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This is insanity. Kalifornia needs to secure itself from the wave of illegal immigration. So does Texas, Florida and Arizona. States need to start exercising their rights and start deporting by whatever means necessary.

Today, I had to give my biometric thumbprint to drop off $35.25 worth of scrap metal, so don't tell me there is no way to control these people here illegally.
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(07-02-2009 10:49 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  This is insanity. Kalifornia needs to secure itself from the wave of illegal immigration. So does Texas, Florida and Arizona. States need to start exercising their rights and start deporting by whatever means necessary.

Today, I had to give my biometric thumbprint to drop off $35.25 worth of scrap metal, so don't tell me there is no way to control these people here illegally.

You HAD to do that?...Damn...for what purpose?

Sum...Does it not make more sense to eliminate the reasons for travelers to come to the US instead of spending untold millions and millions of dollars trying to secure a border?....I'd submit that eliminating the welfare state would solve the problem and save us untold amounts of stolen wages wasted on governmental hand outs. A competitive free market charity system could handle easily those in "true" need of help.
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(07-02-2009 09:18 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(07-02-2009 07:00 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(07-02-2009 06:33 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
(07-02-2009 01:26 PM)Tripster Wrote:  
(07-02-2009 08:33 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Not to be annoying..but..It would not matter who was POTUS. This would happen anyway. This bailout would occur if RR was in office.

Yes...The tipping point is approaching.03-banghead

I am not so sure about that Fo.

Any President who has to try and pull this together will have to sit back long and hard and piece by piece reconstruct why this happened to California and make them CHANGE it before any money goes to them.

California CAN NOT KEEP Birthing Illegal's Babies for free at an astounding rate for Starters.

I know Obamagog will just hand them the money and let stupid financial business go on as usual, but Ronald Reagan would not have. I wouldn't do it and I don't believe most on this Board would either.

Why Reward the Foolish and Punish the Wise here ??? This won't FIX California's Problems, this will only put a Bandaid on a Decapitation.

But then that is what Obama does best, hire people to put their fingers in Dam Leaks .....

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Hold on...Hold on....Is it California's fault that they keep "birthing Illegal's Babies?" Who's responsibility is it to control the boarders into this Country?

I was speaking to a California Assemblyman in the not to distant past, and he was mentioning that the conservatives in the assembly were trying to request that the Federal Government pick up the tab for the health care of illegal aliens. He felt, and rightly so, that if the US was going to continue to allow illegals easy access to this Country then they should pick up the tab for these guys.


Now, all that being said, CA has way too many growing social programs that it just can't continue to sustain. California never reformed Welfare (as put in place during the Clinton era). In fact, CA's percent of welfare cases as compared to the total US welfare cases greatly out paces the population percentage in CA compared to the entire USA. Also, we have all kinds of state mandated funds not only replace the federal stuff (like FMLA) but increase the benefits....It's just stupid.

You are correct GB...It is not the states fault..It is the fault of the federal government and its "welfare state" that encourages travelers to come into the US for the free benefits.
Stop the welfare...stop the benefits...they will go home. Let private charity handle those in real need. They return 70% of their money to those in need. The welfare state returns 30% ....This is not rocket science.

While I agree that it's not the state's job to protect the borders, California is of the mentality that once you get here you're home free. We have sanctuary cities with police depts that are under orders not to report illegals to ICE. We have people accusing anyone of trying to enforce immigration laws as being racist. We have rallies where they fly the Mexican flag and hang the Stars and Stripes upside down and our leaders are not only NOT offended, the practically applaud it. Gooball LA mayor, Villaragossa, panders to illegals and it's even worse in San Fran.
All caused by the same government that runs the failed welfare state. Government caused this problem...What makes one think that anyone in the immigration services wants to solve the traveler problem?

"OH...YES..I want to close the borders and stop those brown people from flooding into the US..03-idea...OH....sh!t...what am I thinking?....I won't have a cushy govt. job and pension anymore": THIS is the reality of government and the way it expands....03-puke
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Quote:All caused by the same government that runs the failed welfare state. Government caused this problem...What makes one think that anyone in the immigration services wants to solve the traveler problem?

"OH...YES..I want to close the borders and stop those brown people from flooding into the US..03-idea...OH....sh!t...what am I thinking?....I won't have a cushy govt. job and pension anymore": THIS is the reality of government and the way it expands....03-puke


Winner winner chicken dinner!!!!

Same with welfare. Gee, if these people get a job... they won't need me anymore...lets make sure they do not want, or try to get a job so I will have my cushy job and pension.
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(07-02-2009 11:41 PM)TomorrowHerd Wrote:  
Quote:All caused by the same government that runs the failed welfare state. Government caused this problem...What makes one think that anyone in the immigration services wants to solve the traveler problem?

