(07-02-2009 06:33 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  I'll say it to you face, wherever and whenever, in hell if needbe. I hide behind nothing.

Yes you do.

(07-02-2009 06:21 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  You are going to standby and watch Innocent people fight machine guns with rock and clubs. I do not know where you come up with this ideological BS. It sounds good on paper, but cannot work in reality. It's like an Architect or engineer can make anything look good on paper. Standing up for freedom and liberty is more than allowing it for yourself.

How well has your idea of rushing in wiping out the despots and handing a nifty shiny "free" government to the poor "innocent" people worked in reality?

(07-02-2009 06:38 PM)uhmump95 Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 06:21 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  You are going to standby and watch Innocent people fight machine guns with rock and clubs. I do not know where you come up with this ideological BS. It sounds good on paper, but cannot work in reality. It's like an Architect or engineer can make anything look good on paper. Standing up for freedom and liberty is more than allowing it for yourself.

How well has your idea of rushing in wiping out the despots and handing a nifty shiny "free" government to the poor "innocent" people worked in reality?

How dare you question the ideals of freedom!!!! You know damn well without the good ole USA the world would be full of despots,tyrants,poverty,hunger and a million other things!!! OH..Damn...It is.

(07-02-2009 06:38 PM)uhmump95 Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 06:21 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  You are going to standby and watch Innocent people fight machine guns with rock and clubs. I do not know where you come up with this ideological BS. It sounds good on paper, but cannot work in reality. It's like an Architect or engineer can make anything look good on paper. Standing up for freedom and liberty is more than allowing it for yourself.

How well has your idea of rushing in wiping out the despots and handing a nifty shiny "free" government to the poor "innocent" people worked in reality?

We have stood for freedom around the world. We are the only ones to give freedom to millions around the world. We have fought fascism, tyranny, dictators and despots around the world. It's the bleeding heart liberals @ssholes that don't let our military get the job done. If you point to our loses, you better acknowledge our successes.

I should not even have to repeat it except you must have forgotten.

(07-02-2009 06:38 PM)uhmump95 Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 06:21 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  You are going to standby and watch Innocent people fight machine guns with rock and clubs. I do not know where you come up with this ideological BS. It sounds good on paper, but cannot work in reality. It's like an Architect or engineer can make anything look good on paper. Standing up for freedom and liberty is more than allowing it for yourself.

How well has your idea of rushing in wiping out the despots and handing a nifty shiny "free" government to the poor "innocent" people worked in reality?

exactly who is promoting military intervention in Iran?

(07-02-2009 07:31 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 06:38 PM)uhmump95 Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 06:21 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  You are going to standby and watch Innocent people fight machine guns with rock and clubs. I do not know where you come up with this ideological BS. It sounds good on paper, but cannot work in reality. It's like an Architect or engineer can make anything look good on paper. Standing up for freedom and liberty is more than allowing it for yourself.

How well has your idea of rushing in wiping out the despots and handing a nifty shiny "free" government to the poor "innocent" people worked in reality?

We have stood for freedom around the world. We are the only ones to give freedom to millions around the world. We have fought fascism, tyranny, dictators and despots around the world. It's the bleeding heart liberals @ssholes that don't let our military get the job done. If you point to our loses, you better acknowledge our successes.

I should not even have to repeat it except you must have forgotten.

"We have stood for freedom around the world. We are the only ones to give freedom to millions around the world"...and yet the very many you debate had no freedom less than 50 years ago in your own country and many still struggle to find the American dream.

I always honor the individuals that have been sent into harms way on missions from those in power. I honor both their sacrifice and service...yet...I fail to see very many real cases that can be put forth that serve as examples of "giving freedom". Most of the time...they have been sent on missions to clean up the mistakes that were made by the policy makers. Usually these mistakes surrounded interventionist policies.

We seem to think as Americans that the world looks to us for the answers...We are so arrogant. We neglect our own people,our own security,our own freedoms...to seek a policy of "nation building" and "spreading of democracy". We fail to understand that our government is incompetent. It rarely manages to do ANYTHING successfully...Yet we somehow believe it can manage to "spread freedom and democracy around the world". The idea is almost preposterous on it's sheer logic alone.

One of the truest warriors ever to live was D.D. Eisenhower. His farewell address to the nation when he left office warned us of the dangers of the industrial military complex and its influence on policy. General Smedley Butler...2 time medal of honor winner also warned us against becoming addicted to militarism and that most of he duty was spent at defending US business interests and political boondoggles...His book..."War is a racket" is a great read for neocons.

I have been called a coward on this board because I relay some of the same feelings of these 2 great warriors....I doubt anyone would dare call either of them one.

(07-02-2009 08:02 PM)GGniner Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 06:38 PM)uhmump95 Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 06:21 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  You are going to standby and watch Innocent people fight machine guns with rock and clubs. I do not know where you come up with this ideological BS. It sounds good on paper, but cannot work in reality. It's like an Architect or engineer can make anything look good on paper. Standing up for freedom and liberty is more than allowing it for yourself.

How well has your idea of rushing in wiping out the despots and handing a nifty shiny "free" government to the poor "innocent" people worked in reality?

exactly who is promoting military intervention in Iran?

