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Quote:After his capture, Saddam Hussein told the FBI that he falsely allowed the world to believe Iraq had weapons of mass destruction because he feared revealing his weakness to Iran, the hostile neighbor he considered a bigger threat than the U.S.

Interesting, too, that he dismissed OBL as a "zealot."

The Middle East was, and probably is again, convinced the US was a paper tiger ready to fold. Its their worldview mainly on power and how its to be used.

that came out last year I beleive, it doesn't make a lot of sense when you realize he held to his supposed cards even after the invasion began. Did he really think we'd pull back and sign yet another cease fire treaty for him to sign and then repeatedly violate over and over and over, each time being another case to resume hostilities? If so, sad...Saddam isn't someone you can beleive everything he says, though many would like to.

Beyond that, though, didn’t Iran have enough of a below-radar presence even in Saddam-era police-state Iraq to know whether he had a WMD program or not? He was notorious for his nuclear aspirations and stated enemy of Iran. It was of urgent concern for them to know. they had to have some spies in the know in Iraq, Shitte most likely and others on the payroll.

then of course, reported in the NY Times in 2006 on discovered Iraqi documents: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/03/world/...ments.html

Quote:Among the dozens of documents in English were Iraqi reports written in the 1990s and in 2002 for United Nations inspectors in charge of making sure Iraq had abandoned its unconventional arms programs after the Persian Gulf war. Experts say that at the time, Mr. Hussein’s scientists were on the verge of building an atom bomb, as little as a year away.

were was that facility the Israelis blew up in Syria a year or so back?

(07-02-2009 09:31 AM)BGSUalum1987 Wrote:  [URL=http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/news_details/article/116/2009/july/02/fbi-notes-saddam-feared-iran-more-than-us-attack.html]

Quote:After his capture, Saddam Hussein told the FBI that he falsely allowed the world to believe Iraq had weapons of mass destruction because he feared revealing his weakness to Iran, the hostile neighbor he considered a bigger threat than the U.S.

Interesting, too, that he dismissed OBL as a "zealot."

I think we have known this since before out invasion of Iraq. THis is nothing new.

(07-02-2009 11:27 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 09:31 AM)BGSUalum1987 Wrote:  [URL=http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/news_details/article/116/2009/july/02/fbi-notes-saddam-feared-iran-more-than-us-attack.html]

Quote:After his capture, Saddam Hussein told the FBI that he falsely allowed the world to believe Iraq had weapons of mass destruction because he feared revealing his weakness to Iran, the hostile neighbor he considered a bigger threat than the U.S.

Interesting, too, that he dismissed OBL as a "zealot."

I think we have known this since before out invasion of Iraq. THis is nothing new.

How dare you!! You know damn well Saddam had WMDs buried all over Iraq. He was a direct threat to our national security!!

some of you should actually read the War Resolution congress voted on, for the actual list of reasons for removing Saddam, along with the referenced 1998 Regime Change In Iraq policy of Clintons and the UN sponsored Cease Fire Agreement Saddam Signed then proceeded to break, over and over and over for a Decade, each time being a case to resume hostilities.


but yeah, lets NOW believe a proven long term liar about his past lying he's now not lying about it! Cause it makes us feel all warm and fuzzy inside this time

(07-02-2009 12:04 PM)GGniner Wrote:  some of you should actually read the War Resolution congress voted on, for the actual list of reasons for removing Saddam, along with the referenced 1998 Regime Change In Iraq policy of Clintons and the UN sponsored Cease Fire Agreement Saddam Signed then proceeded to break, over and over and over for a Decade, each time being a case to resume hostilities.


but yeah, lets NOW believe a proven long term liar about his past lying he's now not lying about it! Cause it makes us feel all warm and fuzzy inside this time

All of that stuff...I had nothing to do with..Just a bunch of people meddling in the affairs of others.... The fact remains...We F'd up and now must somehow straighten the mess out....I feel for the families of the dead soldiers who were sent on this mission. I honor the dead...but....I despise those that sent them to their deaths.