"OH...YES..I want to close the borders and stop those brown people from flooding into the US..03-idea...OH....sh!t...what am I thinking?....I won't have a cushy govt. job and pension anymore": THIS is the reality of government and the way it expands....03-puke


Winner winner chicken dinner!!!!

Same with welfare. Gee, if these people get a job... they won't need me anymore...lets make sure they do not want, or try to get a job so I will have my cushy job and pension.

Yep..Same with all government jobs. Government does not have to respond to market signals as does our "so called" free market. Government can either steal from the people or just print the money to fund its operations.

I would love to interject some free market signals into government....Here is my suggestion as to how to downsize government......03-idea

I'd simply start by giving every department head of every government agency the following directive.....You will receive a 25% bonus this year(tax free) by reducing the budget of your operation by 5%. This bonus will be ongoing for the duration of your tenure.

Can you imagine what would happen?03-lmfao04-cheers
07-03-2009 12:06 AM
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(07-02-2009 06:33 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Hold on...Hold on....Is it California's fault that they keep "birthing Illegal's Babies?" Who's responsibility is it to control the boarders into this Country?

I was speaking to a California Assemblyman in the not to distant past, and he was mentioning that the conservatives in the assembly were trying to request that the Federal Government pick up the tab for the health care of illegal aliens. He felt, and rightly so, that if the US was going to continue to allow illegals easy access to this Country then they should pick up the tab for these guys.


Now, all that being said, CA has way too many growing social programs that it just can't continue to sustain. California never reformed Welfare (as put in place during the Clinton era). In fact, CA's percent of welfare cases as compared to the total US welfare cases greatly out paces the population percentage in CA compared to the entire USA. Also, we have all kinds of state mandated funds not only replace the federal stuff (like FMLA) but increase the benefits....It's just stupid.

BULL SH'T !!!!!!!

The States have every Jot, Tittle, Knob, and Switch that Federal Government has to Protect Their Borders if they are a Border State.

You can't play that on me.

Arnie didn't try to stop it or slow it down even - - he was too busy catering to Special Interest Protesters and making sure "Street Police" have no Legal Authority or Jurisdiction when it comes to Illegal Aliens. He didn't want the Hispanic Vote going South on him (pardon the pun).

And the Governor of ANY STATE has Authority to call out the National Guard or the States Militia to Constitutionally Protect that State when and where needed.

Sure GW was a pure panzy when it came to Securing the Borders, but that NEVER STOPPED the States from Enacting Their Self Governing Rights to LEGALLY Protect Them Selves regarding this issue.

California is the El Paso baby, not Texas, not New Mexico, not Arizona, and not Nevada .... California was begging for Illegals to come in and taking powers away from their Street Police to do anything but make Standard Arrest on Regular Crimes these Illegals Committed and striped them of any powers concerning Illegal Immigration Status.

And ask your Assemblyman Friend what the California Constitution Says about such matters before you accept his word on just who can do what in these situations.

Why does California have wave upon wave of Illegals piling in - - maybe because of Arnie's love for Illegal Immigration ????

ARNIE LOVES ILLEGALS http://www.contracostatimes.com/opinion/ci_12561480

AHHHHHH .... what does it matter, California is Bankrupt and Obamagog is gonna OWN AN ENTIRE STATE NOW ..... this is a Clive Barker or Tim Burton Horror that just never ends.

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07-03-2009 07:44 AM
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(07-03-2009 07:44 AM)Tripster Wrote:  
(07-02-2009 06:33 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Hold on...Hold on....Is it California's fault that they keep "birthing Illegal's Babies?" Who's responsibility is it to control the boarders into this Country?

I was speaking to a California Assemblyman in the not to distant past, and he was mentioning that the conservatives in the assembly were trying to request that the Federal Government pick up the tab for the health care of illegal aliens. He felt, and rightly so, that if the US was going to continue to allow illegals easy access to this Country then they should pick up the tab for these guys.


Now, all that being said, CA has way too many growing social programs that it just can't continue to sustain. California never reformed Welfare (as put in place during the Clinton era). In fact, CA's percent of welfare cases as compared to the total US welfare cases greatly out paces the population percentage in CA compared to the entire USA. Also, we have all kinds of state mandated funds not only replace the federal stuff (like FMLA) but increase the benefits....It's just stupid.

BULL SH'T !!!!!!!

The States have every Jot, Tittle, Knob, and Switch that Federal Government has to Protect Their Borders if they are a Border State.

You can't play that on me.

Arnie didn't try to stop it or slow it down even - - he was too busy catering to Special Interest Protesters and making sure "Street Police" have no Legal Authority or Jurisdiction when it comes to Illegal Aliens. He didn't want the Hispanic Vote going South on him (pardon the pun).

