to the ground.

That's fine. Don't we need a "smarter" one anyways?

The so-called "smart grids" are more efficient, but they also add a lot more risk just on a normal solar storm, not even a huge change like Sum mentioned. We currently "ground" a lot of the electricity generated and during huge storms even more is grounded. This protects transformers and electronics in houses.... you get too efficient and you risk the high end transformers that are located in the substations. Generally each area has a very limited number of spares of these because they cost upwards of $100K (and they take months to get delivered after placing an order). If we get too efficient and have a large solar storm, knocking out a bunch of these transformers, it could be months before the grid gets back online due to the lack of spares.

(07-08-2009 02:44 PM)mlb Wrote:  The so-called "smart grids" are more efficient, but they also add a lot more risk just on a normal solar storm, not even a huge change like Sum mentioned. We currently "ground" a lot of the electricity generated and during huge storms even more is grounded. This protects transformers and electronics in houses.... you get too efficient and you risk the high end transformers that are located in the substations. Generally each area has a very limited number of spares of these because they cost upwards of $100K (and they take months to get delivered after placing an order). If we get too efficient and have a large solar storm, knocking out a bunch of these transformers, it could be months before the grid gets back online due to the lack of spares.

Ding,
Ding,
Ding,
Ding,
Ding,
Ding,
Ding,

BINGO

Our electrical infrastructure is fragile. Again Nature's fury could devastate people around the world. .

(07-08-2009 10:00 AM)GGniner Wrote:  its about to get hot again though, Sun Spot activity has jump-started(this is the likely true cause of "global warming" and the recent "Global cooling")

Exactly which scientists claim that sunspots are a factor in global warming/cooling, and what is the mechanism? What is the evidence for an 11 year warming/cooling cycle?

Better watch it Trip. Going against The Big O is gonna end up with you getting trashed by his media smear machine.

(07-08-2009 09:29 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Better watch it Trip. Going against The Big O is gonna end up with you getting trashed by his media smear machine.

Yeah I am waiting for Ron Reagan Jr. to bash into me from Air America any day now.

Boy did the best part of him and his insane sister run down the crack.

They have to be Adopted ....

.

(07-08-2009 11:08 PM)Tripster Wrote:  

(07-08-2009 09:29 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Better watch it Trip. Going against The Big O is gonna end up with you getting trashed by his media smear machine.

Yeah I am waiting for Ron Reagan Jr. to bash into me from Air America any day now.

Boy did the best part of him and his insane sister run down the crack.

They have to be Adopted ....

.

I don't think you have anything to worry about Trippy. You are not worth mentioning.

Speaking of weather and all...

I'm in the "Not Here" zone. Heh.

(07-08-2009 07:51 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(07-08-2009 10:00 AM)GGniner Wrote:  its about to get hot again though, Sun Spot activity has jump-started(this is the likely true cause of "global warming" and the recent "Global cooling")

Exactly which scientists claim that sunspots are a factor in global warming/cooling, and what is the mechanism? What is the evidence for an 11 year warming/cooling cycle?

I said likely, though pretty sure there are many scientist that agree on that point.

Here is a recent report from NASA on Sun Spot and Solar Flare activity

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/...inimum.htm


I think there's a pretty good chance the Gigantic Nuclear Reactor in the sky, which gives us the perfect amount of heat to sustain life and we know is not putting out a Static/Constant amount of Heat Temp. and is Dynamic like our Climate, is a factor that should be strongly considered.

(07-09-2009 01:54 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-08-2009 11:08 PM)Tripster Wrote:  

(07-08-2009 09:29 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Better watch it Trip. Going against The Big O is gonna end up with you getting trashed by his media smear machine.

Yeah I am waiting for Ron Reagan Jr. to bash into me from Air America any day now.

Boy did the best part of him and his insane sister run down the crack.

They have to be Adopted ....

.

I don't think you have anything to worry about Trippy. You are not worth mentioning.