(07-02-2009 12:16 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 12:04 PM)GGniner Wrote:  some of you should actually read the War Resolution congress voted on, for the actual list of reasons for removing Saddam, along with the referenced 1998 Regime Change In Iraq policy of Clintons and the UN sponsored Cease Fire Agreement Saddam Signed then proceeded to break, over and over and over for a Decade, each time being a case to resume hostilities.


but yeah, lets NOW believe a proven long term liar about his past lying he's now not lying about it! Cause it makes us feel all warm and fuzzy inside this time

All of that stuff...I had nothing to do with..Just a bunch of people meddling in the affairs of others.... The fact remains...We F'd up and now must somehow straighten the mess out....I feel for the families of the dead soldiers who were sent on this mission. I honor the dead...but....I despise those that sent them to their deaths.

This is pretty close to how I feel. And let's not forget all the Iraqi innocents who have died as well. It's criminal.

(07-02-2009 12:53 PM)Artifice Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 12:16 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 12:04 PM)GGniner Wrote:  some of you should actually read the War Resolution congress voted on, for the actual list of reasons for removing Saddam, along with the referenced 1998 Regime Change In Iraq policy of Clintons and the UN sponsored Cease Fire Agreement Saddam Signed then proceeded to break, over and over and over for a Decade, each time being a case to resume hostilities.


but yeah, lets NOW believe a proven long term liar about his past lying he's now not lying about it! Cause it makes us feel all warm and fuzzy inside this time

All of that stuff...I had nothing to do with..Just a bunch of people meddling in the affairs of others.... The fact remains...We F'd up and now must somehow straighten the mess out....I feel for the families of the dead soldiers who were sent on this mission. I honor the dead...but....I despise those that sent them to their deaths.

This is pretty close to how I feel. And let's not forget all the Iraqi innocents who have died as well. It's criminal.

Well..yes...but..The government has immunity for its crimes. There is always a rationality for killing others. I wonder how some of these people sleep at night.

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I have been a Soldier and have carried a weapon to work like most people carry their IPods for many many years.

There is a HUGE chasm between "Killing" and "Murder".

They are not even in the Same League with one another.

If you have a Problem with discerning between the two, then may I politely suggest you never raise a Weapon to Kill - it is just too much of a Burden to Bear.

On the other hand, if you know the difference between the two, then know that taking a life is never easy no matter the circumstances, yet there are times it must be done to save your self or save others from great harm or death.

These "Times" are getting more and more - - so one has to search his soul before he decides to pick up a Weapon to Kill with. The way things are going and as out of control as certain things are in this world, there may come a day when you will have to make that choice and it may come to you sooner than you would like to think it would.

"Killing" and "Murder" do not even reside on the same planet of Definition.

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(07-02-2009 11:27 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 09:31 AM)BGSUalum1987 Wrote:  [URL=http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/news_details/article/116/2009/july/02/fbi-notes-saddam-feared-iran-more-than-us-attack.html]

Quote:After his capture, Saddam Hussein told the FBI that he falsely allowed the world to believe Iraq had weapons of mass destruction because he feared revealing his weakness to Iran, the hostile neighbor he considered a bigger threat than the U.S.

Interesting, too, that he dismissed OBL as a "zealot."

I think we have known this since before out invasion of Iraq. THis is nothing new.

Maybe ... I guess I hadn't heard this from Saddam himself (or as close as I'll ever get to hearing it from him).

(07-02-2009 02:03 PM)Tripster Wrote:  .

I have been a Soldier and have carried a weapon to work like most people carry their IPods for many many years.

There is a HUGE chasm between "Killing" and "Murder".

They are not even in the Same League with one another.

If you have a Problem with discerning between the two, then may I politely suggest you never raise a Weapon to Kill - it is just too much of a Burden to Bear.

On the other hand, if you know the difference between the two, then know that taking a life is never easy no matter the circumstances, yet there are times it must be done to save your self or save others from great harm or death.

These "Times" are getting more and more - - so one has to search his soul before he decides to pick up a Weapon to Kill with. The way things are going and as out of control as certain things are in this world, there may come a day when you will have to make that choice and it may come to you sooner than you would like to think it would.