And the Governor of ANY STATE has Authority to call out the National Guard or the States Militia to Constitutionally Protect that State when and where needed.

Sure GW was a pure panzy when it came to Securing the Borders, but that NEVER STOPPED the States from Enacting Their Self Governing Rights to LEGALLY Protect Them Selves regarding this issue.

California is the El Paso baby, not Texas, not New Mexico, not Arizona, and not Nevada .... California was begging for Illegals to come in and taking powers away from their Street Police to do anything but make Standard Arrest on Regular Crimes these Illegals Committed and striped them of any powers concerning Illegal Immigration Status.

And ask your Assemblyman Friend what the California Constitution Says about such matters before you accept his word on just who can do what in these situations.

Why does California have wave upon wave of Illegals piling in - - maybe because of Arnie's love for Illegal Immigration ????

ARNIE LOVES ILLEGALS http://www.contracostatimes.com/opinion/ci_12561480

AHHHHHH .... what does it matter, California is Bankrupt and Obamagog is gonna OWN AN ENTIRE STATE NOW ..... this is a Clive Barker or Tim Burton Horror that just never ends.

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You are probably correct...AS could put the NG on the border I suppose.

Don't you think that the welfare state is root cause of this problem...I can remember year after year migrant workers coming in to crop tobacco and pick cucumbers and blueberries in my area. They used to work...move on to other harvests and then when it was over and they had saved enough money...they went back home. All of a sudden the do-gooders in Washington started giving them benefits....There is now NO reason to go back home. We have essentially given them market signals and they are responding to those signals. The govt. has given them an incentive to just stay here in the US. I submit that removing those benefits would force many of them to head back across the border as they did for centuries.
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RE: No California threads?
(07-03-2009 07:44 AM)Tripster Wrote:  
(07-02-2009 06:33 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Hold on...Hold on....Is it California's fault that they keep "birthing Illegal's Babies?" Who's responsibility is it to control the boarders into this Country?

I was speaking to a California Assemblyman in the not to distant past, and he was mentioning that the conservatives in the assembly were trying to request that the Federal Government pick up the tab for the health care of illegal aliens. He felt, and rightly so, that if the US was going to continue to allow illegals easy access to this Country then they should pick up the tab for these guys.


Now, all that being said, CA has way too many growing social programs that it just can't continue to sustain. California never reformed Welfare (as put in place during the Clinton era). In fact, CA's percent of welfare cases as compared to the total US welfare cases greatly out paces the population percentage in CA compared to the entire USA. Also, we have all kinds of state mandated funds not only replace the federal stuff (like FMLA) but increase the benefits....It's just stupid.

BULL SH'T !!!!!!!

The States have every Jot, Tittle, Knob, and Switch that Federal Government has to Protect Their Borders if they are a Border State.

You can't play that on me.

Arnie didn't try to stop it or slow it down even - - he was too busy catering to Special Interest Protesters and making sure "Street Police" have no Legal Authority or Jurisdiction when it comes to Illegal Aliens. He didn't want the Hispanic Vote going South on him (pardon the pun).

And the Governor of ANY STATE has Authority to call out the National Guard or the States Militia to Constitutionally Protect that State when and where needed.

Sure GW was a pure panzy when it came to Securing the Borders, but that NEVER STOPPED the States from Enacting Their Self Governing Rights to LEGALLY Protect Them Selves regarding this issue.

California is the El Paso baby, not Texas, not New Mexico, not Arizona, and not Nevada .... California was begging for Illegals to come in and taking powers away from their Street Police to do anything but make Standard Arrest on Regular Crimes these Illegals Committed and striped them of any powers concerning Illegal Immigration Status.

And ask your Assemblyman Friend what the California Constitution Says about such matters before you accept his word on just who can do what in these situations.

Why does California have wave upon wave of Illegals piling in - - maybe because of Arnie's love for Illegal Immigration ????

ARNIE LOVES ILLEGALS http://www.contracostatimes.com/opinion/ci_12561480

AHHHHHH .... what does it matter, California is Bankrupt and Obamagog is gonna OWN AN ENTIRE STATE NOW ..... this is a Clive Barker or Tim Burton Horror that just never ends.

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WHY THEFUCK IS IT THAT CLARITY LIKE TRIP'S CANNOT RULE THE DAY!!!! What happened to the best and the brightest becoming patriots of the day, instead of become the EvilCocksucking greedy scumbag people WE have elected as our leaders, over and over, lead us around mindlessly by our testicles&tits. CLARITY like that is hard to come by. From the heart.
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(07-03-2009 08:39 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Don't you think that the welfare state is root cause of this problem...

And what caused the Welfare state? Liberals = root cause.
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