Don't worry Robs, your Messiah is about to Push Legislation onto Congress that makes what you just Replied to me a CRIME.

That's right Boys & Girls, our Fearful Dick-tator is about to make it a High Dollar, '2' Year Sentence in a Federal Hotel Crime for us to use the 1st Amendment on this Forum.

Hasn't hardly put '6' Months into the job and he as already smushed the she'ite outta most of the Constitution and what's the BEST we can do in Retort - -> TEA PARTIES !!!!!

This MOFO is totally out of Control with an Out of Control LYING Liberal Congress who are about 99.9% insane, and we just lay it down for them.

What in the HELL happened to the America I knew 30 or 40 Years Ago ??? Where are those Citizens who had a Pair and SCREAMED IT OUT to the Idiots in Washington ???

I guess Fearful Dick-tator wanted to try for a record and go From '1' all the way thru the Amendments in Order, but since he found that a little to Obvious, he opted to drop back, punt each amendment away a little bit at the time.

Oh YEAH !!!! All the While sinking us into a Hole of Debt only God can BAIL US OUT OF with HIS BANK !!!!

You go Robs ... while we who oppose this crap are just letting it happen and while your kind desires it more than sex wants it to happen, our Great Nation is Failing and Falling to these Fools.

I know I am not worth mentioning to a fantastic Memorial to a Father that was probably in the Top '5' of the Greatest Presidents of our entire History like a Ron Reagan Jr., but you have to think what an Assaholla he is to piss on his Fathers Grave like he does and the Harsh way he does it. He is Aiding and Abetting the Enemy and Burning his Father in Verbal Effigy every day.

Oh yeah ... Congrats on another Insane Addition to your Liberal Congress, the Dishonorable Al 'fukkin' Franken.

If it is true that "Some Where in Kenya a Village in Missing an Idiot", then the Entire State of Minnesota Just Sent One to Congress.

We are Dropping the Ball here Probie and you Libs are happy as Virgins in a Whore House about it.

God help us all is all I can say .....

.

(07-09-2009 09:15 AM)GGniner Wrote:  

(07-08-2009 07:51 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(07-08-2009 10:00 AM)GGniner Wrote:  its about to get hot again though, Sun Spot activity has jump-started(this is the likely true cause of "global warming" and the recent "Global cooling")

Exactly which scientists claim that sunspots are a factor in global warming/cooling, and what is the mechanism? What is the evidence for an 11 year warming/cooling cycle?

I said likely, though pretty sure there are many scientist that agree on that point.

Here is a recent report from NASA on Sun Spot and Solar Flare activity

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/...inimum.htm


I think there's a pretty good chance the Gigantic Nuclear Reactor in the sky, which gives us the perfect amount of heat to sustain life and we know is not putting out a Static/Constant amount of Heat Temp. and is Dynamic like our Climate, is a factor that should be strongly considered.

That article mentions three phenomena which are largely distinct: Sunspots, Solar Winds, and Irradiance. To my knowledge, the number of scientists that suggest those phenomena are related to global warming are zero, one, and numerous (possibly universal), respectively.

My point in asking was that way too many people try to simplify the entire discussion without even getting the basic mechanisms right. The issue of solar luminosity has been widely considered and researched. When I looked into the issue a few years ago, the best indication was that luminosity may account for about 25% of global warming to date. Of course, to admit that the sun is a factor, one would have to admit that there is global warming, which itself is a bandwagon that everyone seems to jump on and off of on a weekly basis, depending more on political sentiments than any pretense of rationality.

(07-08-2009 11:08 PM)Tripster Wrote:  

(07-08-2009 09:29 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Better watch it Trip. Going against The Big O is gonna end up with you getting trashed by his media smear machine.

Yeah I am waiting for Ron Reagan Jr. to bash into me from Air America any day now.

Boy did the best part of him and his insane sister run down the crack.