"Killing" and "Murder" do not even reside on the same planet of Definition.

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I agree...the two things are not the same and should not be conflated with each other. I know the difference.
I had no compulsion to become a soldier..for a lot of reasons, the main one being a dislike for authority and control. I was lucky to have missed Nam by less than a year. I often wondered what I would have done if I had been drafted. Its a question I can not answer truthfully..because I don't know.

(07-02-2009 12:53 PM)Artifice Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 12:16 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 12:04 PM)GGniner Wrote:  some of you should actually read the War Resolution congress voted on, for the actual list of reasons for removing Saddam, along with the referenced 1998 Regime Change In Iraq policy of Clintons and the UN sponsored Cease Fire Agreement Saddam Signed then proceeded to break, over and over and over for a Decade, each time being a case to resume hostilities.


but yeah, lets NOW believe a proven long term liar about his past lying he's now not lying about it! Cause it makes us feel all warm and fuzzy inside this time

All of that stuff...I had nothing to do with..Just a bunch of people meddling in the affairs of others.... The fact remains...We F'd up and now must somehow straighten the mess out....I feel for the families of the dead soldiers who were sent on this mission. I honor the dead...but....I despise those that sent them to their deaths.

This is pretty close to how I feel. And let's not forget all the Iraqi innocents who have died as well. It's criminal.

OK was in the convoy of tractor trailers that left Ballad Airbase and made a mad dash to the Syrian border during the first week of March, 2003?

(07-02-2009 03:46 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 12:53 PM)Artifice Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 12:16 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 12:04 PM)GGniner Wrote:  some of you should actually read the War Resolution congress voted on, for the actual list of reasons for removing Saddam, along with the referenced 1998 Regime Change In Iraq policy of Clintons and the UN sponsored Cease Fire Agreement Saddam Signed then proceeded to break, over and over and over for a Decade, each time being a case to resume hostilities.


but yeah, lets NOW believe a proven long term liar about his past lying he's now not lying about it! Cause it makes us feel all warm and fuzzy inside this time

All of that stuff...I had nothing to do with..Just a bunch of people meddling in the affairs of others.... The fact remains...We F'd up and now must somehow straighten the mess out....I feel for the families of the dead soldiers who were sent on this mission. I honor the dead...but....I despise those that sent them to their deaths.

This is pretty close to how I feel. And let's not forget all the Iraqi innocents who have died as well. It's criminal.

OK was in the convoy of tractor trailers that left Ballad Airbase and made a mad dash to the Syrian border during the first week of March, 2003?

??

(07-02-2009 03:59 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 03:46 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 12:53 PM)Artifice Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 12:16 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 12:04 PM)GGniner Wrote:  some of you should actually read the War Resolution congress voted on, for the actual list of reasons for removing Saddam, along with the referenced 1998 Regime Change In Iraq policy of Clintons and the UN sponsored Cease Fire Agreement Saddam Signed then proceeded to break, over and over and over for a Decade, each time being a case to resume hostilities.


but yeah, lets NOW believe a proven long term liar about his past lying he's now not lying about it! Cause it makes us feel all warm and fuzzy inside this time

All of that stuff...I had nothing to do with..Just a bunch of people meddling in the affairs of others.... The fact remains...We F'd up and now must somehow straighten the mess out....I feel for the families of the dead soldiers who were sent on this mission. I honor the dead...but....I despise those that sent them to their deaths.

This is pretty close to how I feel. And let's not forget all the Iraqi innocents who have died as well. It's criminal.

OK was in the convoy of tractor trailers that left Ballad Airbase and made a mad dash to the Syrian border during the first week of March, 2003?

??

As soon as we gave Saddam and his kids the Ultimatum to Leave Iraq, a convoy of trailers loaded up cargo at Ballad and at the Iraqi National Bank and hauled ass to the Syrian border. The US tracked them via satellite.

Well maybe then he should have feared the US more than Iran. A huge miscalculation I'm sure.