Um, Obama is basically called a wussy around here for not doing "anything". What the hell do you want him to do? Release a strongly worded letter? That only gets ridiculed on here by the right wingers. I mean seriously, what can he do that won't get torn to shreds by you guys?

(07-02-2009 10:10 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 08:02 PM)GGniner Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 06:38 PM)uhmump95 Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 06:21 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  You are going to standby and watch Innocent people fight machine guns with rock and clubs. I do not know where you come up with this ideological BS. It sounds good on paper, but cannot work in reality. It's like an Architect or engineer can make anything look good on paper. Standing up for freedom and liberty is more than allowing it for yourself.

How well has your idea of rushing in wiping out the despots and handing a nifty shiny "free" government to the poor "innocent" people worked in reality?

exactly who is promoting military intervention in Iran?

Um, Obama is basically called a wussy around here for not doing "anything". What the hell do you want him to do? Release a strongly worded letter? That only gets ridiculed on here by the right wingers. I mean seriously, what can he do that won't get torn to shreds by you guys?

Nothing...He could crap gold bricks to balance the budget, personally go over and kick Ackmadumnbunny square in his ass, fly in and capture Bin Ladin....and they would still find something to ***** about. I'm beginning to think they are just consumed with sour grapes for losing a damn popularity contest....Reminds me of damn bunch of girls after a beauty pagent....
I could care less about Obama or any other damn control freak politician...but..some damn rational debate and some admission that BOTH parties are crazy as hell and are EQUALLY to blame for the mess we are in as a nation ... would be a refreshing change. I do not expect that to happen....NOW....Let the personal attacks commence!!!

(07-02-2009 10:10 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 08:02 PM)GGniner Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 06:38 PM)uhmump95 Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 06:21 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  You are going to standby and watch Innocent people fight machine guns with rock and clubs. I do not know where you come up with this ideological BS. It sounds good on paper, but cannot work in reality. It's like an Architect or engineer can make anything look good on paper. Standing up for freedom and liberty is more than allowing it for yourself.

How well has your idea of rushing in wiping out the despots and handing a nifty shiny "free" government to the poor "innocent" people worked in reality?

exactly who is promoting military intervention in Iran?

Um, Obama is basically called a wussy around here for not doing "anything". What the hell do you want him to do? Release a strongly worded letter? That only gets ridiculed on here by the right wingers. I mean seriously, what can he do that won't get torn to shreds by you guys?

Nobody has ever advocated, at any stage in recent years, an American Military Overthrow of Iran. In fact, many so called 'neo-conservatives' have predicted for years the under 30 crowd in Iran(70% of population) who are naturally to some degree resistent to authority and hate the regime, would do exactly what has happened the last month.

What we want is forceful, Reagan/Bush/JFK/Truman type rhetoric and condemnation of the Mullah's and Dinnerjacket, not even support of Mousavi but in general support for HUMAN RIGHTS, including the most basic such as say Free Elections, the right to Life, Women's Rights, etc.

In addition to Liberty minded valued rhetoric, many of us would like some covert and overt ops with resistent movements, probably the pro-western Pavalia party. Right now they have Rocks, the Regime has Guns and control over Information. We also want some Radio Free Europe type of stuff going on.

It is quite possibly the most peaceful means of stopping/thwarting/seriously delaying the nutjob Mullah's from gaining Nukes



and don't forget, even though it helped out you libs politically, the Iranians are the major feeder of Weapons and IED's into Iraq that Killed American Soliders. Obama, with his inverted moral compass, wants to pander to them like Neville Chamberline or worse

So you want him to talk some hardcore smack, knowing full and well that the USA won't back that up militarily? Obama is already called a paper tiger by the right wingers. I'm thinking doing something like you suggest would only increase those claims.

What I would do is spell out in no uncertain terms, (Something Obama is not good at), that nuclear proliferation is a 2 way street and the US will hold accountable any nation that helps materially or financially either terrorists, NK or Iran attain Nuclear weapons or WDMs. That the US will in turn help our allies, Poland, Turkey, Japan protect themselves from any threat.

Next, I would make sure that our enemies know that the world is full aware of the actions that tyrants, dictators and despots take against their populations. That it will not be tolerated, that we will advance Human Rights, Freedom and Liberty around the world, agressivly. That in this age of instant communications, that we stand behind those people around the world who yearn for freedom. We will not retreat.

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No .... I want Obamagog to just keep doing what he is good at .... f'cking up the Nation financially.

Leave all the Wonk World Stuff to wither and die on the vine, it doesn't matter anyway. No one cares.

You idiots !!!!! A "Strongly Worded Letter" and "Talking Smack" to the Iranian Criminals would HAVE BEEN FOR THE PROTESTERS BENEFIT to let them know we are "With Ya Baby, Hang In There", not to try to scare the Criminal Government of Iran.

And some of you have the nerve to call MY Reading Comprehension Skills into Question ....

This was NEVER about Threatening Iran's Criminal Government, this was about being a Power Play to show the Protesters that SOMEONE CARED ABOUT THEM ....

Boy the Density on this issue is up there with the Molecular Structure of Lead.

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It what I said I would do. There is no chance that that NarcissisticMoFoHeHawJackAss in the whit Hse, will ever get a pair and stand up to these Despots.