They have to be Adopted ....

.

RR2 is a putz.....an embarrassment to his old man. You should be able to handle a wuss like that in your sleep.

(07-09-2009 11:05 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(07-09-2009 09:15 AM)GGniner Wrote:  

(07-08-2009 07:51 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(07-08-2009 10:00 AM)GGniner Wrote:  its about to get hot again though, Sun Spot activity has jump-started(this is the likely true cause of "global warming" and the recent "Global cooling")

Exactly which scientists claim that sunspots are a factor in global warming/cooling, and what is the mechanism? What is the evidence for an 11 year warming/cooling cycle?

I said likely, though pretty sure there are many scientist that agree on that point.

Here is a recent report from NASA on Sun Spot and Solar Flare activity

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/...inimum.htm


I think there's a pretty good chance the Gigantic Nuclear Reactor in the sky, which gives us the perfect amount of heat to sustain life and we know is not putting out a Static/Constant amount of Heat Temp. and is Dynamic like our Climate, is a factor that should be strongly considered.

That article mentions three phenomena which are largely distinct: Sunspots, Solar Winds, and Irradiance. To my knowledge, the number of scientists that suggest those phenomena are related to global warming are zero, one, and numerous (possibly universal), respectively.

My point in asking was that way too many people try to simplify the entire discussion without even getting the basic mechanisms right. The issue of solar luminosity has been widely considered and researched. When I looked into the issue a few years ago, the best indication was that luminosity may account for about 25% of global warming to date. Of course, to admit that the sun is a factor, one would have to admit that there is global warming, which itself is a bandwagon that everyone seems to jump on and off of on a weekly basis, depending more on political sentiments than any pretense of rationality.

Thank you. I've stated that on this board multiple times but it doesn't seem to sink in. Solar wind? Whatever. I've read plenty of books on astronomy and the sun in particular, as well as science magazines. Nowhere have I read that an actual scientist knowledgeable about these matters has said that the solar cycle causes the climate changes, or at least any more than a small fraction of it. I wish posters would stop making such simplistic remarks about it, especially when the linked article talked about effects on the power grid, and nothing about temperature. Totally different.

(07-09-2009 11:05 AM)I45owl Wrote:  Of course, to admit that the sun is a factor, one would have to admit that there is global warming,

One only has to admit fluctuations, both up and down. Everyone agrees with that, except those who believe that it's only going up, even when faced with the truth. And the people who like to play word games, you know, the "Climate Change" crowd. Again, everyone agrees there's climate change, big whoop-tee-do.

(07-08-2009 09:35 AM)Tripster Wrote:  .

Coldest Winter in the Bering Sea in over 30 Years.

Ice Pack was worse, Faster Moving, and Moved Farther than it has in around 60 Years.

I was just bumping around the TV channels and I caught this info on one of my Surfing Stops.

And who said these things ??? Al Gore, Sarah Palin, Barack Obama ????

NO !!!!

The "Captains of the Boats" on the TV Series "Deadliest Catch".

But since they rely on this Weather and they stay updated as to what it is doing and why, they really wouldn't have a clue would they ????

I mean in some cases they are just risking a Few Hundred Thousand Dollars in Equipment and if caught in a Heavy Ice Pack Flow, or just risking the lives of their Crew, Themselves, and their Million Dollar Boats.

What to they know right ????

A lot of Global Warming and Polar Bears Dying up there were there is No Cold and No Ice HUH ????

Yet we need Cap & Crap like Yesterday ... man this is just STUPID !!!!!

.

It's always good to come here and find that there ARE people beyond the Memphistigers.org (Political-Religious Forum) that think in the same way. Our Bubbapt is very good source of factual and illustrated information on this subject. It's a damn shame that the enlightened in Washington, DC are incapable of understanding what is happening. Even the EU is switching opinion on it!

A good place for good info. Take a look. http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=376467

Keep up the fight !!